Adam Lambert and Clay Aiken Mention in Eminem’s Elevator
A new song from Eminem’s “Relapse: Refill” has hit the web, and it contains references to both Adam Lambert and Clay Aiken.
The song is another chapter in the life of Eminem’s character “Slim Shady” now that he’s famous.
Adam found out about the mention and he tweeted:
@adamlambert: Wow eminem mentioned me in a song?! I must be doin something right!? Even if he used the f word…. Whtev
Yeah, he uses F*****t, a million F bombs, references to female genitalia and more. I’ve got the song posted below if you’re curious.
I like some of Eminem’s stuff, but I’m not a big fan of the Slim Shady character. The Idol reference comes at about 1:40
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TFLS – you said earlier
“I do think Adam played it off with the right nonchalance. And Em’s not the only artist likely to piggyback the whole Glambert phenomena. The higher Adam rises, the more attractive his coattails will look. Em’s just one of what will likely be many looking for a mention here and there; publicity being what it is.”
You’re kidding me right? Adam is still wearing a onesie. He has no coattails. The sooner he (and some of his fans) realizes it, the better off it will be.
LOL
Em is behind the times. He needs to start mentioning SuBo. She DID beat his ass for debut albums. I expect him to rap about cats in his next song.
@lorismile,……………..uhhuh….Smile!!!!
Well I really like Subo,Andrea B, Eminem and Adam. I must not be a legit
person???
E grew up in S*** and it still clings to him like a smelly cloak and he still lives
partially in and out of it. He is a very creative and fab rapper poet. Way back in the day on some of his early stuff he was more explicit re “homosexuals,”…..My People! I loved his movie, and felt I got a sense of him, and I just hope he will continue to evolve, if not in this life,then in the next.
adam’s tweet hit the right note with me, and I don’t feel like a Hypocrite at
all.
For me it’s sad to read people, practically, yelling at each other in print .
Mj has to know she was putting the cats among the pigeons with this one!!! Very entertaining read!!!!
Yes ITA, just like when Adam is playing a dominatrix character for FYE performance while in RL he’s really not into the S&M kinda things…
I don’t see how Adam correcting his earlier statement shows hypocrisy but ok…… He didn’t say anything about banning Eminem. I don’t get your comment but ok. lol
She might be on another song. She is prime meat for him.
Yup. Eminem lives for controversy.
Adam needs to learn to ignore stuff like this and just not comment on it.
” I don’t think anyone can deny his talent. ”
LOL I can. I think he’s a talentless disgusting pig of a man.
Albeit a shell who’s going to sell a lot more records than Adam.
I love Eminem. He’s definitely not for anyone but as someone else said, you can’t deny his lyrical talent. (Or I guess you can if you want to, but it leaves you without much credibility in my eyes.) Some of his observations are so sharp, and I admire his wordplay and the way he often rhymes with the middle of words rather than the end. And I admire ideas like this one, where he makes you think he’s insulting them one way (with the gay thing) but his true insult is much truer and therefore more hurtful (that they’re wannabes).
He’s a clever guy.
Fake it’s sure sounds like faggots to me and a lot of people won’t bother to look at the lyrics. It’s Eminem’s intention for the word to sound like faggots. If that’s clever to you well it’s not to those who were insulted.
As far as Eminem acting like a character Slim Shady. I don’t buy it. My husband has been a longtime listener of Eminem and he thinks Eminem is homophobic.
I’ll definitely grant you the clever thing. I have liked a lot of his stuff, too.
But suppose Eminem (or I) wrote something like this:
Hey, I got nothing against Ruben, Queen Latifah, Jordin Sparks, or even Mandisa.
But I sure do find that when I rap about ‘em I can trigger
A lotta backlash, lotta trash talk from their peeps and their
fan-disas
When I ain’t doing nothin’ but callin’ ‘em exactly what they are — Bigger!
… if Eminem (or I) had time and the inclination, he might be able to craft that into something “clever,” too …. And I get the principle: Hey! You think it’s going to be one insult but then it morphs into an even better insult!
And while I think you can write great, incisive stuff based on that general poetic scheme, I suspect quite a lot of people would think that playing with the N-word like that probably isn’t the most responsible thing for a white guy to be doing in this era when we have a more racially just society than we used to, but hardly a fully racially just one. And when there are still lots of people out there just waiting for an extra excuse to put black people down.
Similarly, I don’t know that it’s really all that responsible for a straight guy with a big following to make the “faggot/fake-it” joke, which *will* play into some fans’ homophobia, and potentially encourage them to look down and pick on gay guys even more. Seems to me that that could just be considered using your lucky position in society — as a straight guy — to use other people’s much less privileged position (which they did not *choose* — and if you doubt that, see Aiken, Clay) to further put them down, in a time when they clearly are greatly discriminated against (for evidence, see the New York State legislators’ anti-gay marriage vote just this week.)
I do strongly defend Eminem’s *right* to say this stuff, by the way. We have, and require, freedom of speech. Artistic license, freedom of political speech (and I would say that this lyric qualifies as both) are cornerstones of out civilization and vital and all that. Absolutely. But I’m not impressed with it, I think it probably is a contribution to further discrimination against gay people, and it makes me completely sure that Eminem is kind of a juvenile homophobe. In other words — I can fully believe he has a right to say it. But that doesn’t mean I respect his putting this one out there to draw public laughter.
(And, last time I looked, Lance Bass had sold quite a few records, too — so what puts him into the same category as Clay and Adam, *except* his sexuality?)
Well now we know Adam is big.
Remembert back them when Emimen in his songs attacked Britney, Christina Aguilera jejej a now Adam
This have been Eminen strategy for years.. So I’m not surprise at all.
(And, last time I looked, Lance Bass had sold quite a few records, too Ԡso what puts him into the same category as Clay and Adam, *except* his sexuality?)
Exactly. Good point.
I have yet to figure out why anybody buys Eminem’s “music” or pays even the slightest attention to him. But there’s no accounting for taste ‘†or the lack of it.
Reminder:
A couple of you are going into moderation. Guess who.
I do not care for Rap, except for one song, Sugar Hill Gang’s ‘Rapper’s Delight’. I just read the lyrics to his song and it is complete trash. He also mentions Amy Winehouse. Whomever commented that he is “a clever guy” is a unclever guy or gal.
I don’t know. He may be too threatened by Susan. Something tells me they all are!
“Dominatrix” referes to a female, doesn’t it? Wouldn’t “master” or “dom” be the male equivalent?
I do not like Rap…I don’t get someone ‘talking’ instead of singing’ a song. And I find alot of the lyrics trash. And Eminem just seems like I guy looking for attention. Just my opinion.
I like Eminem, looooved him in 8 mile
he’s always been like that
I looove Adam, but I’m not going to stop liking Eminem because that’s what he has been always doing – attacking other people, that’s his style
that’s why Adam just laughed at it, hey Eminem is just Eminem
Of course not! Liking all three makes you a martian, clearly. Because martians have the most varied musical taste ever.
As to the rap… *shrug*. I’ve never got what is so truly “clever” about playground-style disses, and I still don’t, and I don’t take it to mean much more for Adam than it is (which essentially equates to having been visible, as obvious).
Alot of good points being made and I don’t think they are all mutually exclusive, which is why the whole topic of freedom of speech/artistic expression is so complex.
You can be sickened by the use of the word f****t
-while still supporting freedom of expression, while still thinking that some freedom of expression is REALLY irresponsible and hurtful, like perpetuating the idea that homosexual slurs are socially acceptable
-while recognizing that the persona of the more harsh Slim Shady is not necessarily Marshall Mathers/Eminem in the same way that S&;M Den “bear paws raawrr” Mr. Lambert is not the sweet, humble, off stage Adam (and understanding that perhaps some people saw Adam’s sexually charged persona as irresponsible, even though it’s very upsetting that people seem to more offended by sex than violence/hate)
-while still being angered by the double standard that Eminem gets more license and social acceptance to express himself and do his thing than Adam will probably ever get.
I think that’s true. And it has always been his style and always will be, no doubt.
But my reservation about Eminem and a lot of other people is that, for me, attacking the power*ful* is impressive, not taking cheap shots at those with less power than you…..
Sixth-grade bullies take cheap shots at people weaker themselves on the basis of gayness.
If a wealthy adult wants to do it, he can go right ahead. But I don’t think it reveals any startling, incisive point about society that others have missed (especially when you stick Lance in there, so you’ve lost any point you might have been making about reality-show flash-in-the-pan fame) or shows what a strong, powerful guy he is (and showing that he’s a big strong man and also way insightful seem to me to be what Eminem is usually looking to prove.)
That said, it’s two lines in a kind of meh lyric anyway.
Spewing hatred under the guise that it’s an alter-ego is the cowards way of telling the world what you really think. Eminem IS Slim Shady. The only thing clever about what he does is that he’s made millions by convincing people that his homophobic, mysogonynistic alter-ego is cool to listen to and like.
I still think it’s hilarious that one of Eminem’s most famous feuds was with….Moby. Aint nobody listen to techno. Not sure what I think abut the Adam and Clay thing yet. Anyway, I don’t think people are actually supposed to like the Slim Shady character. Sometimes he’s brilliant. Sometimes he takes it too far just to take it too far.
I’ve always dug it. It’s like the modern version of beat poetry when it’s done well. For you for me, I’d rather listen to a talented rapper freestyle than a talented singer who lays down three minutes of runs in between like two lines of actual lyrics. That usually bores me.
And you’re on an Idol site? I’m suitably impressed with your stamina!
Except the trigger word would have to sound just like the word n—-r. Yes, people would be upset.
But I’m not impressed with it, I think it probably is a contribution to further discrimination against gay people, and it makes me completely sure that Eminem is kind of a juvenile homophobe.
ITA!
Sums it up perfectly, I’d say!
While it may be true that Slim Shady is a character like Lady GaGa or Adam’s S&M bravado, he is a very dangerous and unhealthy one.
Unlike Lady GaGa or Adam, Slim Shady is actually degrading people. His music is used as an anthem by hordes of ignorant masses who see it as all too real. I’ve seen skin heads and other white racist groups blast his songs from their car stereos. In my opinion, brilliant as he may be, he belongs in the same category as all the other gansta rap artists who perpetuate hate, misunderstanding and quite possibly, violence.
I think he is smart and talented, but he uses both for his own gain at the expense of society.
LOL, Mark. Crazy, right? I mostly blame David Cook, the writer’s strike, and fascination with knollish reality show machinations. Actually, I love music in general. Oversinging not so much.
I don’t think Eminem is dangerous or unhealthy to society, really. Sometimes he becomes a parody of himself and that’s lame, but the best of his work is kinda like the rap equivalent of Artaud’s theater of cruelty. Sometimes words and art in general can act as this disturbing ripping away of society’s polite illusions to confront an unpleasant truth.
I know. I actually happen to agree with you on all points. But it is a rather… amusing note, isn’t it?
Eminem probably just thinks anyone who use American Idol to make it is a fake it and is homophobic and a woman hater. It’s too early too tell if Clay or Adam although highly unlikely might outsell him yet. Adam needs to focus on the music instead of all the bashings he’s been getting of late. It has to be pretty hard to deal with the overnight fame that the idols have to deal with.
How many times do we have to hear about his mother, his daughter, his ex and Dre before people STOP calling Eminem a “genius.” It is the same shit over and over again for the last 10 years.
Hate mongering is not okay in any medium. Just like we shouldn’t tolerate the use of words like “retard” and the N word…we just shouldn’t support the usage of Fa**ot. Oh…I’m sorry…I mean Fake-it. I think he should be ABLE to do it…but I don’t think that producers, radio companies, studios, fans or anyone else should offer it any support. If he wants to stand on a milk crate outside of Walmart and go nuts thats fine. I’m a Target shopper anyway.
Eminem is a piece of crap who does nothing but bash people in his music. He thinks he’s this big bad ass which I think is hilarious. Can’t stand him or his stupid music.
Yep. At times, certainly.
But when his “unpleasant truth” is that “these three guys are gay and I think they’re all big failures and phonies, haha!” (and one of the guys is Lance Bass who has been, like, a pretty hot music seller and only two of the three are potentially “fake” stars because they come from reality tv), then I think that what he’s actually doing is more like pointing to a “pleasant untruth” that plays well with the particular bigotry of at least some members of his hoped-for audience. …
Rather than uncovering “society’s polite illusions” and fighting the entrenched power thereby — which is what edgy art is expected to do — he’s actually just bolstering and pandering to the entrenched homophobic illusion that actually is dominant in our society.
Now, I’m sure that there are people who will say that what he’s bashing is “political correctness” or something.
But all he’s really doing is putting three guys down because, hey, they’re gay, and thus despisable, while he and his fans are not.
LOL!! I love this!
Oh heck. Eminem is just being Slim Shady. He IS offensive. That’s his gig. When my son went through his rap stage and was idolizing Eminem, I didn’t forbid him to buy his CDs because that’s just not the way my husband and I roll as parents. We’re more into the “don’t make it forbidden fruit, but discuss with him why we find something offensive or why others might find something offensive.” We ended up having a lot of interesting discussions about Eminem.
Truthiness
12/04/2009 at 2:42 am
Where and when did Adam Lambert drone on and on about banning of Eminem? Are you referring to his comment that he supports his right to his schtick on um….Ellen I think it was? Link?
And can you spell out the hypocrisy specifically?
I freakin love Eminem — although he hasn’t been the same since The Marshall Mathers LP…my all-time favorite album EVER.
This song….it’s alright. Reminds me of the other debut, pop culture tracks from his previous albums (like “The Real Slim Shady,” Without Me,” “Just Lose It,” and “We Made You”).
I haven’t read this whole thread – and I didn’t listen to the whole Eminem rap. As soon as I heard him “rapping” about shaking a baby – I shut that shit off, artistic license my ass! What an asshole.
^^ I don’t know who wrote that. Does the sentiment apply to Adam Lambert’s AMA performance?
ive often thought most of Em’s critical acclaim comes from the fact that he’s white. shocking, right? white man performs usually what is a black man’s music, and gets treated like the second coming of Christ in the entertainment world. shades of Elvis. most of the credit should be given to Dre for being an great producer. and although I do like some of Em’s songs, i think he tries so hard to be “cool and different” that he comes across as a parody of himself. too bad, bc the real Em seems to be a decent guy…..he tried to have Taylor Swift come out to re-do her speech during his acceptance but show producers thought Beyonce’s invite was more appropriate.
btw, i take 50, Nas(!!), JayZ, DMX and Tupac (!!!!!!) anyday over Em.
Trash is as trash does.
Are people actually with a straight face claiming he said “fake”. And that there are possibly two versions?
LMFAO. He’s saying fake-its as in fag-its.
[As in If You Seek Amy]
People will go to any length to be disingenuous or suspend disbelief.
Eminem was fresh and amusing 10 years ago but I see he’s still doing the same schtick as at least one other mentioned. He’s tired and washed up. Can’t he do any better than this? It’s pitiful. Even more so that until SuBo it was the top selling album of the year. Wow, what does *that* say about the taste level 600,000 music buyers have?
I didn’t hear Aiken mentioned, just L*mb*rt and Lance Bass.
Unlike a few, I don’t object to the term faggot (at least one gay friend greets us with “fags” in fact). I find many gays don’t feel passionately about it and only the chest thumpers are on par with blacks going on about the N-word when used by non-blacks. I prefer “queer” or even “fag” to “gay” because, to many and several friends, “gay” denotes a particular mind-set and culture to in which we don’t feel welcome nor a part.
What does irritate me is a double-standard. I was the lone non-black helping a grandmother move her and her 5 grandkids. Her sons were all “nigga,” “nigga,” “nigga” with each other, even talking about who the “overseer” would be–a clear reference to slavery.
If it’d been up to me they’d have been smacked upside the head. They didn’t do it when she was in earshot so they knew it wasn’t appropriate. Part of me has always wondered if they over used it because I was there.
Generalize much?
If you had heard all of Eminem’s music instead of the few so-called ’shocking’ tracks, you might feel differently. Some of his songs have positive messages, some are very moving, some are crass. Then again, I’m probably just an ignorant mass
As for him having it easier than Adam – anyone saying that just doesn’t know Em’s history with the FCC and the media. We’re all entitled to our own opinion but not our own facts.