He has a band. No doubt the tiny amount od success this song brings him this year will make him diva-out on his band AGAIN. He’ll decide it is all about him, and they are riding his coattails. He’ll get a couple of gigs, act like an ass, diva-out on the promoter, and shoot himself in the face again.

He has talked about having o re-learn the msic business, and promoters not returning his calls when he went solo, etc etc…. It is actually because he sucks solo, he is a total ass to work with, he has absolutely no draw for an audience, and pretty much everyone he has ever worked for hates him. He doesn’t understand that when he bailed his first band and went solo, they weren’t getting booked because of HIM. Solo, the promoters didn’t know it was THAT guy. Then he had to start another band to disguise NOT THAT GUY AGAIN reality.

Total Ass. Total Backstabber. Total POS.

The failure of ‘Want’  means that Adam Lambert’s name alone won’t sell crappy songs. Which has been true of every other person who was ever on the show as far as I can remember. Although, I thought Adam had enough buzz so that wouldn’t be true.

Neither Adam or Kris is breaking any records in selling the S8 music. But I still think Kris has the bigger upside potential in actually moving the units in the USA.

What I find puzzling is why “Want” was a failure. A real fan would be out there buying anything they could pre-Idol disregarding Adam’s personal request to his fans not to support it. He would have gotten royalties from those pre-idol songs wouldn’t he? Did Adam just find his “style” during A.I. and told people that those pre-Idol stuff isn’t the kind of music he’s doing anymore?

I am a David Cook fan and I went out and bought his Analog Heart before it was pulled & anything else I could buy from Axium & NWK because I couldn’t get enough of him. You should have seen what his stuff was selling on e-Bay too. Listening to Cook’s earlier stuff I found he stayed true to himself & his style is quite obvious pre & post A.I. Sure his debut album no doubt had to conform to the label’s vision of what they wanted him to put out, but needless to say the “style” was still there. In some cases, some of his pre-Idol stuff was even better. However, I am still playing all of his music and haven’t tired of any of them yet. That’s a first for me.

As far as “crappy” song versus the name goes…. This is true. I was a Blake Lewis fan and eagerly awaited his debut. After I heard his single, I didn’t download the album, didn’t buy the CD and only downloaded one song I liked off the album (a big .99 cent sale) even though I voted my fingers off for him and went to an Idol Tour concert & paid double the asking price just to get good seats.

It is a fact that neither Kris or Adam broke any records from their AI8 season. I have a good sense of who Kris is and the kind of sound & music he’ll put out just based on his performances. I also bet that the stuff he did prior to A.I. didn’t change from what kind of an artist he showed us during the competition. I think he appeals to a broader audience & is radio friendly. I do not have any idea of what Adam’s album will be like and I doubt it will be anything like what he did on A.I. I don’t like that. I want to know what kind of an artist someone is right from the get go based on pre-idol music & what they actually did during the competition. I would go out on the limb to say that I think Kris will do better in the U.S. while Adam will do better outside the U.S. So both will do fine.

Well if this proves Adam can’t sell Sony is really wasting money. They should pour everything into Kris pronto.

“This” proves nothing.

There was no external demand by any of the fans, by Adam’s label, etc. So why would any of the DJs spin this? It was a crappy recording, Adam may have sounded great, but overall, the quailty was lacking.

I think I will wait until Adam actually comes out with his first “real” album before I pronounce him or his record DOA.

Well, there was more promotion thrown at ‘Want’ than most Idol singles get. That series of press releases generated a sizable amount of media coverage (I know my local radio DJs picked-up on the ‘news,’  and if Seacrest and Perez are talking about it then people are hearing about it). And it got a radio push that many Idols and their fans would kill for, including an official adds date on CHR and HAC and a sizable ad on the login page to AllAccess. The result was a grand total of 20 spins, including one this week and one last week. A sales boycott by even the most ‘highly organized and informed fanbase’  in the world could not stop radio from picking the song up if they wanted to. But they clearly didn’t.

It just underscores the importance of producing material that people outside the Idol fanbase want to hear. There are a million of factors that influence that too – quality, timing, promo, luck. The fans may feel all-powerful now, but come November even the biggest, buzziest name in the Idolverse won’t move units or pick-up spins unless there is some external demand for the product.

Well if this proves Adam can’t sell Sony is really wasting money. They should pour everything into Kris pronto.

The failure of ‘Want’  means that Adam Lambert’s name alone won’t sell crappy songs.

Outside of obsessed American Idol fans like us, no one even knows Want exists. There was no marketing or promotion for it. People can’t buy something if they don’t know its there to buy’ ¦.

Well, there was more promotion thrown at ‘Want’ than most Idol singles get. That series of press releases generated a sizable amount of media coverage (I know my local radio DJs picked-up on the “news,” and if Seacrest and Perez are talking about it then people are hearing about it). And it got a radio push that many Idols and their fans would kill for, including an official adds date on CHR and HAC and a sizable ad on the login page to AllAccess. The result was a grand total of 20 spins, including one this week and one last week. A sales boycott by even the most “highly organized and informed fanbase” in the world could not stop radio from picking the song up if they wanted to. But they clearly didn’t.

It just underscores the importance of producing material that people outside the Idol fanbase want to hear. There are a million of factors that influence that too – quality, timing, promo, luck. The fans may feel all-powerful now, but come November even the biggest, buzziest name in the Idolverse won’t move units or pick-up spins unless there is some external demand for the product.

Sure, the tweet about working on the “tune with Adam Lambert” is a tad ambiguous, but I’d give anyone a pass for that. Communicating in brief snippets like that will make it unlikely that you’ll always dot all the “i”’s and cross all the “t”’s. I doubt the intention was to deliberately mislead.

If what he’s said is true, then this is a track into which Adam had proper creative input, not a demo where he was simply paid to show up and sing exactly as he was told. That makes a difference to me.

Adam was clearly unhappy with the Hi-Fi situation (and having heard “Want” I’m not surprised!) but until I hear him denounce this I’m not going to assume anything. I’m certainly not joining in any witch hunts.

If it’s a good track I hope it sees the light of day. If it’s bad…well, I doubt it will go anywhere anyway.

If he’s okay with this one then I’d consider buying it. If not, I probably won’t buy it.

Went and picked up a quote from his blog:

PS. Stay tuned on the song. Right now I don’t know exactly how it’s going to play out as far as a release date’ ¦ but I assure you I have the right people on my side to work things out. ☠º

No real details given.

Adam will be the one who ends up suffering if his reputation is destroyed amongst his friends.

Stormy
Jul 9th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
What exactly has this guy done to make people angry other than have a past musical association with Adam?

What has he done? He’s lied: ‘In the studio today with Adam Lambert ‘ ¦’  He knew exactly how that phrase would be interpreted.

I’m so done with this.

Me too.

Except you have completely mis-quoted him, that is not at all what he said, the twitter message was:

‘Spent most of the day working on the new tune with Adam Lambert’ ¦ This song is massive.’ 

Just looking at the second half of the first sentence , “on the new tune with Adam Lambert”, could easily mean he was working on the song they recorded together. This does not necessarily mean Adam was actually present. Without further info, you cannot call this a lie. Please see my first post on this thread. Sorry it is so long.

What exactly has this guy done to make people angry other than have a past musical association with Adam?

What has he done? He’s lied: “In the studio today with Adam Lambert …” He knew exactly how that phrase would be interpreted.

I’m so done with this.

Me too. :wacko_tb:

‘IF’  and this is a big if, his blog is accurate about the song and their relationship, then he isn’t really doing anything wrong. Adam contacted him and asked for them to work together on a song and he agreed. Adam asked him to put the song on hold until AI was over, he said no problem. AI is over and he is now working on the song again. Nothing wrong with that. He is also a struggling artist and now feels lucky he may have a song to release that might actually get some airplay and make some money because he hooked up with the right guy at the right time, simply because they admired each others work. Again, nothing wrong with that!

I agree. My first reaction to all of this was, “Wow, Adam kind of inconvenienced that guy and he was nice enough to hold off on things.” Even though the guy wasn’t working diligently on it at the time, I still feel badly for him in a way. This doesn’t bother me as much as the Hi Fi stuff.

These are demos that were done years ago and were unfinished. Now that Adam is a hot commodity someone has finished them. Adam has no say or input as to the the final product which goes out with his name on it. Legally the producers can do that if they want but that doesn’t mean Adam has to embrace it. It doesn’t mean his fans have to either.

There is not enough information to make this assumption about this particular relationship or song. Adam has not addressed it and probably wont while he is touring.

I am not saying anyone should purchase this song if they choose not to. I am only saying to not make an issue out of it and dont actively boycott it like everyone did Hi-Fi. Dont burn the guy at the stake for having a past association with Adam and hoping this will help him out.

Like I said in my first post, I didn’t like what Hi-Fi did either, they attempted to sideline RCA and Adam by saying they where releasing his first single and debut album and that Adam was on board with this, when in fact it was a bunch of demos that Adam did not endorse, and then essentially laughed in RCA’s face and expected his fans to get on board. I was not on board and wasn’t at all against that boycott.

However no reasonable person can believe every situation will be exactly the same. If I like the song when it comes out I will purchase it, if I dont then I wont, but I certainly wont actively take a part in hurting Adam’s personal relationships by bashing someone we know little to nothing about other than his OTT enthusiasm for having been lucky enough to work with Adam in the past.

Stormy
Jul 9th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
I agree, as I usually do, with FifthHouseSun. The hardcore Adam fans aren’t just fans of his music, they are fans of the man himself, and are very protective of his ‘brand’  and respectful of his wishes. To any and all ‘producers’  or ‘co-writers’  out there hoping to cash in on Adam’s charisma and success without Adam’s official approval: Don’t make the fanbase angry. You will not like us when we’re angry.

I am a huge hardcore Adam fan, I haven’t watched AI since season 2, and only got hooked this year because of Adam. I actually bought a ticket to the concert this year, and haven’t been to a concert in 20 years at least. No one is a bigger fan of Adam than I am, and in that vain, I would hope common sense just might prevail. I think I am taking Adam’s feelings into consideration a lot more than those who choose simply to rise to the level of fanatics.

What exactly has this guy done to make people angry other than have a past musical association with Adam? How do you know this is not a good friend of Adams? How do you really know? What if Adam is prevented by 19E/RCA from endorsing any previous music? Whether he wants to or not?

What if this is a friend of Adam’s and his fan base bashes the crap out him, how do you think Adam will feel about that? How do you think any of his past friends will feel about that? If this rises to the level of a witch hunt, then everybody loses, particularly Adam.

How would anyone feel if they had someone they made art with, then that other person rises on their own to a level of stardom, then starts telling everyone that what they did with you was insignicant and shouldn’t count for crap? How long would you remain friends after that? That diva rumor would no longer be a rumor, it would become actual fact and this would hurt more than just one friendship. Adam has already stated one of his hardest issues has been maintaining his friendships through this AI season because of how busy he has been. Things like this will only make it worse.

Unless he wants to be a douchebag, he can’t credibly disown absolutely everything prior like it didn’t really exist no matter what RCA/19 or his cult follower want.

These are demos that were done years ago and were unfinished. Now that Adam is a hot commodity someone has finished them. Adam has no say or input as to the the final product which goes out with his name on it. Legally the producers can do that if they want but that doesn’t mean Adam has to embrace it. It doesn’t mean his fans have to either.

The failure of ‘Want’  means that Adam Lambert’s name alone won’t sell crappy songs.

Outside of obsessed American Idol fans like us, no one even knows Want exists. There was no marketing or promotion for it. People can’t buy something if they don’t know its there to buy….

It still remains to be seen if he is going to sell more CDs than Kris.

Yes. Just like it still remains to be seen if Kris is going to sell more CDs than Adam….. LOL

It still remains to be seen if he is going to sell more CDs than Kris.

This does not matter. Lil’ Wayne (one example) sells more CDs than Bat for Lashes. Miley Cyrus outsells Regina Spektor. This does not mean Lil’ Wayne/Miley is “better” or “more deserving” or “was the right person all along to win American Idol nyah nyah nyah”. It doesn’t matter who outsells who. The position on Billboard or iTunes isn’t the final verdict on quality or talent. There are dozens of other factors at play in music sales.

The only thing that matters to me is that the people whose music I enjoy are successful enough to keep making and distributing music I enjoy. Raw numbers never have been and never will be the whole story.

The pre-Idol Adam is at least as real “real” as the package RCA will deliver in the fall.

Adam is a grown man. He entered into many agreements and recorded many things.

Unless he wants to be a douchebag, he can’t credibly disown absolutely everything prior like it didn’t really exist no matter what RCA/19 or his cult follower want.

‘asked him to put the song on hold until AI was over, he said no problem. AI is over and he is now working on the song again. Nothing wrong with that. He is also a struggling artist and now feels lucky he may have a song to release that might actually get some airplay and make some money because he hooked up with the right guy at the right time, simply because they admired each others work. Again, nothing wrong with that!’

Hey just want to say something about boycotting the pre-idol Lambert music. How about let’s NOT boycott. I mean any producer of an artist’s music is going to get a cut. Adam should receive royalties on the songs he co-wrote and maybe more on album sales and downloads (don’t know the real score on that.) So Hi-Fi makes some money off of Adam. So they are
trying to get as big a piece of the pie as they can now because, since Adam now has a contract with RCA and 19, there is probably no going back to that smaller indie label for a
few years if ever. I say wouldn’t it be great if all of Adam’s music rocked the music charts. As one of the fansites headlines ’supporting the dream of Adam Lambert’ and in my mind right now that outweighs the posturing of Hi-Fi. Adam said he was disappointed about the release because it was unfinished but he did NOT say don’t buy it when asked. So if you like the album, buy it, if you don’t like it, don’t buy it. But don’t boycott it! (and no, I am not a Hi-Fi mole, I am just a middle-aged gal from New Mexico that fell in heart with Adam Lambert; and will be traveling 400 miles to see him in concert in Phoenix)

As long as it still has the security strip at the top, you are good to go. Any Idol whose music I actually want, I probably already bought for myself.

If I didn’t buy it for myself, it’s because I didn’t want it.

I always wonder what the reactions of Idol fans’ friends and family are when they do stuff like this. I’ve read people’s boasts before about buying ‘all my friends and family David Archuleta’s CD/ Kelly Clarkson’s CD/ some other favorite Idol’s CD for Christmas.

Do they stop getting invited to family functions? Do their friends start dodging their calls? Are interventions performed?

No, their friends and families just get very good at creating cd-based arts and crafts, like collaged coasters and Christmas-tree ornaments.

Adam seems like the type to help his friends so I wonder if he would ever do something with Alysan Porter.

Squirrely, it looks like they are already working together:

ali22san:

Well I was supposed to get my nails done…but somehow I ended up in the studio with red and @therealglambert!!! Way better.3:45 PM Jun 19th from TwitterBerry

Off to the studio to finish a sick track for @therealglambert!!! Hollaaaaaaaa6:01 PM Jun 17th from TwitterBerry

hello new twats, if you love @therealglambert then i love you!2:55 PM Jun 17th from web

@therealglambert I’m excited!11:29 AM Jun 16th from TwitterBerry

……..and she doesn’t like NB either, lol:

No boundries? Terrible.6:38 PM May 19th from TwitterBerry

I have already ordered Adam ´s CD, and will also buy many more to give for Xmas presents

I always wonder what the reactions of Idol fans’ friends and family are when they do stuff like this. I’ve read people’s boasts before about buying “all my friends and family David Archuleta’s CD/ Kelly Clarkson’s CD/ some other favorite Idol’s CD for Christmas.

Do they stop getting invited to family functions? Do their friends start dodging their calls? Are interventions performed?

Where’s Kirsten? We need one of her top ten lists. “The Top Ten Ways Over-Investing Idol Fans Can Juice Their Favorite Idols’ Sales Numbers:”

I’ll get it started:

10. Get married and, as an alternative to making a disc of your wedding songs to provide as a favor at your reception, give your guests all a copy of your Idol’s CD instead….