I think it’s already over everywhere except in the Idol bubble, where for some reason we like to rehash everything a million times. Since ABC backpedaled and is having Chris Brown on 20/20 instead of GMA, with no live performance, there’s just no more juice to the story. I expect to see Tiger in the headlines today, not Adam.

Yup!!

sallysimmons
11/28/2009 at 8:02 am
Here’s the thing I don’t get about all the angry Adam fans ‘ ¦ because of all the ‘outrage’ Adam sold a lot more records than he otherwise would have done. If you don’t believe me, check out how fast his album is falling on iTunes after those first few days of big sales.

He has no radio play, so the controversy was his best friend. Why are so many of his fans angry at the one thing that saved his sales?

He’d better find a way to upset some more people quickly, or else that album is going to drop down the charts just as fast as Kris’s.

LMAO!!! I am a fan but i am not angry fan. So i disagree with you sweeping statement. IMHO, some fans might be disappointed (i think angry is a strong word) because of ignorant statements are being posted by ignorant people. And for trolling hate. Hate is not good. LMAO! Personally, i am not angry. Why should i be angry if people are buying Adam’s CDs. LMAO!!!

But while lurking all the major sites (not just here, which isn’t a full impression), the majority of Adam fans aren’t the least bit angry at him.

It was interesting going to the Early Show a few days ago, and seeing the fans there. There were quite a few who didn’t like the AMA performance, but were still adament supporters of his. And then there were those, like me, who weren’t at all bothered by the AMAs. I really think the emotion of the first day or so took hold, but once that subsided, I see very few hardcore Adam fans up in arms over the incident.

IMO, regardless of the motivation, ABC’s canceling Adam’s GMA appearance was the great miscalculation

ITA – that cancellation may have been one of the best things to happen to Adam. It actually got people really talking about the double standard, and other related issues, and made Adam much more sympathetic in the whole scheme of things. He never played victim – as others said, he took complete responsibility for what he did, but that actually made it all the better. He owned up to it, didn’t shy away, and in the end ABC came off the worst for making a decision that many, even those who didn’t like the AMA performance, viewed as foolish, and made for foolish reasons.

im a fan of him,the music and man”

I know what you mean…
Sometimes, Mr. Lambert “the man” generates more interest than his music… (i’m not really into electronica and disco)… then again, “interesting” doesn’t always translate to me as something “positive”… as evident from Sunday’s event

revcat
Oh I didn’t know that! Interesting!

Here’s the source article if you’re interested.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jyVTIY4_omN2d7e6ktvitpt79hYgD9C84HOO0

Since ABC backpedaled and is having Chris Brown on 20/20 instead of GMA, with no live performance, there’s just no more juice to the story. I expect to see Tiger in the headlines today, not Adam.

Oh I didn’t know that! Interesting!

I expect to see Tiger in the headlines today, not Adam.

I wish Tiger no ill will, but thank God.

Maybe Tiger Wood’s mysterious car crash (according to TMZ the scratches on his face were made by his wife and she was attacking his car with a golf club, not trying to rescue him) will put the AMA story on the back burner. One can only hope.

I think it’s already over everywhere except in the Idol bubble, where for some reason we like to rehash everything a million times. Since ABC backpedaled and is having Chris Brown on 20/20 instead of GMA, with no live performance, there’s just no more juice to the story. I expect to see Tiger in the headlines today, not Adam.

It really has been rather fascinating to watch this all unfold, in my view.

BTW, that’s not to say that I believe ABC was duped by Adam, as opposed to complicit (or at least hopeful) in starting controversy with his performance. They pumped his performance and its eye-dropping, jaw-dropping spectacle at every turn. And now, if there was any doubt before, he falls squarely within the ABC created moniker of one of the “most fascinating” people of the year. So, yeah, my gut tells me that ABC had a flow chart ready to go, lining up plans A, B, C and D depending on which direction the inevitable fallout from the AMAs took… Ratings are god.

Adam had the pimp cane but ABC’s is bigger, IMO.

LOL!

I don’t know if Adam sold more or less CDs due to his AMA performance and I am not sure it was a good long term move for Adam to put on a raunchy performance straight out of the Idol gate so to speak. Having to hear about it over and over is getting old. Maybe Tiger Wood’s mysterious car crash (according to TMZ the scratches on his face were made by his wife and she was attacking his car with a golf club, not trying to rescue him) will put the AMA story on the back burner. One can only hope.

You’re saying he didn’t adhere to the rehearsal version of his performance on the AMAs and the censors were taken by surprise, yet it’s BS that they thought he might do same thing again (go off script) on the morning show. He himself said he was carried away in moment, so I don’t think it was at all far fetched for them to think it might happen again.

I think it’s a cop out. A morning show is a helluva lot different than the AMA’s. All they had to do is ask Adam not to perform FYE again but no. Adam wasn’t responsible to ABC but the AMA’s which is owned by Dick Clark Productions. I believe It was strictly a business decision loss of revenue and fanatical right wing groups threatening to take it to FCC that made them cancel the Adam’s GMA performance.

music-wise, i never understood the need to like the artist, just as i never understood the need to buy a whole album, when i only liked 1 or 2 songs.

until adam.

im a fan of him,the music and man.

and short of him declaring world war 3, most likely will be till forever.

the other celebrity i admire is angelina jolie. i guess i like people i admire to be just as open about their good side and bad side.

IMO, the real reason for ABC’s actions in cancelling GMA is that Adam didn’t adhere to his rehearsal version of his performance closely enough, and the ‘bleepers’  were taken by surprise, given their expectations. With Eminem (and others), I’m sure that the ‘bleepers’  were prepared for censoring some parts of his song because they were knew what was coming from rehearsals. It’s a ‘punishment’  for that, and really has nothing to do with ABC’s public statement that they couldn’t trust Adam to not give an ‘inappropriate’  performance for morning television (which I think is BS).

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You’re saying he didn’t adhere to the rehearsal version of his performance on the AMAs and the censors were taken by surprise, yet it’s BS that they thought he might do same thing again (go off script) on the morning show. He himself said he was carried away in moment, so I don’t think it was at all far fetched for them to think it might happen again.

Art is subjective. I don’t like Marilyn Manson’s music or shock value performances but I won’t say it isn’t art. Oooh the dreaded Claymates card…lol.

Adam has taken responsibility for getting carried away during the adrenline fueled live performance but ABC would like to pretend they fell victim to some manipulative schemer who rehearsed a completely different number and then busted out the S&M gear’ ¦. I call bullshit’ ¦..

ITA! I call bullshit, too!
I’m not saying Adam has no responsibility in the controversy. But, ABC saw the costumes,leashes and moves before the show aired. They edited out half of Eminem’s song. They could have edited out the crotch move.

Double-standards aside, I think that the truth lies between these two extremes. Adam has said that the bj move was far less explicit (no contact, shorter) in rehearsals. He even went further with the kiss, which was different from the “hair pulling” that was planned in rehearsals. Adam admits that he let his “adrenaline” get the better of him and went substantially off script.

IMO, the real reason for ABC’s actions in cancelling GMA is that Adam didn’t adhere to his rehearsal version of his performance closely enough, and the “bleepers” were taken by surprise, given their expectations. With Eminem (and others), I’m sure that the “bleepers” were prepared for censoring some parts of his song because they were knew what was coming from rehearsals. It’s a “punishment” for that, and really has nothing to do with ABC’s public statement that they couldn’t trust Adam to not give an “inappropriate” performance for morning television (which I think is BS).

Idol fans run to the stores the first few days. Then the stampede lessens so Idol albums usually get overestimated.

I’m not “angry” about anything having to do with Adam. I’m angry about double standards and discrimination that make gay people less than full citizens. And I was angry about that long before the AMAs and GMA came along. … I obviously can’t speak for everybody, but I get the feeling that’s true of a lot of people who are posting here, at least.

That doesn’t stop fans from wishing that either Adam or David could have made it big without AI and avoided the specter of Idol (the downside that goes with the up), because each truly is talented and deserving enough. Thems the breaks (or lack thereof) though. And, here we are…

Oh yeah what a shame he has it to carry. Too bad he wasn’t making it in the business and had to go on AI. If he didn’t want to go there he didn’t have to. I don’t buy it. Every idol has this to carry so I don’t really feel to sorry for him. It’s a shame that any of them have to carry it so I don’t feel too sorry for him.

Please. That “American Idol albatross” is a fan sentiment. Don’t mistake his angsty fans pronouncements as Adam’s own feelings. He has never been anything but complimentary and grateful to the whole Idol system. Sometimes I think he’s a one man PR machine for 19/RCA the way he continually shoots down arguments against the Evil Idol Machine in practically every interview.

When you think about it, it’s a shame Adam has that whole American Idol albatross to carry on his shoulders.’ 

Oh yeah what a shame he has it to carry. Too bad he wasn’t making it in the business and had to go on AI. If he didn’t want to go there he didn’t have to. I don’t buy it. Every idol has this to carry so I don’t really feel to sorry for him. It’s a shame that any of them have to carry it so I don’t feel too sorry for him.

Here’s the thing I don’t get about all the angry Adam fans

Um, I don’t think it’s the Adam fans that are angry. Or if they are, it’s a very small percentage. I think some are disappointed, for various reasons ranging from personally disliking the performance to being fine with it but worried that it may still negatively impact Adam in the future. At this point, days later, a lot of the outrage you read comes from those who actually prefer other Idols to begin with.

But while lurking all the major sites (not just here, which isn’t a full impression), the majority of Adam fans aren’t the least bit angry at him. And they are pleasantly surprised that what could have been a disaster may have gained him some sales (although we will never really know how many he lost due to the performance itself) in increasing his visibility. So people that had forgotten who he was after the finale, casual fans who are not online and didn’t follow the tour, see some mention of him somewhere and go, “hey, I remember that guy, he was good, I think I’ll put him on my shopping list when I head out to Target.”

As far as dropping down the iTunes charts, I’m amazed he’s hung up there this long. Do I wish he would stay up there? Sure! But during The Biggest Shopping Weekend Of The Year, I would also expect the biggest percentage of purchases to be physical CDs for gifts. He’s got Ellen next week, Barbara Walters the week after that, and at some point I imagine they’ll do a media debut of the FYE music video. So I think the promo tour has just begun.

He has no radio play, so the controversy was his best friend. Why are so many of his fans angry at the one thing that saved his sales?

He’d better find a way to upset some more people quickly, or else that album is going to drop down the charts just as fast as Kris’s.

That whole show was on at least a 10 second delay’ ¦ABC had the time and option to either go to a different camera shot not showing the ‘unrehearsed’  event, or they could have went to black screen.

I still wonder why they didn’t do that.

Well, the decision to ban Adam from GMA came from a whole different corporate level than the button pushers cleaning up the AMA show on 10-second delay. The button pushers were censoring only the things that they knew were an issue — and they’re very well informed about this. They wouldn’t have censored the kiss or the crotch pull because they know that that kind of stuff happens all the time on tv and that it is not an FCC violation. I’m sure that they also know that you can’t censor homosexual acts in a different way from heterosexual acts any more, and that FCC is not empowered to enforce anti-male-on-male discrimination, nor would it.

But my conclusion is that, sometime after the whole brouhaha started after the show, the corporate management at ABC heard *something* from *somebody* in particular — a corporate sponsor, maybe? — that made them believe they had to pull Adam from GMA in order to placate this entity, whoever it was. ….

Seems to me that I remember the first ABC statements on this issue stating that they’d only gotten a “moderate” amount of complaints – 1500 — about the performance, and declaring a pr disaster generally required 15,000 to 20,000 complaints. So something clearly happened between then and the cancellation, and I don’t see what that could have been except someone very specific — like a corporate sponsor or some specific group – threatening some specific action if they didn’t dump Adam from the AMAs.

And it wasn’t a threat from the FCC. That’s where I call bullshit on ABC’s statements. The FCC isn’t about to issue a ruling that effectively holds homosexual conduct to a tighter standard for viewing than heterosexual conduct in a dance number.

the KISS threw them over the edge IMO’ ¦. I only say that because as a viewer and fan, (of) the kiss even took ME off guard. Everything else I took in stride as being part of the dancing and routine’ ¦.albeit a tad overzealous. When he pulled the keyboardist into that kiss I gasped and was like ‘oh shit’  I knew the minute he did that all hell would break loose.

And what the kiss showed was — It *was* about male on male sex and love…. And *that’s* what we freak out about, *not* “vulgar sexual simulation” or something. Vulgar sexual simulation is all over the place. But when it has that male-on-male tinge — then all hell breaks loose. And, as you say, the male-on-male tinge really became evident *only* when the kiss happened.

And, yes, I completely agree that that’s not true for everyone. Some actually don’t want to see any of it. In fact, I’m somewhat in that category myself. I’m not at all comfortable with getting kids so accustomed to seeing women simulate orgasms on stage that, in my mind, they’re likely to mimic that stuff in their own dancing around without even realizing what they’re doing. I would actually have *zero* problem if a decision was made to completely ban sex simulation on network television. But when we let female stuff go on and on and on and don’t even *notice* it, apparently, and then go all crazy when there’s something male on male, then I have a *big* problem.