In a recent interview with Velocity Live Radio from the Long Island press hour, Adam Lambert talks about his album, the tour, and taking some downtime when it’s over.
A most interesting soundbite comes when the interviewer asks Adam, “What’s the craziest thing that’s ever happened to you?”
There’s a lot of very interesting fan encounters–very, very overzealous fans, and I love them all. They’re super supportive, and they obviously put me where I am. You know, if it weren’t for these fans, I wouldn’t have gotten as far as I did. Sometimes, they’re a little sweaty, A little smelly–very touchy-feely. And some of the gifts are interesting. You know, I got, like, an inflatable kangaroo at one point, four feet tall, and I kind of was like, ok, well, thank you, this is sweet, what the…am I going to do with this?
Adam hasn’t been meeting fans by the buses, and my spidey sense tells me that’s going to be the policy for the rest of the tour. I realize there are many respectful fans out there, but with crazies who scream in his face, try to touch him and invade his personal space, I can’t blame him for not wanting to deal.
But calling fans smelly? Lulz. That might be crossing the line…
Listen to the interview here:
Could be because his fraus camped out all night to see him, no time to take a shower
Adam’s being honest…blutally honest and I can’t fault him for that. Maybe the crazies will back off now thinking they have bad b.o.? LOL No filter with Adam and I love that about him.
If people are sweaty and smelly…then they just are! I’ve been around these people around the barricades and lets be real…some people stink. It’s kind of just calling a spade a spade! SHOWER POWER!!! Smelly peeps…your bad for being smelly and bringing your funk into his (or anyone else for that matter) person space.
I think it’s funny. I like people who don’t sugar coat.
With the heat we have been having on the east coast, I am sure some of the fans were smelly! It’s been hot! I like the way Adam always remembers his fans and thanks them for where he is today. Adam is a huge talent and a class act! Can’t wait for the album and solo tour!
Nah, no over the line – just telling like it is – no filter as usaul. It’s just as bad and the tongue and lip lock with Kris. But Adam has a point, overzealous is overzealous and not sexy!!!!!!!!!!!!! Too bad because he loves his fans. I guess people don’t think – where are you going to put a 4-foot kangaroo, at least Wolfgang was only a couple of inches and generated a whole lot fun. Kanga – way out of wack – not sure of the significance either.
OMG I love it. I’m sure there are many who will be offended by the comments, but likely they are exactly the fans he’s talking about. LOL brings to mind the phrase “mingling with the unwashed masses.”
He was obviously saying it in a laughing joking way.
It’s quite fascinating that I’ve heard this yesterday on his own site. But I didn’t find it offensive because this was followed by a statement that he loves his fans and he said it in a jolly way. Irregardless, some fans might take this against him but his diehard fans will let this pass. I still see a need for a PR damage control on this though. Maybe he’ll come out tonight and grant interviews to straighten things out. For me, he should. His lack of filter may put him into trouble but that’s I also love about him.
LOL, smelly!!!
Sweaty, hot barricades – the fragrance.
I knew this would end up a headline here.
SMELLLY BWAHAHAHA NOW I AM STARTING TO LIKE YOU ADAM LAMBERT.
LOL ADAMMM… still has no filter and I love it.
People wait for hours out in the hot sun to see him. I’m disappointed he’d say something like this. But I’m a diehard fan and will forgive him for it. He’s young and hasn’t quite learned that those smelly, sweaty people are the ones that will make or break his career. ;)
Is this on the bus you think??
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Is he in the hallway?? The bunks have got to be different than this, right??
I tend to like the fact that Adam has no filter so maybe I’m not the best person to judge, but it seems like he’s clearly directing all of this at what he terms the “very, very overzealous” fans who don’t respect personal space–so maybe he’s trying to lose the crazies? Or at least establish boundaries as best he can.
Adam has been pretty clear that he loves his fans a lot, just not the crazy fans–and man, if the crazies get offended and leave, so much the better for his sanity.
Considering he had a sex toy thrown at him I don’t blame him for talking like this.
The folks at the barricades in Charlotte were sweaty and smelly and pushy and smelled of raw, unbridled estrogen. Adam speaks but the truth! lol
Adam fans had better start using deodorant and buy some mouthwash too. I still don’t think he’ll come out to see you but the rest of the assembled throng will appreciate it.
ROTFLMFAO haahahahhahaha LOL I .love.this.so.much!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it’ll probably lose him like 2 fans but that’s fine, who actually cares. SMELLY hell yeah I love you Adam lambert. I want a YouTube………….?I couldn’t find one yesterday though:( times like this is when I hate my iPod. I want to hear Adam calling his fans smelly LOL.
That’s the dilemma isn’t it? If you come late and smells good, you don’t get to meet Adam. If you wait in the front line for long hours, Adam hates your smell. Not that you will see Adam anyway. He’s not going to the meetings anymore.
The irony is that those over zealous fans who are the smelly, sweaty, touchy-feely ones will believe he’s referring to someone else and not them. :rolleyes_wp:
I think the important point is that even though his fans are sometimes smelly and touchy feely, he still loves them them all. :P He’s laughing, he’s not angry.
That said, if I ever get to meet him, I’ll make sure to shower first and wear deodorant.
So did I, I had no doubts.
LOL It did make me laugh to think that Adam got a 4-ft kangaroo and Kris got a tiny little skunk. Kris’s fan was more considerate..LOL. I will say that Adam has said that he’s on vocal rest and hasn’t participated in pre-show interviews either, so I’m not sure that MJ’s spidey sense is accurate, but we’ll see.
This in NOT over the line, and watching the tapes from some of the signings and APs, I think that this might be an understatement. Also, I listened to the tape and he was laughing when he said this part. Clearly, he meant it as a joke.
The interview is from Nassau, I think the first night, and the next day Adam went on total vocal rest, stopped doing press and M&Gs because he was sick –not because he was avoiding fans.
I think after the problems with the crowd pushing against the barricades in Atlanta, security is probably very happy not to have Adam out signing autographs.
It’s B.O.-gate!!
Prepare for the “Adam is a Diva” backlash. I can’t blame him for not wanting to touch strange sweaty people.
I just love his unfiltered self. Yes, the barricade thing is hot, sweaty and stinky. I think he says stuff the other Idols would never say, but are probably thinking anyway. I’m also glad he commented again on the weird gift thing. A huge blow up Kanga? What F*** indeed. I mean, really, if you’re going to give the man a gift, at least make it a practical, small one, right?
Dumb move. You don’t offend your own customers. I mean, if he owned a clothing store and a customer came in to browse would he say “Wow, you look strange. Oh, and by the way you reek. Did you know you have a sweat problem?”
I’ve got news for him. People who sweat and smell bad buy CDs too but they might not be inclined to buy his if he keeps pointing it out to them.
But Adam doesn’t come out pre-show when it’s hottest. I would think it’s cooler after the show.
I love it! A four minute radio interview gets its own thread. I wonder how many comments this thread will get? It’s so interesting to watch! Smelly…well, some probably are.
Diehard fans would let pretty much anything pass short of setting a baby on fire. But maybe that too. ;).
I don’t know, I’m all for calling out the bad behavior of over-zealous fans, but feel the personal insults are unnecessary and beside the point.
It really doesn’t affect the way I feel about Adam one way or another, but that’s my take on it.
Yes, Sherena that was emphasized in his statement, but it’s not good enough to be part of the headline I guess.
Oh and I agree with MJ I don’t think he’s coming out anymore. he did enough of that on the cover of rollingstone ( sorry couldn’t resist the bad pun don’t hate me) :D
I love that Adam said this…anytime he makes these wonderfully unfiltered comments, he always has a twinkle in his eye and says it with a laugh and a great sense of humor. I’m sure in that heat there are some truly stinky people he comes in contact with! He’s so refreshing in that he simply says what’s on his mind, openly and honestly. Go Adam!
well, I TOTALLY understand him…. some people just need to learn how to use deodorant, take showers, etc.
I doesn’t have anything to do with being in the heat or dancing – if you are clean and use antiperspirant you’ll be ok even in hot sun!!!
I’m a die-hard fan so at the concert he could have just stood there for 5 seconds and I would be THRILLED!!!!!!
Diehard fans would let pretty much anything pass short of setting a baby on fire. But maybe that too. ;).
Hmmmm…maybe not that. How ’bout setting that Kanga on fire?
Might draw the line there. Casual fans who download music or buy cds will never hear this interview. It is heard by diehard fans-or haters-who have made up their minds already.
And as usual where Adam is concerned, an off-handed remark gets blown out of proportion.
The whole barricade thing has always creeped me out anyway. Crowds freak me out so it seems like one of Dante’s levels of Hell to me. I’m sure it IS sweaty and smelly. He’s just telling it like it is. Unwashed masses. LOL.
ETA I don’t think you need to be a “die hard fan” to view this as a nonstory. Seems like if you’re not offended … you’re a die hard fan. If you ARE offended … you’re a die hard fan. What’s a MOR fan to do? Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Translation for the overzealous fans “I’m going to say that I love you because that’s the good thing to do for business BUT in reality you are scaring the hell out of me with your weirdness. Oh, and you stink. That’s not sexy…”
He may have been smiling and lighthearted when he said it but that’s called being passive aggressive. He made his point but confused the issue with a smile. Personally I don’t think what he said was bad but he’s got to realize that until he’s dead serious when he says something his fans won’t get it, much like they didn’t get his irritation with the stuff thrown on stage until he kicked it back at them impulsively.
That was a good interview – there more to it than just the word ‘smelly’.
I heard this interview yesterday and wondered when it will become a gate. it took longer than i thought. well people do sweat and then smell esp in the heat so ” a little smelly ” is not crossing the line. He still loves them all. I also think Adam doesn’t do sweat. I remember the disco no by Paula, he was sweating in rehearsals and said it was going to be the sweatest or something like that and someone handed him a handerchief. the sweat thing seemed to bother him.
Also i can bet if there’s uproar abt this it won’t be from his fans.
I wouldn’t let that pass!… unless it was like, an accident.
Why is everybody assuming he’s talking about the fans at the barricades? He has no physical contact with them whatsoever. I think he may be talking more about people who accost him when he’s out and about.
Oh, I realize that. This means nothing in the grand scheme of things. I’m just having a little fun on a Friday afternoon. ;).
Didn’t really care for the “smelly” comment–that doesn’t mean I won’t buy his album or see his concert in the future.
I know, some people just can’t handle the truth. LOL.
Srsly, if people actually get butthurt over this, then more Lulz.
Um a baby on fire…. sadly i might be okay with that…. sigh… I’m pathethic
No they won’t. These are the same AI barricade fans that have been stalking the buses for years. They’ll just move on to the next “hottie” from season 9.
AI fans are notorious for being pretty self-serving when it comes to seeing, touching, photographing with, or autograph seeking from so that they can run back to their fansites or chatrooms or blog headquarters and brag about their encounters. Not to be totally dismissive (because I am sure there are a few “real fans” who enjoy this part of the experience) but it is hard to equate a blow up Kangaroo and a real fan.
Adam is such a diva! (Someone had to say it right?) hehe.
Anyways, I don’t think he should have called some of his fans smelly because media will take that and run with it to make it seem like he’s ungrateful to his fans. Also, you know if it was any one of the other idols (such as Danny) saying this, the reaction would be completely different.
If I were a diehard fan of Adam’s, I think I’d feel insulted. I’m all about the snark, the unfiltered comments and the calling out of overzealous fans but I think he went too far into the personal with this.
I find it fascinating to observe the personalities of the different fandoms. If another Idol had said something like this, they might have gotten raked over the coals. Adam’s fans seem to find the insults endearing. Go figure.
CindyM, where did you find those adorable photos? The second one looks like they are standing in front of a bus, but the first one….I’ve never been inside a bus that looks like that. But Adam IS wearing the same shirt. And the same hair.
Exactly. The fans making or breaking his career will more than likely never meet him or hang around an AI concert barricade.
I smell a DIVA.
“That baby probably deserved it!” :laugh_tb:
“Why is everybody assuming he’s talking about the fans at the barricades? He has no physical contact with them whatsoever. I think he’s probably talking more about people who accost him when he’s out and about.”
Actually, he works to have no contact at the barricades. People do try to grab him when he shows up. I’m with MJ. I think his barricade visiting days are over. And I don’t blame him one bit. it’s overwhelming. And, apparently, smelly.
“SOMETIMES, they’re a LITTLE sweaty, and a LITTLE smelly”… you know, I don’t think this is Adam insulting his fans, it’s just what comes to mind when he thinks of his barricade encounters and he says it. But he has to realize that his words will be out of context in print, and his charm won’t be there to lighten them.
He will have to acquire a filter eventually, and that will be sad for me… I want to hear the real Adam’s opinions.
I don’t think casual fans take it as a personal insults, because they’re never the ones go to the barricade and try to grab him. And like u said, the diehard fans won’t mind anywayz. So basically just all lulz. Oh, h8terz gonna hate regardless. LOL
That’s Adam.. He is who he is. Anoop said Adam is unfiltered, he will say what in his mind.
Yes some of his fans are overzealous, sweaty, smelly and very touchy-feely.. but don’t forget.. he said he loves them all.
Uh oh. I smell 5 million incoming posts on this subject.
Absolutely.
However, are the sweaty/smelly comments really beside the point? Isn’t his point not about the fans who wait at the barricades and ask him to sign things or take pictures, but about the “very, very overzealous fans” who invade his personal space? I mean, in regular life, isn’t it common courtesy not to get all up in people’s personal space if you’re sweaty or something like that–and really, isn’t it common courtesy and good manners not to invade people’s personal space at all? That’s what he’s saying, as I read it–that fans who approach him when he’s not separated from them by the barricades can sometimes be really inappropriate about personal space, and forget the bounds of common courtesy, and he doesn’t like that.
As you say, it’s not a big deal either way–but I definitely didn’t read it as a comment directed at fans in general, just at rude fans who invade personal space and forget the rules of polite behavior. That’s how I see it, but I get seeing it differently–and anyone unfiltered is bound to put his foot in his mouth occasionally, even if I don’t think that’s what he did here. :)
Incidentally, this isn’t the focus of this post on the interview, but I liked hearing that the ballad he has mentioned will have a vibe similar to Mad World. That could end up being really lovely and haunting, I hope.
It’s the Claymate affect. The more Clay is snarky and passive aggressively insulting, the more his fans love him and claim he was “being lighthearted” or “being such a brat, he loves to tease us!” These AIers need to realize that you either suck it up and deal with the overzealous fans or you make a clean break in an unambigious “go away” fashion. Adam will never get the result he wants (shape up and behave) if he tries to be nice and rude in the same breath, the OTT fans will cling to the fact that he smiled as proof he doesn’t really mean it.
And I’m so fed up and disgusted by OTT fans that I’d cheer any AIer for calling them out. Maybe not for calling them smelly, ’cause that’s not really the issue, but for being entitled? Weird? Obsessed? Bring it on, Giraud, Gokey, Allison, or anyone else.
I think it’s pretty obvious, if you actually listen to the interview. That he’s not generalizing that all of his fans are smelly and sweaty. Just like not all his fans are crazy.
Should he probably not have said it? Yeah, if only because in print it comes across waay more harsh than if you listen to the audio. And sometimes keeping your mouth closed is a good thing.
But LOL I’m not going to lie, one of the reasons I like Adam so much (aside from the fact I love his voice) is his complete and utter lack of filter. And this is hilarious, sometimes the truth hurts AND is funny.
Nah, I don’t think he is crossing the line. Besides, people will think it’s the “other” person who is smelly, never themselves.
I agree MJ.
All celebrities go through this, and most of they know that they need to be politically correct towards the ones that are buying their show tickets, buy their albums, and are willing to wait for hours just to be close to them for a second. You need to be a bit less delicate to be a star. Specially if your career is beginning.
Just because you’re a glittery alien, it doesn’t mean that your fans do not sweat either ;).
In my opinion as usual, Adam’s diehard fans will let this pass and all his haters will be ranting about how disrespectful his comment was to his fans. As if the haters really care about his fans. They just love to have something else to go after him about. I myself, am not offended by the comment. It wasn’t probably the smartest thing to say but it’s not like he went out and kicked a puppy or kitten or laughed at a homeless person.
LOL, Will! Oh, Adam. Never a dull moment.
*Note to stalker fans: D.E.O.D.O.R.A.N.T.
Yah. Me too.
I enjoy the honesty but I’m getting the feeling Adam wants it both ways. He wants the fame from the show but doesn’t really enjoy hanging with the fans that made it happen.
I’m sure his fanbase could care less though. And any objection to the comment means the person “isn’t a real fan.” That’s how it works in Idoland season after season.
A true fan doesn’t sweat, smell or give stupid gifts either. :)
Oh no did he say I stink? Now I’m shunning his album! See how he likes it! No one will buy his music now! He’s doomed to failure! When his debut flops he will remember this as the cause of it all…and despair!
“But LOL I’m not going to lie, one of the reasons I like Adam so much (aside from the fact I love his voice) is his complete and utter lack of filter. And this is hilarious, sometimes the truth hurts AND is funny.”
Yeah, this. So true. OK, this has been fun, but I MUST go to work now.
Oh, Cindy M., loved the sweet pics.
CindyM, It is a separate van that transported Kris & Adam from Atlantic City (where the other Idols were) so they (Kris & Adam) could perform at GMA in NYC. Then it had to bring them back to Atlantic City so they could perform that night.
This had me rolling on the floor for real. too funny.
Sorry but so much wrong with that.Lets just say if a fan gave something like (clay like skunk they put it all over the net)some fan is loving life.I guess the fan that gave the kangaroo is shit out of luck. :lol_tb: So all fans pay the price for a few sweaty-smelly fans even after they win tickets on the radio that says (WIN TICKETS TO MET YOUR IDOL).Adam been hanging around danny the last 2 weeks.No wait danny doesn’t treat his fans bad.I hope adam says he is sorry that didnt come out right or not how he meant it.
I understand its the truth but adam does have kids as fans.He should think of them to when he talks.
LOL — How dare you bring up such irrelevant and unimportant matters as his music??
Well, maybe. Or, he can make he politically incorrect deal part of his shtick.
Adam loves pressing buttons, that’s for sure. If he were reading this thread, he’d probably be laughing and telling himself “well done.” I doubt the filter’s coming anytime soon. I, for one, will be pulling up the lawnchair and getting the popcorn ready. :).
True. Just like Adam is really skipping signing autographs because of doctor’s orders.
“I smell a DIVA.”
Are you a diva? Who is a diva? Where is a diva? Catch a diva.
DIVA – Dangerous Is Victorious Adam?
Calm down, calm down…
I would sort of agree with this, and I think it’s because he was just speaking off the cuff. When he said that thing about “Entitlement is not sexy” and the rest of it I thought he was really clear about appropriate boundaries, probably because he thought out his tweets a bit before sending them. So, better to plan this sort of statement out for maximum effect–but Adam is unfiltered, which I like, but which doesn’t always lead to optimum results. :) But hopefully the point will still reach some people, or at least offend some crazies enough to leave.
And I agree that he was pretty clearly not talking about all the fans–just the OTT fans who invade personal space in a weird way. He seems to enjoy interactions with the normal fans who don’t scream or cling to him crazily.
I know–I wonder who wrote this? It might be Tedder, I suppose, which could be pretty, though I’m really hoping it was his song with Ferras–some of Ferras’ ballads have that kind of eerie/lovely quality that Mad World has.
LOL. I was just waiting silently to see when this would show up here. Will this be like 10 pages of drama now?
I’m sure he can’t stand most of them but you don’t go around announcing that to the press. You keep it to yourself.
sidewalkstory, I am jealous that you knew that information.
First a disclosure. My name is kanga22 and I have NO affiliation with inflatable or stuffed kangaroos! LOL
Guess I am just one of the sweaty and smelly masses.
I think my beloved Adam needs a briefing on how not to give an interview when he is too tired or irritated to think clearly.
But, his fans will forgive him.
It’s sad because i have to keep PC and not saying: this gay is real bitchy.
The fans can say all” oh he’s smiling when he insulted fans” ‘he doesn’t mean me, he means the person next to me.” But no, he means you, you who after a long concert came to the barricade waiting to meet Adam. You doesn’t smell that good after the concert and the long waiting and standing with the masses. Have you smelled yourself? He stopped meeting you because you are smelly and pushy.
We should tweet it and wake up tweetville. :clap_tb: :lol_tb: :drunk_tb:
:lol_tb: :rolleyes_tb:
Even I know when I am smelly ya think they would know standing in the heat for a couple hours waiting you might not want to hug anyone…lol
Exactly. Their money is as good as anybody else’s.
Yes – yes – yes!! Adam you’re the man – tell it like it is!!!
Most of the time when you really tell the truth with something that isn’t the norm, you will not get a positive response – it’s a chance he was willing to take! I loved it frankly, the sweat & the kangaroo bit the most! :)
I’m telling you if he keeps this up by the end of the tour and keeps showing the real Adam, I will have no choice but to put him right up there with Kris!!
Hey, at least he didn’t call them sweaty, smelly, OLD AND FAT. The man showed restraint give him props for that!
I am with you MJ where is the popcorn.. love it!!! :jittery_tb:
Not sure if this was posted, but since I just saw sidewalkstory mention the van taking them to Atlantic City: Here is the link to the Rolling Stone article & pictures of Adam and Kris at GMA, traveling, and at the venue in Atlantic City.
http://www.rollingstone.com/photos/gallery/29775046/on_the_road_with_adam_lambert_and
Heh. The insult plus “but I love my fans so much” was just like the southernism “Bless her/his heart.” Here in the south, there is this belief that you can say damn near anything negative about someone as long as you append “bless his/her heart” to it. “Bless his heart, but he is just as dumb as a post.”
Translated into the southern vernacular: “Bless their hearts, but my fans are just so smelly and sweaty and they buy such silly presents!”
Heh again.
Yep, Adam is unfiltered. Yes, some of his fans are over zealous. How do I feel about him calling some fans sweaty and smelly? After chuckling a bit, I think eh, big deal. I am also for decorum, yet I don’t even like to touch my man, or my son when they are sweaty, so imagine someone you don’t know…..not only are they sweaty, and smelly, they are also touching you inappropriately. That’s the thing….a hug is fine, but I am sure there are some grabbing his ass, trying to size up little Adam with their slimey, clammy digits…..okay, I just grossed myself out…..
Maybe he should not have said anything, but just thinking about it, not everyone has the same capacity for this kind of closeness with the fans when the fans don’t have any filter either. As for the kangaroo, if someone can tell me why they would gift a grown man a blow up kangaroo, I would be greatly appreciative.
I am hoping it’s a song by Alisan. I love her end song and I think she could write a killer ballad.
What I find sad is that “over invested fans” or “fanatic haters” really think that what they have to say really affects how a celebrity or performer or Actor is judged in the real world. Nope…doesn’t happen. And in truth what these “famous” people do in the real world may cause a bit of consternation at the time, but is soon forgotten, forgiven or ignored down the road….heck John Lennon, Elvis, and Michael Jackson are all prime examples of this.
Really…the only truth is whether the purchaser feels that they got their monies’ worth and whether they will come back for seconds.
And since I get a lot of enjoyment from Adam’s pre AI and AI material that I have downloaded and play I don’t really care whether he thinks I’m smelly (besides my daughter reminds me to get out the deoderant every time she stops by on a hot Arizona day).
actually if another idol said this it won’t be a headline here. i remember kris said in an interview he has weird over invested fans or something to that effect and then he made a joke that those fans buy records too. and adam will get raked over the coals here. just keep reading the comments.
You say that as if “hanging with the fans” is a normal every day occurance for celebrities. Let me assure you, it is NOT.
All this going out to the barricades before and after the show is HIGHLY unusual for a recording artist and is pretty much unique to the American Idol fandom. It’s NOT normal and shouldn’t be expected.
As far as B.O.-gate. It’s just something for the haters to sink their teeth into along with their futile hopes that this will bring Adam down (P.S. It won’t). And a way for MJ to get more hits to her blog by stirring up a little sh!t.
The whole thing is a tempest in a teapot.
Wow. This is the second article I’ve read about this comment today. I heard the interview awhile back, giggled at the comment (b/c it wasn’t said offensively) and thought nothing of it. Is this a post because it’s a slow news day? Or because people like to pick apart e.v.e.r.y. s.i.n.g.l.e. l.i.t.t.l.e. thing Adam says? I dunno know. Weird post. At least you linked to the audio. Jeez.
How about a post on the new Rolling Stones pictures of Adam and Kris? Cuteness…
LOL Totally disagree. As a fan, this did not in any way feel like an insult, personal or otherwise.
The first time I heard the interview, I LMAO at this. It’s so obviously true and it was refreshing to hear Adam laugh and lament about it. As a fan, one of the things I love about him are the quotes like this one. He’s always saying or doing something a bit non-PC and that’s what makes him fun to listen to…you aren’t going to get the standard boring fare in an interview.
Unlike a few others who implied his first part of the statement about loving his fans was only said for political reasons, I say Nah! If Adam was going to be political he wouldn’t have said the rest of it. Adam loves his fans and the love they give him….Just like I love my nephews. But when my nephews come in from playing ball, smelling to high heaven and give me a hug, I laugh, shove them away and tell them they stink. There’s still affection there.
An insult is all in your POV, and since Adam manages to make his fans feel loved, no insult is taken.
LOL, I guess he was truly inspired by Gene Simmons!
Normally I would agree, but since all kinds of Adam minutae has gotten picked up by the mainstream press, you never know. This one could get around past the hardcores.
Either way I will be entertained.
Wow, I love the picture of Adam on stage. very cool.
The kangaroo probably came from a fan who lives in Australia. A faux pas by Adam if that’s the case.
So Adam said his fans stink big deal. A more extreme example of being fed up with psycho fans is David Cook having to videotape cyber sex with the wackos on Youtube just to get them to back off. Adam might just have to do that some day.
I remember an early interview Lambert gave where he was discussing his fans and said he loved them so much, he just wanted to be able to sit down and ‘have a meal’ with each and every one of them….
I find this guy to be such a phony, and such a pathetic cartoon of a musician, singer, and talent….. I’m glad the reality starts to rear its’ ugly face…. or should I say ugly, pock-marked, bloated face…..
Now I can sit down, turn on the air, and put on a copy of “A Face In The Crowd” on the DVD. If you’re not familiar with that film, go rent it and you’ll quickly understand.
Smelly fans…whatever. I hope we get a thread for those Rolling Stone pictures! Adam and Kris fans-RUN, don’t walk to go check them out Amazing!
“This is the way I like it, with a nice pane of glass between me and you stinky fans!”
The music info has been covered already in other interviews–fusion/dance/rock, make people feel good and sexy, etc. It’s not new news.
There will be music posts coming up. This thing was just too good to pass up. lol.
I think he is giving a pretty accurate depiction of HIS experience. True…he is partially to blame for the smelliness that occurs when concert goers have a rockin’ time. But, there are good deodorants, sprays and wipes that can and should be used for maintenance purposes!!! I think we’d all appreciate universal adherence to hygiene! I know I would!
Uh…in all seriousness, I think he’s not being careless about his words. He’s not joking either. If you haven’t figured it out, he’s trying pretty hard to alienate that group of AI hardcore fans who stand out there for hours just to meet him so they can give him scrapbooks, show him their elaborate handmade signs and get him to sign their sweaty bras and demand hugs.
Quite a few reviews I read about Cook touring nowadays still mention how most of the concert-goers are obsessive middle-aged women, and that sort of thing is a detriment to these people’s careers. I barely follow Cook post-Idol but I know the reputation of his fans. So ladies, stop behaving so inappropriately and embarrassingly so Adam won’t have to say unpleasant truths about you. Or just go away, which is what I’m sure he’s hoping.
To those saying it’s a great mistake for him to trash talk the same people who will support him: the very zealous Soul Patrol and legion of Claymates certainly brought greatness and success to Taylor and Clay AMIRITE?
I was just at the Philly concert and we went early to be at the barricades before the show. Five came out including Kris and they were great. We laughed about the heat and we were all sweaty even them but that is part of it. Michael bought us all water. We are willing to do this to show our appreciation and vice versa. No one was grabby or overzealous, it was civilized. After the show all but Adam came out and it was once again civilized. We chanted for Adam but nope. We asked Matt if he was coming and he said “Adam never comes out, he sends us instead.” How are we to interpret that? Everyone standing near me knew about the throat issue and doctor order thing but his hand is not broken. We all left disappointed, pissed and confused. He was the only one. I got 9 autographs but I wanted his the most. We fans put him where he is and we can take him out of that place too. He did a great show but c’mon. When I read those comments he makes, I get angry again. All the idols have crazies but that doesn’t stop them from signing and meeting,why does Adam feel he is above that now?
I’m a die-hard but didn’t do the barricades:D I was at the d.c. show anyway and no one came out. I never suggested going to the barricades but I told my parents about people going to the barricades to meet the idols when people were leaving during the end of the show. At first they shared this look like ohhh shit and then they tried changing the subject like that’s stupid and they were probably just trying to beat traffic. LOL. I never wanted to go to the barricades but I think they thought I did and their reaction was funny. and I don’t blame him for calling fans smelly . I know everyone here hares idletard but from of the pictures there u can just tell they would be smelly. If Adam’s a diva I think he deserves to be so I don’t care:D can someone summarize the other stuff in the interview like the music and other unimportant crap like that.
lol, thought I will try the “refreshing honest” and ” brutally blunt” and “adorably unfiltered” thing too.
LMAO ding ding ding we have a winner :drunk_tb:
I’m hoping you both get your wish. I’m pretty sure the collaboration was with both Ferras and Alisan. With luck that will be the ballad. I haven’t listened to Alisan’s stuff yet, but Ferras’s Rush is so gorgeous I can’t stop playing it.
Well if you’ve seen how the Kangaroo looks like, you can understand his frustration/bemusement LOL:
http://i30.tinypic.com/2lln2p1.jpg
“The kangaroo probably came from a fan who lives in Australia. A faux pas by Adam if that’s the case.”
But there are some smaller than 4 feet tall kangaroos in Australia, aren’t there?
Mj, may I ask how you see Adam Lambert, just out of curiosity, it seems that something in him really irritates you if I’m not wrong. That’s all right but I’m curious what it is.
Nothing irritates me so far, although I see some of his shortcomings. But he is not violate or has any bad intentions on purpose. His shortcomings are pretty integrate with this character I think, his heart is in right place though, even in his bad moments. He is a good person.
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About sobering some of the people with his words. He stands against much bigger force than his own independence of mind and bravery. Public, media, people’s opinion.
Look what happened with Michael Jackson, and he was a fighter. But all his life he was trying to hide his acne, his vertigo, his attempts to look youthful and handsome ( plastic surgeries) just to look a part, look like a performer should in his and public’s opinion: spotless, youthful, handsome, perfect. Isn’t it better to make it clear from the very beginning (at least to try to make it clear) where other people’s right ends and the performer’s begins instead of catering to other people will all their life.
I always disliked this opinion that celebrities have less right to privacy, that their life is supposed to be open for everyone to look into it. Is it really so? from human point of view? Do they give up the right for their own privacy and right to live when they become famous? I don’t think so. That’s potential for tragedy as we all know from facts.
ROFL!! Maybe from now on his stinky fans will remember to put their deodorant in their purse so they can put some extra on before the crowd pushing at the barricade.
It doesn’t bother me at all that he said this, I think its funny. I mean he’s just telling the truth… I’m sure a lot of them DO stink, haha, being out in the heat waiting on him to come out and all those bodies up against eachother at the barricades. ewwww. I don’t blame him, haha
Maybe he is getting back at his fans for making fun of him posing as the micheline guy? We did have several days of hilarious fun at his expense…
For the lulz. I mean… that sounds TOTALLY like something I would give someone. He could just deflate it and save it to use as a conversation piece later.
No you can’t. And the show was what you paid for.
Well really it is not a matter of bad hygiene – in the humidity you can shower and be a sweet as a rose when you left home but 10 minutes out in the heat esp with a lot of similarly hot and sweaty people, let alone dancing all concert long, the rose is off the bloom – and oftentimes performers are lot more sweaty than the fans and true fans don’t care, they understand, just saying.
Of course I would not stand out in the sun for anything or anyone, you’ll find me sipping on some cool libations in a cool spot before or after a concert. Neither would I buy gifts, I paid for my ticket and will pay for any future albums so that’s my gift to any artist.
Adam does come off however sounding a bit diva-ish. Did Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood have such problems with overzealous fans or not? If he hits it as big as some of his fans expect, however will the poor boy deal with all those crazy fans?
He’d be better off saying his skin can’t handle the UV rays.
If he had insulted their hygiene, it would have been a headline. lol.
I know there is a lot more to your post but this just jump out as Scorned! Matt fodder. I hope he gets signed soon because he’s starting to get testy.
what the where now? (link? lol)
Blake has a similar lack of filter, but I don’t remember him ever calling we his fans smelly (out loud, anyway) :tongue1_tb:
THe truth is the truth!! Smelly ppl stink. I would think alot of us think it but would not say it. I had an employee who had a smelly issue. Nobody would work with or around him. I finally had to address the situation. Not easy, but necessary. And that was just one person. Fans at the barricades sweaty and stinky after a concert, YUK!!
Think about the smell at a carnival/fair in the heat of the summer. Thats why I avoid them.
And, I am one of those ppl who has to really protect my personal space around me. It may come off as stand offish, I just dont want anyone up in my face, cuz now on top of everything else, I have to deal with others bad breath!!!!
And, I dont think fans will be lost over a comment like this. I say “Bravo”!! no big deal.
“You say that as if ‘hanging with the fans’ is a normal every day occurance for celebrities. Let me assure you, it is NOT.”
But Adam is not a regular celebrity. He is famous for American Idol where fans’ votes make your career. Traditionally, you’re supposed to be very thankful on the tour by going to the Meet and Greets. The barricade stuff is OTT for me.
I’m in total agreement with this. IMO, (a) If people are offended by that comment they need to give their heads a shake and grow some thicker skin; (b) I don’t care *how* he got to where he is right now, everyone has the right to request (hell, I’d go so far as to use the word ‘demand’) that their personal space be respected; and (c) perhaps it’s because this is the first time I’ve ever paid more than cursory attention to any celebrity, but I do NOT understand how/why anyone gets all overwrought, possessive, overly-analytical and just plain whacko over someone they have less than zero chance of ever actually knowing on a personal level (not that that sort of behaviour would be acceptable in any circumstance…).
Again, totally agree! It IS creepy – and LOL @ the Dante reference! I’ve never done the barricade thing and I’m about 500% sure I never ever will. If I did I’d probably end up being charged with assault for slugging some shrieking idiot who repeatedly insisted on invading MY personal space, never mind the celebrity’s in question, LOL. Besides which, the whole thing just seems like an exercise in futility to me – you have no guarantee that you’ll meet celebrity-X, and even if celebrity-X just so happens to appear and is standing directly in front of you, there is absolutely no chance of having any sort of meaningful conversation with him/her. And in the meantime, you’re in the middle of a screaming pack of rabid Nutballs who push and shove and shriek right in your ears. What in the name of ALL of Dante’s levels of hell is the freakin’ point, I ask you?!
…I guess I’m damn lucky that *I’m* not a celebrity, ‘cuz I’d likely end up being a wacky recluse, lmao – “Don’t look at me, don’t touch me, don’t even breathe in my general direction!”
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I think the majority of Adam’s fans are cool (I think I am). Look at the ones here. I’m also sure Adam thinks the majority of his fans are cool too. He actually has gotten some nice gifts, especially from his fan groups, and they’ve also donated a lot of money to his charity. If he was so brutally honest, why would he say he loves his fans and wouldn’t be where he is w/o them?
Come on! The “little sweaty, little smelly” comment is hilarious! It’s diva ish sure, but cute.
Adam doesn’t do sweat. His statement reminds me of my princessy 12 year old daughter who doesn’t do sweat either.
Remember that behind the scenes video (I think it was during the season) where Adam is wiping his brow with a handkerchief to remove any excess perspiration?
Maybe fans should bring their own handkerchiefs to keep their brows dry. Ha!!
This exactly. He also ranted about a crazy italian lady and New Jersey = Mafia for him. I saw a few comments that were offended by it on another blog, but not another word.
I’s so amused that MJ needed to think about whether or not to put a thread of Kris’ CUTE interview with Slezak where he spill a couple of songwriters (music relevant, people), but not even hesitated to put this tabloid piece of Adam because of one word. lolz
ETA, And bamm, we got almost 150 comments in 1 hour while Kris’ interview thread only had like 30 in 4 hours. No wonder media love to throw Adam’s name whenever possible.
LOL All these comments are kind of priceless. Haters gonna hate. Batshit crazies gonna love.
If it makes anyone feel any better, I just read on another message board that Adam apparently deflated the Kangaroo and sent it back to LA. He didn’t throw is away or use it as a punching bag. Which, lol that’s what I would have done.
If I can find the link to the interview where he said it, I’ll post it.
We’re not kingmakers, we’re just people who pay to see these guys perform. We give them money and support, they give us a performance. I get having different opinions on what Adam said, but I will never understand why people get upset if he doesn’t come out. Maybe I’m wrong, but regular singers and musicians don’t seem expected to sign autographs after every show, and when I see Broadway shows the actors (particularly if they’re really famous and more likely to be mobbed) often don’t come out after the show and that’s the issue, IMO, with a show like AI–it seems like because people voted to get these guys where they are, they feel like they’re owed more after the show ends.
Yes, the song Adam wrote was with Ferras and Alisan–I forgot to mention her. And IA, Rush if lovely and haunting–precisely the kind of vibe I’d like for Adam’s ballad. So, hopefully that’s the song, and hopefully it’s good. :)
If you go to another show let me know.Talking to right graud peeps about making” Extra Strength barricade graud” So adam won’t :cry_tb: when he goes out there. :lol_tb:
I’m saying this as an Adam fan, but he does come off a little bit as wanting to have it both ways, but who wouldn’t? There is always going to be a certain section of fans that are going to be gross and inappropriate. Should you let it go because you want their money, or tell them how you feel and take the loss?
If three weeks of vocal rest/sick/cold/flu/laryngitis hasn’t been a big enough hint, this should do the job.
So, don’t stand in that blazing afternoon sun for 2 hours, hoping to get Adam’s autograph. He has never signed them in the afternoons anyway, and it will just make you smelly and sunburned.
And don’t bother standing in line at night either. Because after standing and dancing for his whole set, and screaming for 15 solid minutes, then pushing and shoving at the barricades, you definitely smell.
Don’t flame me guys but if Adam’s Idol fan base was mostly hot guys in their 20s, I think he’d make more time for the M&Gs, barricades, etc. I’m not sure how excited he is in meeting little kids, grandmas, soccer moms.;0
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He’s divorcing himself from AI, which is good in the long run.
Anastasia, I don’t think any of the ppl here are questioning that he has a right to feel that way (I’m sure all the Idols secretly do sometimes) just that it might’ve been better not to say it. But I agree with your points ;)
jpfan I agree except that I think he likes the kids. He’d probably be out more if it were a crowd of little kids, too.
Ha, no flaming. I mean, I do think that a fair amount of this has been that he genuinely was sick and wanted to rest his voice, but obviously some of it is a distaste for the intensely crazy, screaming, clawing crowds–he seems to attract more of that frenzy, unfortunately, than any of the others. So, if the fans waiting were hot, fairly calm guys, he’s probably be out there a bit more, apart from the sickness. :)
Although actually, as someone else said, I think he likes meeting the younger fans who are just cute and excited. It’s the older teens/women who really shriek and grab who ruin the fun–like the ones that Daughtry mentioned as trying to claw him and rip off his wedding ring(!).
Heck if that was case I would go to the barricades just to stand next them.
That’s probably who he though his fans were gonna be.
Adam during the finale: “WOW! 100 million votes. Damn, that’s at least 100 Macy’s full of cute guys!”
I think Alisan submitted a few songs of her own for his album (I might be wrong) and someone mentioned she wrote on her blog that she had gotten a very positive phonecall from Adam the other week.
ROTFLOL. I think I might too
SLOW DOWN GUYS AND GIRLS I CAN NOT LAUGH AND READ THAT FAST.
Seriously, what IS he going to do with a 4 foot inflatable kangaroo?
(This thread is so funny, it finally made me quit lurking and post!) ROFL
Hot guys in their 20s who are small and southern?
Hmm I think someone got it right when they said if it was a bunch of sweaty young men, might be a different reaction.
So all you peeps who apparently use space age deodorant or have no sweat glands whatsoever, I think though you die without them, so that you don’t drop one bead of sweat in 100 degree weather with 100 per cent humidity, do tell us your secret because I for one don’t know anyone that perfect, even Adam. I bet that leather jacket smells quite ripe by now unless they have more than one.
Uhhh, if I were him, I’d still feel weird. Remember, those fans are totally strangers. I’d never feel comfortable letting those sweaty, smelly hands touch me.
Anytime I see the fans made him I have to laugh.imho it’s stupid . the show and their performances did it. their actions. fans will buy music. I don’t think their voting has anything to do with celebrities. and if u feel that way just stop voting . I feel the same way about hearing American idol makes dreamscome true. I think Adam said it best it’s JUST A PLATFORM!!!
Well, he needs to buy a house with a pool, so he can keep the kangaroo there. He can use it as a come-on; wanna come home to my place and see my inflatable kangaroo?
They always are. The weird part is that I could have written them out before reading the thread.
Contingent 1: That’s so cute! Adam is funny. Hahaha
Contingent 2: Diva! I can’t stand him.
Contingent 3: I like Adam but I am insulted. Boo.
Contingent 4: MJ you are a hater!
Contingent 5: What about Kris?
Contingent 6: Adam is right! You people are freaks.
Contingent 7: Bemused detachment, at least until its your favorite (Yes, I am guilty. LOL.)
Still, its a fun way to spend an afternoon!
LOL! I knew this would make the front page.
Whut?!! I’m new to AI folks, can someone please fill me in.
DEfan , It was not inside knowledge. It was two other NYC Glamberts and myself on a 3-way conf call with the tour sched in front of us (yes, we are nuts). We were trying to figure out how Kris & Adam went back and forth. Too close to fly, to expensive for the whole tour bus. Plus, the costs of Kris & Adam coming to NYC on their own were not part of the tour and had to be accounted for on a separate basis anyway. (financial person here.) Then when I saw the pics this morn, I knew I was right about a van.
Oh my – that is special. How was he supposed to keep that on a BUS!
I don’t know why exactly but this B.O.-gate (thanks, Will!) just strikes me as hilarious. I usually hate controversy (yeah, I know, poor me as an Adam fan) and cringe at the many -gates, but this is just really funny to me. And let’s be honest, if you listen, Adam is saying it in a very playful way and he was asked specifically about crazy-fan encounters. So yeah, when it comes to crazy, over-zealous fans it’s not a stretch to think they may be a little hygiene- challenged, what with all the stalking and following and waiting and pouncing.
steve@2:21 me too!
Dang I’ve got laundry to do, but I keep coming back for more!!
Thanks MJ for posting & all of you for the laughs (2 many to quote)
Actually Kangaroo-gate has been brought up before in a previous interview. I think he mentioned something like he had it shipped back home LMAO.
Teehee, I happen to be in a few of these contingents (1, 6, and 6 (uh you have 2 sixes))
Well perhaps Adam is phobic like Howie Mandel.
Adam has spoken about kids many times, and he adores them. Have you noticed how he flirts with many women. He may not want to go to bed with them, but he loves them. I don’t think the demographic of who’re at the barricades has anything to do with why Adam doesn’t go out there.
LMAO!!! I’m almost as far away from The South (in terms of North America) as one can be (Canada, Pacific Northwest), but I *totally* get this (and love it)!! Similar to something I am very fond of saying in describing guys that are great as eyecandy but no way in hell would I ever consider dating them – “He’s totally gorgeous, but dumb as a sackful of hammers!”
Maybe there’s a potential endorsement deal in this for extra strength deodorant or other hygiene products. He could hold up some antiperspirant and say “Now this is what my fans need. They really stink!” Glamberts everywhere will make it the bestselling stuff on the market.
Anything about Adam gets everywhere. He should know that which is why this was such a dumb thing to say. They should duct tape his mouth when he’s not singing for the rest of the tour. Actually maybe they are since he’s been MIA at every fan and press encounter for awhile.
I’m sorry, but I have to ask. Do you really think chanting is civilized? And is it really fair to ask the other Idols where Adam is as if they are personal assistants? True, his hand isn’t broken, but if he came out to sign while on vocal rest, he would *still* be criticized for nodding his head and smiling rather than speaking. He’s not going to win in this situation, not matter what the reason.
Sorry. I guess I just don’t understand the whole barricades thing. I’ve been to Broadway shows and rock/pop concerts and Vegas productions and television tapings and cable show launch parties. But even when I met a performer or celebrity, never did I feel inclined to obtain their autograph. I certainly wouldn’t have felt entitled to it.
Ticket or invitation is for a show and I truly believe that’s all the performer owes.
That’s interesting–I had only heard about the song with Ferras and Alisan, and I remember Adam tweeted about that song. I do remember the speculation over the positive phone call–I hope it’s that their song is going to be used, though Alisan did say something at one point about potentially providing backing vocals on some songs, so it could just be that.
We shall see. :) I’m also so, so interested to hear what his song with Sam Sparro is going to sound like. I feel like that’s likely to be one of the funkier or vibier songs, and while I know that 19E can force good songwriters to produce sludge, I have hope for this collaboration.
160 comments and counting…Priceless!
How dare he? Poor plastic Kangaroo.
I’m with you. However, this is so entertaining!
As lulz go,, this is the best thread evah!!
LOL!
LMAO!!
I guess my first question is why is Adam doing interviews if he is on vocal rest? :confused_wp:
I love my conspiracy theories and while I totally believe that Adam has been having vocal issues, I still think something is happening behind the scenes or has happened behind the scenes to make him gun shy where fans are concerned. I think there’s lots we don’t know…..other than some fans need to use some body spray before meeting their Idols.
Sounds like a plan of action.. don’t bring the younger kids mom pay the college kids to come with you then you can get Adams scrawled AL on somethin. :lol_ee:
Maybe I’m just having a bad day but I find this comment really offensive.
It was a stupid comment for Adam to make, and he shouldn’t have made it.
However, why would anything he says or does put me off to buying his album if it’s good? I could care less if artists are assholes. (For the record: I’m not saying Adam is an asshole.)
I fixed it. Thanks!
Frankly, I was thinking the same thing about Kris’ plaid shirt. I hope he has a lot of those, because he’s ALWAYS wearing it!
Oh, now I remember! Alisan said she had submitted songs for Adams album in an interview concerning one of her other projects. It should be on her blog. I don’t know if she meant the ferras song but I got the impression she meant songs of her own making.
Errrr.. I don’t know whether to say fuck or LOL!
I’ll sleep on itm VFTW and Perez will be all over this soon.
For now,LOL!
When I heard the interview this morning, which I had no problem with, I knew it was only a matter of time before this sh—- happened. Personally, I’m glad Adam is sooo fired up about his album!!
I agree that overzealous fans are a problem. And I don’t really get the need to shower their faves with gifts, understanding that they are living in confined space on a tourbus – now you want to talk about stinky, how ever is Adam coping with that, I have heard bands talk about the stink factor from their bandmates esp males, bwah.
And if Adam wants to divorce himself from AI fans fine but wait until your first album is out, sugar plum. You will need everyone with $20 to spare OK.
Has there been anyone however in Idol history that has refused to meet their fans out at the buses ever, not even people just as immensely popular as oh David Cook, Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood. It is part of the gig if you ask me. Adam has managed to get away with not doing and I wouldn’t blame other contestants for being snarky about it.
Love this guys honesty……good for you Adam…nothin wrong with telling it like it is…..and when he said smelly……could have been a perfume, cologne, statement, people blow things so out of proportion it is sad…Can’t wait for his CD to come out…..get back to the important stuff folks…
I just had to comment on this one. ppl dont realize Adams status as of AI tour is that of Elvis, MJ, the Beatles, etc. These ppl want to eat him alive. Im on twitter alot, thats another story.
Smelly yeah, after all day, Ive heard the stories, waiting for hours, blah blah and also we have the “older fans” which I am considered in that catagory, so no offence. These women wear the most gross smelling perfumes, and add sweating with that, puke!
Adam, poor thing, is one of those that fame will ruin his regular life, but as I call him SOS {Sex on Stage} is just one of those phenoms.
I hope ppl will quit trying to disect every single word that comes out of his mouth. He may be cool, calm, and collected. But, he sure isnt use to all this.
Lets Just enjoy! SOS!! FTW!! :tongue_wink_ee:
BEST THREAD EVER!!!!!!!!!!!! even better than michelin man becuz I hated that.LMAO tinawina!
I listened to the interview and thought it was funny! He was clearly joking around, talking off the top of his head, unfiltered. I did not get an undercurrent of “I hate the middle age women fans”(altho, I suspect any rational guy — gay or straight — in his mid/late 20s would be a little freaked out by the OTT reaction of women who could be their mother or grandmother)…Adam appears to generally do the official, organized, indoor meet and greets….but he is avoiding the barricades — so what –seems like avoiding the 7th circle of hell to me….yes, the others come out, but from what I have read and seen the screaming/pushing/craziness reaches a whole different level when he came out. And I think he did try to put a stop to all the weird OTT gifts by asking people to instead donate to donorschoose.org– an excellent charity. Lighten up everyone!
this probably isn’t going to to anywhere. It’s been around for a while.
And may I take the time for a friendly PSA because, Rolling Stone magazine scans are up on ONTD_AI. lulz
http://community.livejournal.com/ontd_ai/1905356.html
I am with Sunn WTF is this about:
BTW have you guys seen those awesome backstage RS pics? Awesome
Adam said some are smelly. So, most of “us” aren’t. That’s a real compliment.
I guess we will know if kris is sweaty or smelly adam won’t hang with him. :lol_tb:
Oh damn. LMAO!
clearone
Aug 21st, 2009 at 2:32 pm
I guess my first question is why is Adam doing interviews if he is on vocal rest?
That radio interview was done for the 1st day of the Long Island show August 11th, which was what, 7 shows ago. It doesn’t seem like he’s done any press since that show. I think that was before the next show that they announced the vocal rest or maybe that show.
Stinky, smelly barricade crowd=germs!!!!
Hmmm. This is a weird AI-land viewpoint. For example, I am a huge Ryan Adams fan. He is constantly dissing some band/town/whatever. He married freaking Mandy Moore. He frequently behaves like a diva/asshole. I still buy everything he puts out. It would never dawn on me to shake my little fist and spout the “we made you we can break you” line. I probably would draw the line if he set fire to a baby though.
ETA @tinawina … you are hilarious. So want to change my username to contingent6 now.
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I love this place!
Not just you. I’m tired of the “haha-he’s gay” comments myself.
At least it puts a “smelly” comment in perspective.
Let us do some survey here.
Any Adam fan here think he/she is one of the smelly ones?
I don’t think I’m so his comment is not directed to me and I’m not hurt. :lol_tb:
I’m sorry for those who feel hurt.
Kris spilled NO information, as was his plan. Those two songwriters are insignificant–a couple of nobodies from 19’s usual stable of boring songwriters. If there was some real info, I would have posted it faster, and there would have been more comments than just 30.
Love Adam; that “smelly” comment, not so much. (It would be a funny comment, if he were a 6-yr old, maybe…)
I didn’t listen to the interview and don’t plan to, but just from what I have read, Adam probably should have kept that to himself.
Let me say this about Adam and his “no filter” sorry, but what is so great about that???? Adam needs to learn to filter what he says like the rest of us.
I will buy his CD, see him in concert and support him in most things, but really, the man needs to learn a bit of tact. He’s a smart guy; I am sure he will learn what not to say as time goes buy.
I don’t need or want another politically correct performer — I like Adam unfiltered. I don’t recall The Beattles, Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, Green Day, Kurt Colbain, Elton John or any great pop or rock star — across the musical spectrum — being politically correct either.
I agree, as far as I can tell there is only one new thing in this interview ‘“ he described some fans as ‘a little sweaty, A little smelly ‘“’. Adam has said EVERYTHING else in this interview before — including talking about dealing with obsessed fans and his lack of privacy. Adam has even mentioned the Kangaroo in at least 4 previous interviews. I believe the first was Adam Lambert Interview 7/18/09 San Diego. Source: The Chaparrel
Adam’s Aussie fan club has only gotten bigger sind July 18, so I think that at least they got the joke in Australia.
Sorry, but this is exactly the sort of attitude that will cause a celebrity to avoid coming into contact with his/her fans. ‘Entitlement’ indeed. If you were in his position what would you do? Rush out to the fans so they can sneer at you because you’re not speaking, on doctor’s orders? Oh please, COULD I?!?? YMMV.
LOL. I think David Cook stopped coming out last year, although not sure at what point during the tour that happened.
Plaid shirts can be washed every night or easy to buy several but Adam’s leather jacket is custom made and leather can only be cleaned by a specialist, unless they have some special lining or removable lining in there, just saying…….
Oh Adam. What a stupid thing to say. Doesn’t effect my loving him. But it was dumb to say. He needs his sleep so he can get his brain attached back to his mouth and get his feet out of it.
129Aquarias- see ya in Detroit. Sold out 20k seats!!
Perez opted for the crazy fans throwing dildos on stage story instead.
http://perezhilton.com/2009-08-20-adam-lambert-is-not-a-fan-of-dildos
Yeah I suppose you could go there. Although he went out of his way to say that he loved them all. Not *quite* the same attitude and the *sniff* “how rude” contigents, is it?
But then again, everyone needs something to bitch about ;)
Bwahahahaha!
Heh. Just heh.
This is all part of the Adam Lambert image. Having no filter is all part of the ‘dandy’-esque picture MJ had yesterday. It’s the image he wants to project. He doesn’t want to be a class act. He doesn’t even have to treat his fans with respect – because they’ll support him regardless. He wants the bras and the dildos and the crap thrown at him. He’s trying to create buzz. He’s trying to be LordGaga with a little bit of Katy Perry. American Idol’s first edgy Idol. Since he’s already talked about his sexual orientation and about being bi-curious, whatever the hell that means, he’s now mocking the very image of American Idol fans for their Claymatey type behavior. His description of the overzealous fans are exactly what people who don’t follow Idol have mocked or stereotyped as the Idol fanbase — a bunch of Star Trekkie Fans who make Flat Adams and vote for 4 hours a night on a reality TV contestant. Maybe he’ll gain pop cred through this? It’s a tad risky, and maybe he should have waited until after his album dropped.
I lived in Australia for a while and definitely, Aussies are chill enough to get the joke LOL. This BO/Kangaroo gate isn’t going to piss them off ahahahahaha
David Cook stopped coming out after concerts last year mid tour I think, He would meet fans before shows if he had the time after that.
could you guys slow down a bit….I’ve got to go pee!
Did Adam get a purple whip throw up at him another night, now that took some creative thought, bet he kept that gift.
I highly doubt this “story” is going to get any coverage in the mainstram press. I was surprised (and pleased) that his tweet of the Cassidy video didn’t get any coverage — or provoke outrage from some more conservative quarters — so I don’t think the press is waiting to pounce on and dissect his every little move the way they were a while ago. Until his album drops, I think they’ve pretty much moved on.
I just don’t really think Adam cares about his fans. I think he will be on “vocal rest” the rest of the tour.
I think that is an old interview. I agree with you second para. I believe they aren’t allowing Adam to go out. 1) To avoid impending problems, 2) There was already problems with a stalker(s), either overzealous or hater, 3) Complaints from venue people in controlling Adam’s fans (also relating to 1).
This thread ranks as one of most entertaining ever.
Sorry don’t have a link for the vlog David Cook made about his sexually repressed nutso fans but it was EPIC!!! It was at the beginning of his tour I believe. Pelvic thrusts to the camera and a come hither look then the comment “was it good for you” or something like that. Just imagine what David and Adam have to put up with and they actually had the gonads to say something about it. I’m waiting for uber cool calm and collected Kris to snap lose it because of crazy fans. hehe
nevermind, move along.
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Deleted to go with the lulz instead.
Oh yeah, that armed with a gun crazy stalker that is at every show, but it is fine to let the other 9 idols and 15,000 civilians go mingle with her.
I forgot that one. I need to add it to my list.
OMG, LMAO!!!
OMG ! The mystery appearence of Wolfgange the SKUNK has been solved! Obviously the smelly fAns has been a topic of jokes on the bus.
MJ, thank you thank you thank you.
I haven’t had such an entertaining read in… years?
Seriously… hilarious. Utterly hilarious.
I wonder where Adam is meeting the majority of these fans that he says are smelly at. He rarely ever comes out in the afternoon, I don’t think that he comes out at night very often, and he’s also starting to miss some of the After Parties. I guess he could have met them at the very few times he did do the barricades and/or during some of the times at the After Parties.
I don’t think that Adam is really into the Meet and Greets with the fans. I don’t think that he really wants to spend a lot of time interacting with his fans in that way. And I have thought this before I read that he said that some of his fans were smelly.
True. If he’s trying to run off fans he’s being incredibly short-sighted. Some of these fans will leave on their own once the new season starts up so you don’t have to encourage them. Besides, people who reek spend money too. Why sell less when you can sell more?
I think its kinda funny.. haha.. And ..I mean..with how long some fans have waited in the hot sun.. or.. how much they jumped up and down during his set..and are all sweaty after the show.. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of them did smell..hahaha.. I don’t think he meant it as an offense..there are some crazies out there.. I can’t recall..if when I was waiting by the buses If I screamed in his face…or smelled.. I’m pretty sure I didn’t… I took extra time this day to make sure I was fresh and clean. And.. when I did see him up close.. I was dumb struck by how gorgeous he is.. so I couldn’t really.. say..or do much..but stand there and stare… so yeah… :mrgreen_wp:
I’m not so sure if this was so much planned, as the fact that he sounds completely tired when he did the interview and clearly was being in his natural state of un-PRness LOL.
Well Kris just called America a nation of people with ADD in Rolling Stone. Does that help contribute to this cause? LOL
God, that is one UGLY kangaroo; I would have the same reaction as Adam did; “Ummm, WTF am I supposed to do with this…” LOL! I suppose he can be thankful it was just a kangaroo and not a blow-up party sheep…….
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:jittery_tb: :laugh_tb: This is seriously the funniest thread I have read in a long time! Good times, good times.
Crap it’s 3AM for me and this thread is keeping me up
I don’t even know where to begin with this LULZ
Uh, leave it to the New Zealanders for it.
I think in Singapore, we’ll have blow-up baby Orang Utans
mj, you are a smart journalist. You knew you would get a rise out of people at both ends of the spectrum. This is Adam. People either love him or hate him, and both love to talk about him.
Adam, tell that dogs are better than cats or vice versa, please. I think that only here this ancient problem might be solved once and for all.
If that were true, it would be HILARIOUS!
He needs to learn some tact
So unnecessary and avoidable IMO
Since Aug 11Th and it still found it’s way to the blog
Ivyrae..we have a group meeting outside the Palace lockerroom store on ground level at six o’clock. We are a group that don’t feel entitled to anything but a fabulous performance by our bb!!! See you there?
He insulted a whole nation?!! Say it ain’t so.
I refuse believe it until I see it posted in it’s own thread. LOL
It’ll never happen, won’t generate enough hits or comments..lol.
Duh, if you hate him, cut him out of all the news here. I’m sure that’ll do wonders to your business.
“I just don’t really think Adam cares about his fans. I think he will be on ‘vocal rest’ the rest of the tour.”
Don’t say that!
You will ruin Simon Fuller
When the rumour spreads.
Wolfgang appeared in Kris’ pocket, because Kris had told the whole Twitterverse that Noop smelled bad. He said that he “live”d him anyway. When they set Wolfgang free, Noop twittered that if you “live” someone, you have to set them free.
Now you know the whole smelly truth.
LOL!!! THAT is hilarious.
I wonder if Adam has been barraged with tweets on Twitter, yet.
That’s true, he does need a bit of a filter, for his own sake.
Not yet, so far it’s all about I love you Adam, and dildos on stage. LOL
Adam fans are clearly loving No filter and Edgy Adam. Why not go further out there then to try and pick up more fans? He doesn’t have to mock the franchise and the Idol platform – and won’t, because that would be stupid. However, mocking fanatical or OTT behavior? Happens all the time on Late Night shows and people love it. There are entertainers and performers that don’t care to be thought of as a ‘nice person’. It’s a job and a career. Idol gave Adam a great career opportunity. If he doesn’t want to go to the buses or meets fans, he really doesn’t have to. And since it’s clear that some of his fans have no social boundaries, well, then it’s his choice. But he didn’t have to make the comment, but did. If he ever does choose to do the bus lines, maybe fans can give a glittery mask to help his delicate sensibilities. Heh. But hey, at the end of the day, LadyGaga doesn’t seem to care about whether people like her and her music gets played and people buy it. It’ll all come down to his music – and hopefully no babies will be involved then either.
^^^^^^ THIS THIS THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Totally agree. Adam IS a class act. Like it or not. :o)
David Cook did not stop coming out to sign last year. He was out at many of the afternoon signings up until the very end.
He may have stopped going to the after-concert barricade signings at one point, though.
Maybe he’s not and why should he have to be? His job is to perform onstage not sign autographs and collect stupid gifts. The neediest of AIers, the ones who sign autographs and devote hours to their fans often have absolutely nothing to show for it by the end because the AI fans are fickle. Not every singer/actor does meet and greets. It doesn’t seem to be a character flaw, I’m sure he likes people just fine, but maybe Adam believes his job is done once he finishes his performance. Others believe the fan interaction is part of the job. To each his own.
Most celebrities appreciate their fans and say so. Why on earth do they also have to pose for pictures and hug fans in order to prove they mean it?
Mock away Adam… there is so much material to work with.
how do the words “a little sweaty… a little smelly” generate 220 comments? seriously.
Is Adam REALLY that big a star that every word he speaks will be analyzed and mulled over to this degree?
Reading the words it can come off kind of unfavorable but if you actually took the time to LISTEN to the interview you could hear the light hearted tone in his voice.
It seems to me, even as a Kris fan, that some people will use ANY excuse and opportunity to tear Adam down which confuses me to no end quite honestly.
Even you, MJ, seem to take great pleasure in casting Adam in the most unflattering light possible.
Out of an entire interview that also included him saying how much he loves and appreciates his fans and how he recognizes that he wouldn’t be where he is without them and you pick the six words which will ingnite the most negative comments against Adam.
I have to question if the same focus would’ve been placed if it had been Kris who said the fans were a little smelly? I’m guessing not cuz it would’ve been seen as adorable and just Kris being young and inexperienced.
As for the barricades and Adam not coming out, personally when I went to my show I was thankful that he didn’t come out. The crowds were out of control and I can’t even fathom how rough it would’ve gotten had he stepped out those doors.
People need to understand that we pay for the concert and nothing more. Adam didn’t win so IMO he’s not really obligated to partake in the barricades to the same degree as Kris. Kris is the Idol. Kris is who people should want to see the most. and even Kris doesn’t go out every night.
so the comment has expanded from a little sweaty/little smelly to reeking? wow… this is how things get blown out of proportion. and I guess his continued graciousness and thanks to the fans for their support are all nullified by simply stating the fact that people sometimes are a little smelly.
I’m not anymore offended by Adam saying the fans are a little smelly than I was when Kris said America has ADD.
Please, no. Think about it. What would we have to lulz about today if not this. I bet Adam is sitting back shaking his head at the insanity that one little comment in an interview has generated. Besides, I for one was really happy to see this bubble to the surface of the news media. It’s pushing aside the dildo thing which I think is much worse for his image.
Tinawina, you forgot one item on your list:
Dragging other Idols into the discussion in all of the predictable ways. LOL.
I am sorry but my observations of Adam at three different events, CBS Morning Show, and two different private concert events, was that he was gracious to everyone and was as charming to his old and young fans, and anyone else. He was actually really amazing at one AP with 2 young girls, maybe 6 and 8 — he moved down to their level so he was eye-to-eye with them and spoke in a calm, reassuring way because they were really intimidated by him and didn’t know what to say. He easily had twice as many people waiting to see him as anyone else but took time with everyone.
But frankly, here’s a few of the over 100 Adam signing autographs on YouTube, does this really look like someone who doesn’t like signing autographs?
Adam Signing in Glendale AZ
Adam Lambert Signing Autographs Staples Center
But here is a video of Atlanta signing and you can see that there was an issue with fans pushing against the barricades to try to get to Adam.
Adam Lambert signing
And by Newark, NJ he was wearing neon green earplugs for the signing.
Adam Lambert Signing august 8th 2009 Newark NJ
But in none of the videos was Adam every nasty or rude to a fan. There’s now hundreds of hours of Adam with fans — I haven’t watched all of it, but I looked at lot — and there is not one moment where he is rude to anyone on video.
Four foot kang? That pic looked like it was close to six foot.
Nah. Let him say whatever the fuck he wants. His candor is refreshing in a country so over wrought with anxiety over political correctness. So what if he thinks some of his OTT fans smell. If it isn’t you, laugh. If it is, maybe you should clean up a bit eh? lol
ETA: MJ, I meant to say David Cook stopped coming out to the barricades at some point. I don’t know about the M&Gs.
CindyM
“As far as being a class act?? Besides thanking the fans, he never fails to thank the show, the band and almost every interviewer talks about how polite and accomodating he is to them. Other contestants have talked about how helpful and supportive a person he is. One of the other radio interviewers, I think also from Long Island, thanked Adam because they were only allotted a few minutes with each Idol and Adam went way over that time limit and he loved him for that. The charity he recommended DonorsChoose has already collected over $11,000 for projects for teachers/children in his name. So yeah, he makes mistakes and says things maybe he shouldn’t once in a while, but to say he’s not a class act?? Please.”
THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!! When he was on Idol he thanked the band everytime. He would turn around and give them a salute and would thank them as well when Ryan spoke to him after the performance.
I too have a no filter mouth sometimes and gets me into trouble but I have had friends and co-workers come up to me and say ” I like you or I love you” because you are so honest and very real. No pretend with me. I am who I am and at 48 that aint gonna change.
Adam is going to go through “growing” pains with this whole celebrity thing.
250 comments in two hours… Again mj I have to commend you.
Aw, I came over here expecting to find that very headline! :wink_ee:
I think nothing of it, but then again I’m british, and this kind comment wouldn’t even register on the rude scale with me.
Judging from the comments though, some people do seem to be genuinely upset.
I’m in the group that feels he needs a bit of a filter. “Smelly”…bad choice of words bigtime. One time, not so bad maybe, but if he continues with what can be seen as insults, fans will back off. “The bigger they are, the harder they fall” comes to mind where Adam is concerned. Best be a little more cautious young man. :nono_tb:
Wait. What were we talking about again?
MJ thank you for your post @2:41 because when you pulled it from headlines & I saw it, my first thought was, Oh sh–! I have to get on there & post again so my BB Kris can have some hits!!
Best thread ever for a Friday afternoon, especially with no concert tonight!!
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See scanned article here:
http://community.livejournal.com/ontd_ai/1905356.html
David Cook did not always come out. And David has said a thing or two about the fans and his bus.
When I was at the barricades in Newark someone came out and there was screaming. I asked my two twitter friends who I had just met and had been there the night before if that was Adam coming out. They said there would be no question if it was Adam. (It turned out to be Kris.)
That’s what I keep saying. Most of us smell like a rose. For those who don’t, get a clue. Maybe you’re not just offending Adam — could be others you are offending but don’t want to say it. And you know what? You don’t always realize how smelly you can get. I had a friend say that to me many years ago when I had been dancing for many hours, changed my clothes (no time for shower), and met her. She said I stunk.
Probably thanks to MJ’s blessing edit weapon?
Thank you MJ for this. Otherwise this will be another boring non-concert day. :thumbup_tb:
LOL! You need to edit that one in there.
Also, “Lets see how many people I can get mad”. :laugh_tb:
Clearly, some of the fans are overzealous, some will be smelly (especially in the heat), some are too touchy-feely and what the fuck are you supposed to do with an inflatable kangaroo?
And, if you listen to the interview, he just sounds tired; not angry or bitchy.
So, unless you paraphrase his words, there’s no problem … unless you want to find or create a problem.
Adam is not the most tactful person in the world. I can understand people being offended at being called stinky and smelly. One thing that is good about people that lack much tact is they tend to more honest and less phony. You see the real person. Some people don’t like touchy feely strangers and being groped. Kris mentioned some of his fans grabbed his butt and abs during pictures, which is so completely inappropiate and disgusting. Adam might not be coming out to the meet and greets for more reasons than vocal rest, if he has to deal with that as well. Everyone says dumb things from time to time, Adam is certainly no exception.
I, for one, think the whole thing is a conspiracy perpetrated by the h8ters. They show up at the barricades reeking, then get their stink all up in Adam’s nostrils. Next thing you know, he thinks it’s HIS fans who smell and publicly scorns them!!!! Well played, h8ters! Well played.
And Adam just in Rochester was out before the show signing autographs as well.
they didn’t do the after concert signings for AI season 1 as far as I recall but even if they did Adam isn’t refusing to meet the fans. he’s on doctor order rest following the performances for the next few stops, he twittered about it last week and even held a twitter party to make up for the disappointment.
I will say when I had my show and was standing at the barricades I literally was gagging at the smell of the lady standing directly beside me. She really did stink not only of B.O. but also of booze. People tend to sweat in the concerts and a lot of them are drinking on top of it and that comes out of their pores and is just disgusting. Can you imagine having to be touched and groped by strangers who smell like B.O. and cheap beer? I can’t.
I’m sure if allison or kris had fans like would grab the back of there necks or put there tongue down there throats they wouldn’t go out SHIT N/M
Sorry. My attempt at humor (lame ADD reference).
Wow. This thread is flying.
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wipedaway: “he’s on doctor order rest following the performances for the next few stops, he twittered about it last week and even held a twitter party to make up for the disappointment.”
Thank you. One Adam related myth busted. Who would like to be the next myth-buster?
I believe that David Cook’s problems with fans really began when he started touring with his band post Idol because then he didn’t have the kind of security in place as was during that tour nor did he have other people to share the limelight with except Ryan Star and his fans are pretty sane.
So if Adam thinks it’s tough now, if he hits it big solo, oh my. Guess he’ll have to get himself the linebacker security team favoured by many artists now.
If the reason Adam does not come out is for security reasons, for the safety of not just Adam but all the other Idols and the fans, fine just say so. It just looks diva-ish when all the other Idols are out there with their smelly fans probably getting all smelly themselves in the heat and humidity. I have visions of Adam being the guy with the Lysol can on the bus because he must be in hell then living on that tourbus. He better sell 100 million copies of his first album and get himself a private jet so he doesn’t have to mingle with any riff raff.
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LOL!
Was anyone who *actually* listened to the audio interview seriously offended by this? Or is this post just for the haters to get their daily jollies? As a fan, I can’t imagine how the statement was remotely insulting to anyone. It’s summer, it’s hot, it’s a concert, people are obviously sweaty and probably smelly and I’m sure they know it. I was definitely gross and sweaty in San Diego–the arena was HOT! Whatever. He didn’t say it to be insulting and I think he’d be shocked that some people are reacting this way.
As for Adam not coming out to the barricades and people being upset, hey, he gave y’all fair warning. He’s also not doing press! Does he hate the press?! No, he’s on vocal rest. Remember all the speculation about Adam hating Twitter? Hey look, he seems to like Twitter. Golly gee…what was it they say about people who assume things again?
I truly don’t think that fans who want to meet an entertainer and actually take his comments about the public personally and such can do much at all about that person’s career.
When you look at the numbers, it seems that people who just buy music and tickets (or don’t) are far far more numerous than the folks who are very very devoted diehards, making the just-listening fans the ones you have to please. Without them, you really are nothing. But that large group buys based on music and entertainment value and not personal connection, I think.
Losing the barricade-diehards can mean the difference between a full house and an 80 or 90 percent house, perhaps. But that’s not enough to kill your career, I’m pretty sure.
Honestly, Adam could personally call me smelly and if I liked his music, I would still buy it and still go seem him in concert. And if I didn’t like his music and shows, I wouldn’t pay for them, no matter how many of my shirts or bras he signed or what nice things he said about me.
Before this game of telephone gets out of hand, let’s please remember he did NOT say “stinky”!! Thank you.
Vada, Vada, Vada. Anoop and Kris have filters. The honest truth is that the guys on the bus came up with a story. The Fans attack Adam like a GANG of WOLVES and they are SMELLY like a SKUNK. Hence, WolfGang the smelly Skunk.
So you know after the signings tonight Adam will ask how it went and all they guys will say, “Man, there were a bunch of Wolfgangs looking for you tonight.”
“Before this game of telephone gets out of hand, let’s please remember he did NOT say ‘stinky’ !! Thank you.”
Thank you! 2nd myth busted.
Adam is going to go through ‘growing’ pains with this whole celebrity thing
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Yeah, you’re right.He’ll learn I guess. I wish he didn’t say it but he said,so fuck it.Next!
I’m lolling @ this thread so bad
Hey, I’m no h8ter! Adam was my fav on the show and still is. I simply weighed in on what I saw as a poor choice of words. “Smelly” is …..well, not nice, lol.
I remember reading this and laughing my headoff… should have been a post for that one too. :-)
But I mean really what would you rather have BO or ADD… :lol_tb:
Hee!
Adam is on vocal rest now???
I thought he would be the last person on the tour to likely to need vocal rest, being a veteran of musical theatre and used to working 6 nights a week and Saturday matinee.
So no one is immune then.
I’m going to enter “Wolfgang” in the Urban Dictionary as slang for “smelly people”.
LOL will and THANK YOU wiped away!!!
OMG too funny!
Geesh! I didn’t see any hate here. The thread is FUNNY. You know….humor?
Where is this supposed h8?
I’m still not buying that whether he mingles or not makes a bit of difference for real world success post AI. The majority of potential buyers probably don’t even know there IS an AI tour, let alone give a shit whether Adam came out to sign/dissed his fans/kicked a dildo. And they’d probably find the whole stinkgate amusing/weird. He needs a good first single and radio play. Period.
Well I don’t think Mozart fans would be happy about that though indeed people of that era were smelly, that is why they invented perfume and cologne. They wore those wigs for a reason too.
I would be absolutely fine with it. Frankly I don’t care enough about Danny to give a toss what he says. The only time I would read a Danny post, is if it somehow involved Adam. :)
ME TOO! :laugh_tb: I guess you guys are bored :tongue1_tb:
All of the Idols deal with this at one point. It’s even harder for Adam (and Kris and Allison) because they don’t even get a chance to rest on their days off, they have to spend it in the studio recording. Between that, the killer tour schedule, the meet and greets (before and after), the press interviews – that’s a LOT of talking and singing.
I just think he’s taking precautions to preserve his voice so he can perform and record at his best.
No!!! The h8tr stuff is part of the amusement! Leave them alone woman! :doh_tb:
Carry on peeps.
I must thank you all… You have made my work day a little brighter wit your comments… So thank you MJ for posting this.. and.. now that I think more about it… maybe I DID smell when I saw him up close.. hmmm…. I did take a shower that day…but I did dance around like a maniac too… Now I’m self conscious….. :rasberry_ee:
Was anyone who *actually* listened to the audio interview seriously offended by this?
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You think they even bothered to listen?Snort!
I made my initial comments before listening to it,,,after I did, I was like Adam noN then laughed and forgot about it. It will pass
Well, this is America, the land of the hygiene obsessed. ADD is actually very socially acceptable…there are drugs for that. And, really, if something has a cheap cure (deodorant) vs. a more expensive treatment (ritalin), it’s always going to look cooler to have the problem with the expensive treatment. :tongue1_tb:
MJ-Way to generate hits, Bravo!
Thing is I heard this radio interview yesterday and didn’t think anyhing of it since I was at the barricades in Tampa and I can attest to the fact that there was some serious B.O. going on and I was probably a contributor because it was fucking hot! Not to mention Adam’s performance had already raised most people’s temperature. LOL!
I didn’t think it was any big deal, but of course it’s Adam so make a headline thread out of it and generate a ton of posts. Unfuckingbelievable!
On the other hand, maybe he’ll have somewhat fewer problems because he will already have chased away some of the more zealous with his negative comments, lol.
Could be part of a plan, actually. Avoiding getting too darned friendly because that only invites more of people feeling entitled to hugs, handshakes, and visits.
That’s be my plan, if I were he. Seems to me plenty of big stars have been aloof as hell and, aside from the occasional unavoidable crazy stalker, may have had less to deal with on this score.
tinawina, your list was so funny and so true! Loved that.
Maybe we should all chip in and send Adam a case of Febreeze. ;)
I don’t find it contradictory that Adam both appreciates his fans but doesn’t want to do the barricades thing. After all, I really like him and the other kids, and I won’t go to a concert because I know that the screaming and so forth would make me feel very cranky. So it makes sense to me. I think that what he said is not a big deal (well of course except that everything he says is a big deal right now), but he probably should be careful not to establish a pattern of sounding condescending about his fans. I think it’s better PR to just stay on the bus and twitter about how much he’d like to see everyone if only he could.
LisaE has a point. Listening to the interview (which is a little hard since there’s so much background noise) Adam comes across far more light and joking as opposed to when you read it.
Much ado about nothing on a concert-less, photo-shoot-less, Wolfgang-less day, I say.
Oh Adam, I hope you become successful because if not, you will be begging for your sweaty smelly fans to come back. What an insensitive thing to say.
If he hits it big solo, he won’t have to watch his words so much because he will have leeway. A lot of big stars have reputations for being bitches, earned or not, and it’s not a big deal. It’s right now that’s toughest in terms of his being psychoanalyzed.
It seems like Adam gets no breaks on anything they say, but he also gets a lot of attention and people are interested in him. It will all just make him more famous. Other nameless finalists can says insensitive things, tweet about drugs, make rude comments about fans and unless it is directed at Adam nobody really seems to care.
With the good (lots of press and buzz) comes the bad (analysis of ever minor comment and action). And Adam is a PR person’s dream — someone who can stay in the press without even doing interviews — and then can usually do really well in an interview. (I think in this interview he sounded tired and like he was just going thru the motions. A bit like the Kris RS Interview about being tired and energy drinks.)
– Adam’s last press interview – August 11th
– Stories since then: Brian May blog about 2012, Robert Sebree photos, “Dildo” throw, and Adam getting hit in concert and asking fans not to throw thing AT him.
And now this silliness is starting the “Diva” stories again.
Adam Lambert: My fans stink Examiner.com (at least it’s not real press yet)
People either love Adam or hate him. So the ones that love him this will mean nothing. The ones that hate him will use it as if he committed treason. Look the Beatles said they were bigger the Jesus and got a huge backlash but ultimately it did nothing to destroy their careers. The fact that whatever he says is studied and dissected to infinity is a testament to how big he will probably be. Evey Iconic star that I can think of have all been controversial and had faux pas in the beginning of their careers and now we anoint them. (Madonna, Elvis, Jim Morrison, Freddy Mecury, Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stones, Michael Jackson, David Bowie, Annie Lennox, etc. etc. etc.) Adam is in good company. In this interview he said many other things about his fans that were good. One word and that is all we can talk about. He must really be that important if this means that much to so many people.
Or “vocal rest” is highly convenient. I don’t recall, just saying, that the two Davids who had equally gruelling schedules last year were ever on vocal rest or if they were it was for very short periods of time. I remember the girls on vocal rest a lot.
Okay wait I have a vision of Archie being out with the fans and he had a sign that he was on Vocal Rest but he was still out there stumping with the fans. That Archie, what a trooper.
Adam and Kris seem to make WTF comment on this thread:
http://www.rollingstone.com/photos/gallery/29775046/on_the_road_with_adam_lambert_and/photo/9
This attitude always gives me a moment of pause. You just said Adam gave a great show and yet you somehow expect more from him than that? and why are you angry? are you one of the sweaty smelly fans he might’ve been referring too? I usually find that when someone is “deeply” offended by comments that would otherwise be easily dismissed it’s because they see themselves in the comment and it makes them uncomfortable.
It’s just so outlandish that a comment so seemingly innocous could get blown out of proportion to this degree.
Here’s the thing, Adam fans didn’t finish their job if you really want to look at it strictly from an AI perspective. They failed him in the end, didn’t they? He would owe his fans a hell of a lot more IF he actually won but the fact remains that Kris won. Kris’ fans got HIM where he is and Kris got the recording contract which was tied to his winning the show. Kris is the Idol and Kris has the obligation to be representative of what that entails, not Adam.
Adam got seond place. He got the contract because of his talent not because of the title. No one was obligated to sign Adam. Rolling Stone wasn’t required to put Adam on the cover, nor was EW.
Adam didn’t say anything that is offensive or outrageous. He said his fans can be a little sweaty and a little smelly and very touchy feely all these things are facts. He also said he loves them all because he knows without their support he wouldn’t be doing what he’s doing. But he’s not their property and every word out of his mouth shouldn’t have to be filted to keep from offending someone’s delicate sensibilities.
The fans don’t have the right to expect anything more than a great show, which as stated above, he’s giving them.
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!! :king_tb:
Given that the vocal problems for Adam and some others seemed to begin cropping up when they were in the Southeast, it wouldn’t surprise me that they are experiencing some allergy problems that they didn’t know they had. That could account for voices being worse off than usual, and lots of people who come to the East coast this time of year develop that sort of thing. It’s very pollen-heavy here these days.
Now you’re taking it too far!! If Danny had said it we’d be talking about how Danny only wanted people to smell Godly and Rightly and how he thought that sweat was the work of the devil and how dare he!! Ya gotta name a less polarizing idol, dude. Maybe if Anoop had said it. LOL
ETA: Oops, maybe you said it to be sarcastically wrong. Sorry, I’m on Nyquil and tylenol and cough drops and some other stuff. I hate summer colds.
I am so glad a fan said that, because I would have been called a h8r.
:lol_tb:
Saying when Adam will be out is a security breach in itself. Saying when he won’t be out is the same as saying when he will be out.
I just like to keep refreshing the page and watch the number of comments increase. Every time I refresh there are seven new ones!It’s like a runaway train.
(And that was comment #322.)
So true. And I think Adam knows it, but meanwhile his interviews can still provide us fodder for tabloid headlines and discussion!
Q3 – my thoughts exactly. Such drama over nothing!!!!!!! Some of the other idols have said a lot worse. Think Sarver, think Gokey, even Kris with the ADD. He was tired, this has been a grind. Very little sleep, lousy food, traveling, no personal time, just slaves to 19. Give the guy a break. How many people posting 300 maybe, very few fans, but the non fans posting at lightning speed. 300 out of how many million fans. No big deal… it will pass. But those of us who love him, will always love him, no matter what.
Dare I ask for a link? Not that I can’t predict every word of the article.
Yep. It’s all downhill from here. Fans pushing and shoving, paparazzi pushing and shoving – they probably stink too. Put on some nose plugs and deal with it.
Yeah. I think you’re right because I honestly don’t know why there are 7 pages on this. lol
Nope. LOL Adam thanks his fans in this interview and says he wouldn’t be where he is without them. This is one of those funny threads where you get to watch people make mountains out of mole hills. haha
Poor Michael. I swear he’s going to need therapy after this.
I so cannot even believe this (okay, I can). I get swamped with work for a few hours and this thread is seven pages long (!). Funny thing is, I read the story this morning from a tweet and was going to bring it to MJ’s but I thought, Meh, this is a dud. Guess not.
Can NO ONE take a joke anymore? And he didn’t call them all smelly. It only takes one smelly person to make an impact. THAT’S what you’ll remember. And if you’re offended, just tell yourself, “Wadn’t me, must have been some other funky stan …”
How many copies of Archie’s album do you own? In other words, so what? Honestly, who in the hell CARES if these guys go to the barricades? If Adam’s fans don’t care, why should his non-fans? What’s it to you? It has zero to do with anything as, unlike the other Idols, Adam is signed and has an album in the works. He doesn’t need to build a desperate fanbase who will give him Myspace plays and street team and send out hundreds of tweets a day trying to lure people to his site. He just needs to continue to impress on stage, to make some good music, and to get radio play. Two months of signing autographs isn’t going to make him or break him.
Squirrely, he at least picked up one die-hard fan in your sister, didn’t he? I hope she tweeted him like I suggested!
Put on some nose plugs and deal with it.
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You don’t want to know where my mind went right now
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Fame can be fleeting. Some people do not care if you are the devil incarnate and in fact some prefer it. Some artists are indeed aloof and distant – Madonna has been aloof since Day 1, even before she was a success. Elvis Presley on the other hand was always known to be polite and sweet to fans, even giving THEM crazy gifts. There are a lot of artists that people perceive as nice and aren’t – Jennifer Garner – I didn’t say that. All depends on your target audience I guess. Just not a good idea to alienate the fanbase that got you to where you are now TOO quickly. Other artists are not perceived kindly, like I didn’t realize how John Mayer is truly considered a douchebag, does it affect his music sales, who knows.
The reality is that many Idol fans are casual fans and as the new season begins, it will be Adam who, Kris who so in that sense no it does not matter.
So perhaps being aloof from the get go is the better way to roll.
But it’s a tough market out there unless your name is Black Eyed Peas so I would tread a bit carefully until you hit that first home run out of the park.
And hey even Oasis are cruel to their fans whilst they are ONSTAGE though I have to admit I secretly enjoyed the fact one of the Gallagher brothers got decked by a fan onstage last summer. They suddenly weren’t so tough anymore. I have to admit though the Gallagher’s attitude turned me off their music long ago. I do enjoy hearing Noel being interviewed because he slags Liam so well but still not enough to make me buy one of their records let alone see them in concert.
So, one’s favorite can do or say anything and get a pass. But let another commit a minor infraction, and they’ll have Hell to pay. Interesting.
Neither do I. LOL.
It’s been a hilarious 7 pages though, my face muscles actually hurt from laughing. Ouch.
Sorry, I’ve not read comments… As for the report:
LOLOLOLOLOLs Go Adam. Tell it like it is BB!
We’ve all been sweaty and stinky and even a little touchy-feely at some point in our lives. To deny it would be delusional. To be offended that anyone noticed, absurd. To be hurt when a stranger with whom you were all sweaty, stinky, and touch-feely calls it as he sees it? Well… :-)
We’ve all seen photos and heard stories of some nutty, needy AI fans. Some serious creepyness going on out there, what with the crazies getting all up in your shit and thinking you are their BFFs and more — to say nothing of the entitlement and ownership issues. I’d say Adam’s doing just fine, and all’s good if he shakes a few of “those fans,” kwim?
That is all.
ETA: Actually…. LOL I knew better than to start reading… My take on the post itself, ANY AI blogger would post this, given the chance. If ad revenue generates from hits, you bet your ass, you’re posting Adam Lambert every chance you get (and some you don’t). And an Adam controversy?! WhooooHOOOO! Even better….
Quoted for truth.
So? What was okay for Archie might not be okay for Adam. Everyone is different. And, maybe Adam doesn’t want/need to expose himself to extra germs from being around hundreds of people. We don’t know what’s going on with him, and I don’t think it’s fair to make assumptions.
they should just stick Him in a cage, wheel Him out, and have Him wave as He roll by, that way His fans can clamor, yell, and profess their undying love to Him.
sounds good to me.
Will, sadly I think she was just caught up in the moment. After reading his Twitter page she was the one to say to me first that he may need therapy after this tour is over. We’ll see if he gets signed whether or not she will even remember to pick up his album.
“There will be music posts coming up. This thing was just too good to pass up. lol”
To good to who MJ? Why would you want to post something that you know will make someone look bad to haters? Is this fun to you? Why do i keep getting the feeling that you don’t like Adam or that you are looking for things to publicize to take him off his high horse? Let’s have some snarky posts on some of the other idols-like Kris-to show equal representation.
I have two words for you:
Danny Gokey
And so, I guess when those bloggers and reviewers who don’t have filters (so refreshing!) take their personal pot-shots at Adam, y’all won’t mind at all ;).
*sigh* I think you are right on this, MJ. I don’t know what to make of his statement. It doesn’t bother me much cause I know I don’t smell :rolleyes_tb: but I don’t feel like defending him either. Sometimes I hope that his mother would smack him in the head and say: “When are you going to start listening to your mama and filter that freaking big mouth of yours?” Sorry mom and fans, it ain’t going to happen. So, take it or leave it.
If Adam coming out is a security problem for one city, he must be for all shows, so then you just tell all the fans, Adam will not be out ever before or after the show, so those fans who haven’t got the message, won’t bother showing up for these things and then the other Idols won’t have to answer that annoying question about where is Adam a million times a day.
Both Sarver and Gokey have been raked over the coals for the things they’ve said. Far worse than anything I’m reading in this thread today.
For the life of me I truly cannot understand what the big uproar is about. He was asked what the craziest thing that has happened to him while on tour has been. I am sure meeting very smelly people who what to touch you or hug you would be something that was memorable and not pleasant. And what do you do with a four foot stuffed kangaroo?
I do not think he was divaish in the least bit in the interview. He was asked and he answered honestly.
And take it from me, smells are something singers take very seriously. I’ve worked with singers who cannot be on the same stage as someone who wears hairspray or cologne/perfume or any kind of scented antiperspirant or make-up. I know several that put such clauses in their contracts. I also know of cases where directors or stage managers have had to talk with performers about BO after their cast members complained.
(On a side note) One true diva, Ms. Aretha Franklin, will not even let the air conditioner be run in the building she is to be performing in that day because she says it affects the air she breathes.
This is nothing – nothing! I am just glad our audiences don’t hear the way we talk about some of them after our meet and greets!
In relation to this, here’s a USA today article about this:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/idolchatter/post/2009/08/adam-lambert-has-sweaty-smelly-touchy-feely-fans/1
Laughing so hard tears are streaming down my face.
I have to say, there are an amazing number of people out there who do not bathe regularly and exude BO and seem to be completely unaware of it.
I really am not a crowd person and this is one of the reasons, I have a very sensitive nose. As do a few other people in my family.
Go ahead and hate me for this because I don’t care.
Many people do stink!!!!
I don’t blame Adam one little bit for not wanting to be felt up and grabbed at by a sweaty-smelly fan. Ick!!!!
I just hope that the woman who stuck her tongue in Kris’ mouth had at least had a mint recently. LOL
I am not really a Kris fan but maybe because Kris is perfect and never says anything controversial, okay I am being facetious about perfection but he just isn’t the type to be controversial.
And please, Adam knows better than anyone else that controversy sells so I am not so sure some of what he says is that “accidental”.
Or at least let him ride up in chariot, dressed in a toga, Ben Hur style…and come on I admit it Adam fans are as easy to rile up as a hornet’s nest esp in the heat of the afternoon……..
Uh-oh. This just got real. Heh.
Even if it does hit the national media, it will die down in a few days. It also wouldn’t contradict his overall image of outragousness (what will he do? what will he say?), so it won’t matter.
But man, there will be bitter comments sections and angry letters to the editors galore! Heh.
Exactly. And being mobbed nightly at the barricades to the point where a small child almost gets crushed in front of you isn’t going to make one iota of difference for Adam. (I’ve seen the YouTubes. That shit isn’t happening to Kris. Adam has had security guards threatening to take him back inside if the crowd didn’t calm down.) The only thing that will matter is how RCA promotes him. No promo, no airplay, no media push, no Adam – or Kris. So, Adam missing the barricades is meaningless in the grand scheme.
So much for my prediction (hope) that this wouldn’t get any mainstream coverage.
We’ve already had reviews like that and it doesn’t bother me. I hate the criticism of his weight (because he’s not fat) and his acne scars (because there’s nothing he can do about that right now) but when reviewers don’t like his performance, his voice, I’m a little “eh, to each his own” you know?.
MJ, I’ve come to appreciate you for this post, because Mansfield just posted a particularly nasty one. I love how Adam’s character is suddenly in question because of this quote. Again, SERIOUSLY PEOPLE?!?
Every idol appreciates their fans and is grateful to be where they are. I haven’t sensed anything different from any of them. Absolutely nothing they can possibly say about any one fan or gift will dissuade me of that fact…and I don’t even like them all!
THIS! This is why I wasn’t remotely offended by the interview. He answered in the context of the question. If he had said, “I get some excited fans but nothing weird or crazy,” people here would have called BS and Adam would have been called “disingenuous.” We KNOW for a fact that the blown-up kangaroo was NOT the craziest or weirdest gift Adam has received!!! It was simply the funniest answer he could have given. (No, seriously funny people because none of us can imagine what we’d do on a tour bus with a four foot blown up kangaroo, right?)
Let’s be perfectly honest, this was actually a very tame answer compared to what he could have said… “Yes, I have a Twitter fully dedicated to my bulge, that creeps me out.” “Yes I have people writing hundreds of fan fics about me doing it in every position with every Idol (well, mainly Kris)…and that creeps me out.” “Yes, I get people tweeting me homemade drawings of me having a threesome with my ex and current boyfriend and that creeps me out.” “Yes, I had a woman tattoo my face on her shoulder…and that creeps me out.”
And that’s barely touching the surface…so if Adam answers the question – what’s the craziest thing that’s happened on tour and he mentions a few overzealous sweaty hugs and a stuffed kangaroo…he’s censoring himself.
But did we enjoy a dedicated post about Danny announcing his farts?
I like Adam but when he says something stupid he’s fair game. As for Kris and the ADD comment, almost no one cares what Kris says so he can get away with it. Adam can’t and he should know that.
Honestly Danny has gotten a ton of criticism on the internet, for almost everything short of breathing. He gets it far, far worse than Adam does.
Oh Yay Brian Mansfield! I’ve got somebody to share the heat I’m taking from the angry glamberts!
That is horrible if overzealous Adam fans are pushing small children around at these barricades. If that is the case then aloof is probably the best way to roll. But then stay aloof – Madonna never really says much about her fans one way or the other. She says things to piss people off but that is because Madonna wrote the text book Media 101 and how controversy keeps your name out there.
Calculated pot shots are different from filterless rambling. What some reviewers have written is a lot worse than, say, “I love Adam and I love his music but he smells, man, he needs to wash that jacket.” Which would be the equivalent of what he’s saying here. Is that really so offensive?
That said, bitchy reviews are part of the game. This is my first experience in fandom but by now I think I’m over being frustrated at them.
mj, I can’t speak for everyone but Adam fans are not one entity, js.
ot from now on I will edit my comments BEFORE I post them. Damn my perfectionist self.
Just irresponsible.
I’ll go with comment #353
Nobody’s perfect!!
It’s a PR faux pas because it sounds like he’s criticizing some of his fans. I can understand that he doesn’t like that but he has to consider that sometimes it might be fans who has waited for hours at 90F to meet him. Even if he’s right, it’s just not nice to SAY IT in my opinion. He needs some PR classes. This said I don’t like him less, ..as I said before nobody’s perfect. I guess he’ll learn from the backlash. If he doesn’t and just want to raise controversy.. his attitude is likely to become less real to me.
Adam has to know by now that anything he says will make news, good or bad. But, maybe thats just the way he likes it?
That’s so not true. I follow lots of singers/bands, very very few of them do after-show barricade signing. probably only those play the small clubs. Most of them don’t even have routine pre-show meet&greet. And normal fans totally accept that it’s pure luck if they meet the fans and sign after the show. Nobody get butthurt. Only in AI fandom, everything is weird.
Huh? I’m not getting the fart reference, but yes, there have been quite a few posts dedicated to some of the things Danny has said and done.
The Sarver/Gokey video where they made the “Godly” reference to man love got it’s very own post, and I dare say there were quite a few Adam fans RIPPING both of them to shreds for what they said in the video. I’ve also covered Danny’s church, some stuff his relatives said, and other things.
Frankly, he’s not THAT young. He’s one of the oldest ones on the tour, isn’t he? Not old man river of course, but not a kid either.
I’m going to have to take this observation back to a Cook fanboard and ask them about it because I definitely missed this one.
No, MJ’s original response was correct Cook went to the meet and greets, which were usually held indoors, AND he went to the barricades outside as well. He may have stopped coming out after the shows, but he almost always came out before the shows.
In Washington, he was outside signing — in the heat, in a charcoal suit, no less — for quite a long time. Longer than just about any of the other Idols and that was in deadly, hot August. I don’t know if we smelled, but if we did, it was certainly mutual!
And frankly since Cook insists on having general admission concerts in 90, plus, degree weather outside at fairs and festivals, I would give him the finger if he said anything like this. ;-)
Maybe I will have to go back and read it again, but Mansfield kind of lost me. First he was saying he respected it, then he was saying he didn’t. And then he made the leap that everyone else seems to be making, that he was talking about ALL fans and wasn’t kidding and should be perceived as ungrateful.
And I kept thinking, “Brian, what are you even saying here?”
Whatevs. I guess I just don’t have the energy for B.O.-gate today …
Maybe we should punish Adam with a public spanking, then everyone would be happy. I am sure his fans wouldnt mind one and the people that feel he gets away with anything will be happy too. Or we can pretend his is Gokey for a day and give him a piece of our mind.
Only Adam can create a 8 page thread on the use of the word Smelly. I can almost see his face as he said it, like “I know this will sound bad…but I can’t stop my mouth from saying it.” This is why the press loves him, he creates buzz without even trying.
I can not wait until he breaks out of the Idoldome. I have a feeling he’s going to be too much for the US and will be huge overseas where people aren’t overanalyzing someone on a TV show.
I am saving up my frequent flier miles for a crazy European tour.
I need more popcorn! :drunk_tb:
Oooh! Oooh! Ooooh! I have an idea! I have an idea! Adam needs to go out wearing earplugs so he can’t hear the screams, nose plugs so he can’t smell the stink, plus a sign around his neck that says “on vocal rest,” and the Michelin suit to prevent all the touchy feely.
I am actually an Adam fan, but I couldn’t resist. LOL!
But, do you really think this comment was intended to be hurtful or provocative? I seriously don’t think so. I can’t for the life of me believe that Adam intended to insult his fans. Of course, the fact that this quote is being considered provocative at all is baffling me to no end.
I found this post unnecessary (mainly because I don’t get the uproar), but Mansfield seriously took it to another level and impugned Adam’s character. I doubt he cares, but my opinion of his character just went straight downhill.
LOL, Mansfield, drama queen much? Now Adam’s character is in question. Talking about making mountain out of molehill.
I’m already addicted to this blog but this thread will be my undoing!!! :happy_tb:
And she gave a signed copy to Adam when he met her. :thumbup_tb:
I agree that some of his fans are way too obsessive and touchy feely. When I meet a singer or band member I simply say hey to them and tell them I enjoyed the show, sometimes ask for a photo with them, and then leave, period. Some Idol fans go way overboard. But it’s still kind of rude for Adam to call his fans sweaty and smelly. Obviously they are because they’ve been standing there for hours in the sun waiting to meet him. He should be thankful that he has fans. And it’s funny how Adam is from Los Angeles and has seen the celebrity lifestyle firsthand, yet he complains more then any of the other idols do LOL
Adam Lambert: My fans stink
Note: I am setting aside 1 person, anon tweet reports because I do not believe most of these are true — Matt not be willing to take a present from a fan to Adam or Danny not signing for a little girl, etc.
JMO Michael, tweets and talks a lot, but has been almost totally thoughtful about what he says (except for one big exception, see below.)
Danny gets his unfair share of criticism for some of what he says, talking about his wife’s death and his discussion of his upcoming record deal come to mind. But those are not flip, off-hand comments.
The only flip off-hand comments made by Danny and Michael that generated a lot of comments were 1. Danny and Michael: “loving in a Godly way” and that comment was directed at Adam. 2. Danny: Adam photo-gate comments which made #dannyisadouche trend #1 on Twitter.
Am I forgetting a lot of other offhand, insignificant comments made by Danny and/or Michael made that generated 300 comments that weren’t about Adam or gays (which in context of AI8 was about Adam). I really could be forgetting something because I don’t actually spend a lot of time focused on people’s interview mistakes.
Serious like? Are they emailing you en masse or something?
Sorry too late to edit but when I said, “Just irresponsible”, I wasn’t talking about Adam.
“And frankly since Cook insists on having general admission concerts in 90 degree weather outside at fairs and festivals, I would give him the finger if he said anything like this. ;-)”
Sassycatz : You just made me snort!
Um, for reals? Over this?
MJ, O realy? u mean glambert are texting you sth? cua I don’t realy see people taking shots at YOU here. what’s the deal?
Thank you, LisaE. I haven’t had a chance to read a fraction of this and I cannot even believe it is getting this kind of response. LIke Adam wouldn’t be the first to admit he gets a little funky standing in the hot sun for hours. He was asked what is the WEIRDEST thing. And he said so and even then prefaced it with niceties.
Like I said, I read the story this morning and I thought it was too lame to even bother cutting and pasting over to MJs. And at that point it didn’t occur to me that anyone would perceive it as a big deal. Yes, thousands of people standing in the hot sun during a humid summer = a little bit smelly.
What are we new on this planet?
Have I said how much I LOVE this thread?! LOL LOL LOL I’m an Adam fan and was not at all offended by his comment but, hey, some people were. And Adam said it, so if peeps are upset and calling him out on it, I think that’s fair. Maybe he’ll filter himself but I doubt it. I happen to love unfiltered Adam because he’s funny and snarky and it makes me want to hang out with him. (Of course, shower and deodorant first!) I think he would love this thread too.
I’ve read this whole thread, and to me it seemed like most of the comments were of the WTF/LOL variety. Not so much “angry glamberts”.
Still not sure what the “proper” reaction to this is supposed to be so as not to be accused of being a crazy Adam fan. If you’re NOT offended, you’re viewed as making excuses for Adam. If you ARE offended, you’re viewed as being over invested. Geesh.
Haha MJ, I have read all the posts here and I don’t see that many angry glamberts jumping on ya. Actually you have some of the “coolest” and most “smartass” glamberts on this board.
Anyway, I don’t think Adam is doing a good PR job and I don’t understand why his management is not doing something about it. Hopefully he will learn his lessons and be smarter about what he says in the future.
That USA Today article about the whole thing was pretty interesting. Especially, the last line:
Or, to put it another way: How would you feel right now if you had given Adam Lambert an inflatable kangaroo?
EXACTLY! It’s a damn gift, Adam. Just take it and shut up about it. It’s not like it had a bomb in it or something.
Eh, just another bottom feeder. Who cares? These guys have to get hits or otherwise they’d be forced to get real jobs. And I’d be forced to do some actual work instead of hanging out here.
Well, I predicted that this IMO trivial comment would become a “real news story”. Sorry it is. But there it is.
So it is now The Star has the story to follow-up today’s “Adam kicked a dildo” article.
All I can say is “whatever”! LOL!
My I quote from the PR handbook: “I don’t care what they say, as long as they spell my name right”
What’s the difference what the “Ungodly” remark was about? And I do believe the remarks they made in that video were off the cuff. You could see them regret it as soon as the words left their lips.
Adam does not take the most heat out of all the Top 10. No way. In fact, most of the posts in this thread are from Adam fans defending some perceived threat rather than the so-called haters piling on him.
The Gokey threads were nearly always filled with folks piling and snarking on him with maybe 2 or 3 brave fans defending him.
Gokey is also very unfiltered when he speaks, and those remarks were often the centerpiece of my posts about him.
I remember a few for Danny anyway. Danny being photographed with the Christian singer. Danny’s eyeglass charity brewhaha. Everytime Danny opens his mouth about a record deal. LOL. Danny does generate a lot of snippy comments.
Exactly. At this point (and this is not addressed at mj, more at the world) I’m sick of being baited, responding quite rationally, and then accused of being a crazy fanwarring glambert for responding.
Working as a reporter for one of the largest publications in America isn’t a real job???
Brian is a reporter AND a music critic. The Idol blog is a side thing.
And after one of my typical 12 hour days, I’ll remind myself that I don’t actually have a real job.
wow brain mansfield OTT much with that article. I think he just wanted some of the action, some hits too. must have come on mj’s to find out what’s up. he wrote that article like a little over an hr ago. Today is friday, that interview was released on sunday, brian were u waiting 4 others to find tabloid type news 4 u to run with.
Also i see no angry glamberts on here. everyone is voicing their opinions. there’s no drama.
yeah, even though im also like WTF at that gift?? you dont say that out loud. Totally insensitive to the person who was so over the moon to have gotten the opportunity to give it to him.
THIS!
Wait, so, is it ok if I’m not offended by Adam’s comments but I’m offended at others being offended?
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Ha ha…I was being “unfiltered” and “snarky”.
Exactly, except I won’t make the exclusion you do.
LOL, by Mansfield’s logic, MJ, your character is in question that you just don’t appreciate us who visit your blog. srsly.
INTERNET is damn SRS business. LMFAO
deleted cuz I changed my mind. Why I give reasons, I have no idea.
LOL so true. What’s even funnier/stranger is that he said this 10 days ago. I’ve decided that since he’s stopped giving interviews, the media is so hard up for Adam stories that they’re going back through the interviews he has done, trying to find a snippet or two that can get them some clicks. I wish I’d followed idol in past seasons so I could have a better handle on what is considered “normal” media/fan attention/reaction. Either way, I’m going to have to go to the grocery and buy some more popcorn.
I also don’t get why some journalists complain about getting comments from angry Adam fans.
Yes, in a perfect world you can snark on a star, get the hits and interest in response to that, and then the fans will ALL be worldly wise and restrained enough to not leave you angry comments. Is it that surprising not to live in a perfect world?
~frustrated~
~Although of course being lumped in with all other fans as a crazy glambert also comes with the fun of supporting Adam and enjoying his music, so I will try to remember that I don’t live in a perfect world either.
Yep, eyes on the prize. :)
Well, Michael did publicly make the comments about Michael Vick. I flinched when I saw them because the whole issue is so controversial. His comment garnered about 10 posts. It’s not that people don’t care about the issue-they just don’t care about what Michael has to say about it.
Maybe we all need to go watch adam’s performance of Crazy.
:-)
LMAO!
OH and MJ, since you seem to be in this thread, you mispelled the winner’s name in your Rolling Stone article headline. There’ve been lots of posts to tell you.
Will do. Sex version.
Kidding KIDDING PEEPS.
I’ve taken some heat in this thread for daring to post something that would reflect badly on Adam. I’ve been accused of not liking him…of targeting him specifically while ignoring the faux pas of the rest of the Idols. Of leaving pertinent information out of the headlines. I’ve had sarcastic comments like “I knew YOU would post this,” directed at me.
Have I deleted any of your comments? No.
Oh, I did delete one comment that accused me and others who took issue with his remarks “fucked up”.
Like Adam, who only called some of his fans overzealous and smelly, I don’t mean ever single person who has posted in this thread. If it’s the glambert moniker that offends you, then I’m sorry, I won’t use it again.
Hmm. The only way I can come up with to compare to what Adam said is to preface it with the background info that I am a 30 year old guy. Now trust me when I tell you this…
If I ever become a celebrity and I make public meet and greet type appearances the following statement applies to my fans who are 50 year old morbidly obese men or women who’ve been standing in 90 degree heat for several hours, have become really sweaty and then want to give me an overly touchy feely type hug that may include any of the following: kissing me, trying to touch my face, my hair, my ass or my crotch. Doing that is going to freak me the frack out. It’s going to creep me the crap out. I’ll try not to embarrass you by calling you out on it when you’re standing right there and everyone will hear and know that I am talking about YOU. But I just might make a comment about it in general if somebody asks me what’s the craziest thing that I encounter with my fans. So spare us both and just don’t do it, k?
I am actually hoping that Adam gets to read this blog and the USA Today article. MJ, do you know if the idols read this blog?
Word to Brian Mansfield. He hit the nail on the head.
I hope Adam follows Madonna’s advice and doesn’t sweat the small stuff because you are always going to have journalists like MJ and Mansfield that not only post a headline but “add” their own comments like “that MIGHT be crossing the line” or “”that shows unappreciativeness for his fans” just to throw fuel on the fire and make Adam look bad. I am paralyzed from an auto accident but wanted to see Adam in Atlanta. I sat at the barricades for an hour and a half passing up pictures, etc. for everyone else as the other idols came by to sign autographs. By the time Adam came out, everyone was so nice that a man next to me told Adam that I had passed up pics all night for everyone while getting nothing signed for myself. He told the crowd around me that I should go first when Adam came because I had been unselfish. Adam listened intently, without rushing, to the man. He came over to me, grabbed my hand, rubbed it back and forth (i died), and told me how sweet he thought I was and how much he appreciated it. He signed my RS mag with my name. Does that sound like someone who doesn’t appreciate his fans or scorns those that are different? This is who Adam really is. People need to stop trying to make him seem like someone who doesn’t care. I will add, Atlanta was hectic at the barricades but he still stopped and acknowledged me.
I’ve been reading some of the comments over at USA today and I have come to the conclusion that the FUCKING BIGGEST EGO on the AI tour is the fan’s.
I do feel bad for this fan. I’d be completely mortified if I were him/her, and if they’re at all sensitive, they probably hate Adam for dissing their gift now.
Oh lord.
As a break from this thread, I went over to another board and clicked on a link to an article in the Sacramento Bee where a reporter is interviewing David Cook before his performance tonight at the California State Fair in Sacramento. (Another outdoor event, I gather.) Anyhoo! I’m reading along, innocently, when this just jumped out at me and I roared:
Full article here:
August 21, 2009
“Idol’s” David Cook headlines opening night of fair
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/ticket/archives/2009/08/idols-david-coo.html?mi_rss=21Q
Yes, David and Band, you’re sweaty and stinky, but as Adam would say, we still love you all. Just don’t try and give us a four foot, inflatable kangeroo with your next CD!
SofaKing: Tell the truth, brother! Perfect!
LMAO. What’s the old adage? I don’t care what they say about me as long as they spell my name right?
I’ve lulzed it up in here but I don’t think badly of Adam for this comment. I think Mansfield is going a little too far when he implies it reveals something about Adam’s entire character. Not buying that. This one comment doesn’t outweigh all the positive things Adam has said and that have been said about him. I think he just said something stupid and because he’s Adam it became a big deal.
BO-gate will probably take it’s place with Kick-gate, Dildo-gate, Bra-gate, Michelin Man-gate and every other ‘gate’ that Adam causes. It’s today’s crazy hoopla and the media will roll with it now that they seem to be about finished with Kick-gate. I eagerly look forward to the next installment of Adam-gate.
Please, Kris wasn’t overjoyed about receiving a small pink koala bear yesterday from someone who baked a companion for Wolfgang, according to the creature’s maker @redcoloredstars. He told her so, but still accepted it (and was later seen showing it off to folks). She was fine with that. There is no evidence Adam did anything than politely accept the kangaroo at the time. Surely fans know every gift isn’t going to be equally treasured. Adam said at the beginning of the tour that he gives the gifts he doesn’t want away. He would rather you give to something like donorschoose. If fans don’t do that they run their own risk.
Look at it this way, the fan is more likely to be remembered by Adam for giving him the kangaroo – something he/she probably really wanted in the first place.
I don’t know if I was one of the ones you were thinking of MJ, but this made me smile. Brave, I like that! It is really strange sometimes being a fan of both Adam and Danny. And I know this stuff is (or should be) all for fun. But seriously, anyone who wants to give themselves a true challenge in logical writing and self-control, go to a moderated board where your favorite is not well liked and give it a shot. I actually think it is an excellent developmental exercise, seriously.
And in defense of this thread, at least it is about something that Adam actually said. I think that is fair game. What drives me crazy is people who make assumptions and then treat that assumption as if it is a known fact. I would feel that way whether it was about one of my favorites or not. MJ didn’t do that, it’s just about something that happened that can be interpreted in different ways.
I didn’t mind you posting the interview and I don’t think the heat was about that.
Peace mj. As long as I’m not lumped with the overzealous/smelly/angry fans I’m cool.
@SofaKing Too funny. Ya know maybe when the interviewer asked the question, Adam had a specific encounter in mind. Anybody wanna raise their hand?
I am facepalming so hard over the complete overreaction over this one little comment from Adam. I’m not even going to check out the Mansfield article because I don’t want to give him hits. I agree with whoever said that the media must be really hard up for any tidbit from Adam if BO gate is making the mainstream news.
He deflated it and sent it back to LA.
That’s right! Kris made fun of a fan’s gift yesterday! Where was the thread on that? Oh yeah-it would get 5 posts because…NOBODY CARES!
I notice you didn’t refute the bottom feeder part. Good for you. Own it proudly.
I also have no issue with you posting this MJ. It’s a story circulating about Adam and it is certainly well within the expectations of your job. I just do not see what the issue is in the first place.
oh tiger92….so true!!!
And josieX, I’ve noticed your hard work. You, aek and JJsomething have been very busy and helped with giving a more balanced view of Danny.
ALSO. I wonder if Adam knows the fog machine he uses for his set is the worst thing for the throat? It’s not going to help his laryngitis.
What’s even funnier/stranger is that he said this 10 days ago
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That’s the wierd part,LOL
Anyway I wish he hadn’t said it but its much ado about fuck all. He should take his medicine from the bloggers like the big lad he is and learn a few.Some things shouldn’t be saidN but I still love him!
Time for a movie and some alcohol, I’m done.
And yeah, I’m an Adam fan who isn’t rabid or OTT,and I don’t care to be lumped with the crazies for my mere existence as an Adam fan.
Later Mates!Have a good one.I’ll be having a few :laugh_tb:
Maybe cuz Kris did not go on radio and announce it?
This is true. Danny’s “punishment” seems to always far outweigh the “crime.”
As for Adam, I don’t really know exactly what to make of this. Of course the fans are smelly..they’ve been waiting for hours for the slight chance that they might possibly get a glimpse of you in the flesh, Adam.
I am, of course, still a fan of Adam. I love his talent. Still, I do think it was an insensitive comment, and not the brightest thing I’ve ever heard him say. But for what it’s worth, when I first read his comment, I laughed.
I find it difficult sometimes to keep my opinoins to myself, BUT what I find more difficult is comparing idols in what they say & do off the stage. They all have different personalities (simply put) and will not react to similar situations the same.
This is Adam, his comments are a big part of who he is, you either take it or leave it, like it or not, at 27 I doubt seriously if he is ever going to change. Filtered, or not.
Frankly, the more I hear, the more I likey! :smile1_tb:
Cool. I don’t know about the others, and I didn’t say anything, but the thought that you were calling me a crazy glambert simply for liking Adam was quite off putting. (And, yes, I know you weren’t responding to any post I made, but it still felt like you were referring to me if that makes any sense.)
As someone else once noted in another thread, Adam’s fan base is extremely fractured and most of them don’t like each other. But pretty much everyone else seems to think the Glamberts have a few too many nut jobs in the group. (Except the Glamberts themselves of course.)
It’s funny, you could have personally called me smelly or a bitch or well, just about anything else and I wouldn’t care. But at even the thought that you might think of me as a Crazy Glambert I started to feel maybe I wasn’t welcome here. I guess I’ve found my own OTT part of belonging to the Idol fandom. ;)
Why is everyone getting so riled up about this? Much ado about nothing! LMAO. Let’s look at what took place before Adam answered in his typical, unfiltered fashion.
The interviewer himself posed the question: “What’s the CRAZIEST thing that has happened to you?” And Adam answered honestly.
Ya know, I seriously doubt that Adam would have volunteered off the cuff that some of his fans are a little sweaty…a little smelly….very touchy-feely, etc. if the interviewer HAD NOT ASKED THE QUESTION.
For those conspiracy theorists amongst us, the interviewer could even have set Adam up with that potentially-loaded question, knowing that Adam has a reputation for speaking freely and honestly.
Geez, this nonsense has made USA Today? :rolleyes_wp: Whatever…..
Was this the most intelligent thing Adam has ever uttered? Nope but it’s not bothering me because it’s the truth. There is so much crap happening in the world and people are worried about these inane comments? Sad…..
MJ,
Thanks for posting this thread. Reading the posts is going to be so much fun. Adam’s is my guy, but he will have to learn that words are powerful. He was being honest, but polite society is not always about being honest. Most will take this for what it was, an honest accounting of his experience with over zealous fans. Some will be offended. Whatever!!!
Lurker here……….waves
I have only made it to page 7 and am amazed at how this has snowballed to 9 pages.
I don’t agree. How does “what’s the craziest thing that has happened to you?” inevitably lead to sweaty and smelly? You know, Idols over the years have been asked this question and I don’t know whether they all answered it diplomatically, but it certainly doesn’t naturally lead to making such an impolitic comment.
Thank you saga, that is a great compliment and very nice of you to say. I do feel a sense of kinship with aek and Jx223, we just keep trying to do our bit! Sometimes I wish I could have a beer with them after a particularly tough day in the trenches. ;)
Why is it okay for Adam to speak his mind, but Brian Mansfield is an OTT “drama queen” when he does likewise? I may not agree with Brian (although I don’t think he’s far off here), but he’s certainly entitled to his opinion, as is Adam.
Rule No. 1: Don’t Diss Your Fans, even if they stink–not before they have an opportunity to buy your album! OTOH, Adam may relish having a wee bit of a diva reputation, a necessary part of the all-important “rock cred” resume. :rolleyes_wp:
Oh, and I just wanted to add that I am a big fan of both Adam and Danny. If anyone wonders why I’m not as “defensive” when it comes to Adam, my answer is simply that I don’t have to be.
If people reacted to Danny’s faux paus s in a more balanced way, who knows, I might actually throw in a criticism or two toward him myself.
I really don’t think either of these guys are beyond reproach. They are not perfect. Both of them have said things that irritated me, and I suspect they both will continue to do so from time to time.
I agree 110%.
I agree 1,001% This isn’t even the stupidest thing that Adam has ever said. Even in the “Idol world” this is trivia.
I never called anyone crazy. Also, I think of “glambert” as a fan name like “cookies”, “archies” and “claymate”. I didn’t realize the word was so charged.
Yes. Since we’re being blunt today, no one cares about what Kris says or does. The possible exception to this is if he says or does something related to Adam. By contrast people hang over Adam’s every move and it’s both a blessing and a curse. It’s a blessing when he does something cool and a curse when he steps in it like he did during that interview.
I was wondering what happened to the unfortunate Mr. Kangaroo. lol
OK, time for a Twitter Party, Adam!!
“I enjoy the honesty but I’m getting the feeling Adam wants it both ways. He wants the fame from the show but doesn’t really enjoy hanging with the fans that made it happen. I don’t think he’s thrilled with the less than cool folk that make up the traditional Idol fan base.”
“I’m sure he can’t stand most of them but you don’t go around announcing that to the press. You keep it to yourself.”
Well of course Adam wants fame & success. I think he really should censor himself a little bit more, though. Saying stuff like that is gonna sound harsh to some people. If he really wants to shed the hardcore AI fans….then don’t play their game Adam. Don’t come out after concerts, don’t wear the gifts they send you, etc.
For me, his comments are a non-issue. I consider myself a HUGE fan of his, but I’m also an adult (30 yrs. old), & yes, I am better than that—acting like a deranged fool. Personally, I would never, ever wait hours at the barricades or whatever in hopes of seeing Adam. What’s the point? The fans at the barricades get about zero face time with him. Everyone is screaming& acting crazy. Again, what’s the point? Do they really think Adam notices any of them, in a personal way? Hell no. Would you? No surprise that Adam is gonna be dismissive of these fans. Still, he shouldn’t stir up drama for no reason. Especially since next year, most of the crazies will move on to someone else. Hopefully!
I’ve always thought that the crazy AI fans would damage Adam’s credibility. Yes, a lot of these fans are very “uncool.” But for me, it’s less about looks than behaviour. Where is the personal dignity? Why would you want to scream in his face & try to grab him? Do they not realize that they are repulsive to the very object of the “affection”—because of their ridiculous behaviour? It just makes me cringe.
I really hope Adam can build a strong, non-crazy fanbase. That’s the biggest problem coming from AI—the credibility issue. Will the non-AI world take Adam seriously?? I remain very hopeful. Adam’s supreme talent & the VOICE of course is the biggest reason he will make it. His wonderous singing capability has won some serious fans that no one would dismiss. But Adam even has more going for him—his great looks, charisma, personality, & experience in the business. I think Adam will join Kelly Clarkson as the only real stars of American Idol. And I think Adam will eventually be AI’s only superstar–surpassing Kelly….because he is simply more talented & more relevant than Kelly. Adam is NEW, exiting, super-cool but down-to-earth…truly there is no one else like him in the entertainment business poised to be a big star. A young, male, gay SEXY-as-HELL superstar with a phenom singing voice, fantastic looks & personality?? YES! Bring it on!
And I promise Adam….when & if I meet you I won’t be smelly, or screaming at you, or grabbing you!
LOL And as a non-Danny fan, let me say you are appreciated. Knowing that most of my antipathy was likely media/internet induced, I’ve kept trying to like Danny, unsuccessfully until today. Amazingly, it was Danny himself that tipped the scales with his latest Slezak interview. He gave *snark*!!! Yay, Danny!! And I guess that also shows why in addition to liking Adam’s music I really like him. The man knows snark. I’ve really missed Adam’s bitchy side since he got all politically correct. I know many think he’s not PC now, but remember when he got really funny bitchy to Clay and Gene? Those were the days.
Oh, I did delete one comment that accused me and others who took issue with his remarks ‘fucked up’ .
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I hope that’s not me you’re referring to. I used that phrase “fucked up” as answer to someone’s post about people who make assumptions.
It would ludicrous for me to use it in general reference to people who didn’t like Adam’s comments, since I sort of agree? I found it an unfortunate comment from him also….So let me assume here that you didn’t read my comment the wrong way and you are referring to someone else
Well Adam is a very honest, straightforward guy and he probably said some of his fans were smelly because, well, they are probably smelly. If he had it all to do again, he likely would have chosen his words differently.
The line about the kangaroo is hilarious.
I think the real problem is that Adam is just EXHAUSTED as you could see in the Rolling Stone picks – he looks wiped.
No show tonight, so I was wondering if I’d have to find something other than mj’s blog to keep me entertained. But, we have B.O.-gate, and once again, Adam keeps me entertained for the evening. It will take me a while to read through the 9 pages (so far) generated by Adam noting that he has some OTT fans who happen to be a bit smelly and sweaty. Maybe not the best comment from Adam, but OTOH, it sure has entertainment value, and that’s making me enjoy the comment.
From the few posts I’ve read so far:
“Diehard fans would let pretty much anything pass short of setting a baby on fire. But maybe that too. ;).”
It depends on how sweaty and smelly the baby is.
Clearly, this is going to be a fun thread. LOL. Yeah, Adam! Yeah, MJ (for posting this)!
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I hear ya, Josie! Rough days in the trenches, indeed. I have woken up some mornings thinking I’m just going to pop into mj’s right quick. I open the page, see a Danny thread on the front page (something as innocuous as he might have a record deal). I immediatly get a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach before I even click on the comments, and then I mutter, “Well, sh*t, there goes my whole day.” :confused_wp: :lol_wp:
Does he still have the purple whip?
If David puts an inflatable kangaroo on his next CD cover I will buy it for the lulz. I promise.
Oh it’s charged all right. But as charged as “claymate” seems to be in the AI fandom? Not yet…
Adam’s comment was meant to be piss off his OTT fans. He should wait till his CD comes out before he burns any bridges.
I love Adam. He cracks me up, sings up a storm, puts on an amazing show, and is so damn pretty to look at.
But when I go to see him in Cleveland on Sunday, you can bet your ass I won’t try to give him a present – I’ve already donated to donorschoose.org as he specifically requested that we do in lieu of presents (God what fucking diva). I mean really, what is he supposed to do with all of this stuff on a bus? That’s just STUPID.
And if I were the type of person to do m&g’s or stand around sweating by the barricades, I certainly wouldn’t try to hug him or grab him or try to rub my sweaty, smelly, STRANGER’s body against him. That’s just CREEPY.
So I guess I’m saying I don’t care if he loses some stupid, creepy fans over this slip up. And I’m thinking he’s not terribly concerned about that either.
I’ll bet Kris isn’t crying himself to sleep over losing a record sale to the creepy Italian lady who put her tongue in his mouth which he has mentioned probably ten times already.
Mansfield never said he respected what Adam said. He just said he sort of likes Adam’s candor. He can’t respect Adam because he was being ungracious to his fans and disregards them. Mansfield also said he does not believe Adam when he says he loves his fans, and it is telling about his personality.
So, yeah, you can’t get much harsher than that. I guess that lady who called Adam a diva, was actually kinder than what Mansfield had to say about Adam. Whoda thunk.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Barkley
Really very similar.
Adam mentioning some people are smelly=Barkley telling people to raise their own kids. They’re both uber-talented, highly controversial, and beloved by their fans. Their mouths are also completely devoid of filters. Nothing wrong with answering an interview question honestly, and it’s not a personal attack to say some anonymous people are smelly. If he went out and pointed to one fan and said take a shower, skank, then maybe he’d be an ignorant unappreciative tool, but there’s nothing wrong with answering a question about fan craziness by saying some people are smelly and touchy-feely.
Yikes, I guess this why fame is a double-edged sword. On this thread, tons of discussion about an off-the-cuff remark in an interview (and yes, I’m adding to it!). On the other thread, comments about Adam’s bad skin and flabby body. And even a photo of him sleeping (somehow this seemed a little creepy to me). Talk about living under a microscope!
Add to that an exhausting schedule and a bout of cold/flu/allergies/laryngitis (whichever it is). I think it’s amazing that Adam, as well as Kris and Allison, who also have tough schedules, are coping as well as they are. Under the circumstances, I think it is understandable that Adam could blurt out a comment that was not entirely PC. But I think he deserves a break. Seriously, I’m not sure I would be coping with the pressure as well as he and the others have been.
This comment really deserves this much hullaballoo? Hmm.
However,
MJ, if they regretted it “as soon as the words left their lips” then Sarver wouldn’t have posted it online for everyone to see. I don’t hate them, but I don’t think they regretted what they said until they got called out for it, and even then they clearly didn’t regret the sentiments. But the point is, I can’t see how they could have regretted the words instantly if they went ahead and posted the video online.
That was me, and it is true. The fanwars and trolling amongst each other is a bit weird, and Adam has chosen to collect that energy into a DonorsChoose.Org contest. It really made me ponder when Danny mentioned Adam’s fans fight with Danny’s as I have mainly seen Adam’s fans fight with each other. I still think it is hilarious that Adam’s fans get put under this Glambert Umbrella when it really is a very incoherent fandom with so many subgroups that don’t really interact with each other or organize anything. It’s just that there are A LOT of Adam fans.
While Adam himself likes it since it is his Media Moniker as well, but it’s quite charged in the Adam Fandom. Most Adam fans don’t identify themselves with that name, so even I had to pause and wonder what I had done to get called one. It made me wonder if I was welcome here or something. Like jms said, you could have said “that stupid bitch Calliope” and I would’ve been less thrown than this collective glambert mention. Especially since this thread seems to be: if you care about what Adam said, you are a smelly, OTT fan, and if you don’t care about what Adam said (me) you are a mindless follower of Adam.
Yeah, since people also like to use that name to paint all Adam fans in a similar way. I don’t know how charged it will get though as the media sometimes refers to Adam as “Glambert” as well. It kind of adds another level to it. ;)
Archie and Adam comparisons? Puhleeze. Adam couldn’t carry Archie’s water when it comes to dedication to, passion for and interaction with the fans. It’s. not. even. close.
@Sassycatz,
If Adam’s comment was, in your opinion “unpolitical,” then so be it.
However, I happen to sympathize with his having to hang out with a bunch of sweaty, smelly fans (and as we all know, he’s got a large, very excitable fanbase) ….IMO, a stranger’s body odor up close and personal is a turnoff. Could he have been a bit more graceful in describing things? Most definitely! But do I fault him for speaking his opinion openly and honestly. No way.
Thank you.
Very funny Sassycatz
Besides the silliest thing I have ever seen thrown up on stage, to a band of very macho guys was an inflatable male member, like about four feet uh tall, a kangaroo they would have loved, since they were 5/6 Aussie – what would make a group of women think a group of macho guys would want that thing on stage and they couldn’t get rid of it fast enough – rubber chicken no problem they became part of the entourage, we think one of them is on tour with Cook actually— Parmy is that you? Parmy is notorious, she has her own MySpace. Bwah. That is as bad as the mother who made her 8 year old daughter hold up a sign at a concert about please kiss my mommy??? or maybe it was worse than that. Shudder.
Actually we knew the road crew for that band and the reality is even they got so much stuff they send some stuff off to hospitals, keep the odd thing and there was no rhyme or reason to what they keep, the rest would go into the garbage. The road crew would also keep a lot of the stuff, like rubber chickens, like they kept this huge pink Bunny called Warren, that thing was a good three or four feet big, and he was hanging up in the production truck, someone gave them a disco ball with kermit the frog sitting on top of it, and they would actually hang it up every concert from the lights right above the stage. I do know they treasured their own memorabilia, which some fans would give them or concert photos the fans had taken and made copies for them to keep.
I take offense, then you take offense. And then we take up for each other. We take offense for him and for her—even if they don’t want us to! I mean, at least that way people know that we care more than the average bastard! Right? Oh, and then I take up for that group some more, and you for this group. We circle the wagons, ya see? Well, that is unless, of course, you or your group has somehow has offended me, or my group has offended you. And yours. And then, well, we rip each other to shreds!
Thank You!
All of this is so silly!
Well, in fairness to Danny, he didn’t post it online. Michael was recording stuff to show the fans. I actually could tell that Danny was searching for a “better” way to say what he said. Danny at first said “”right”, and then immediately had a look on his face like, that’s not a good way to say that. In fact, he actually said something to the effect of “how do you say that?” Then Michael said “godly” and Danny repeated it. Granted, nothing needed to be said in the first place…Danny could and should have just left it at “I love this guy to pieces.”
Michael posted the video, and the rest is history.
Why are we speaking of his honesty and then refuting it? Or maybe that wasn’t Mansfields point?
ITA.
Thanks Josie. I appreciate you and aek. :thumbup_tb:
I kinda wanna high-five Adam for that “smelly” and “touchy-feely” comment. The thing is that I bet it’s sooooo true. I mean a bunch of sweaty fans sitting for hours in the hot summer sun just waiting for their prey? Those not-so-poor-anymore Idols probably feel like that lone tiny herd of wildebeasts being descended upon by a pack of hungry lions. But they have no choice because the watering hole is the barricades and they have to chance it no matter what. And Adam, of course, would be the fattest, juiciest looking wildebeast of the bunch.* No wonder the smart ones recoil. If it wasn’t so funny it’d probably be really scary actually.
*To carry this metaphor even further, being fat and juicy probably means that Adam doesn’t have to go to the watering hole/barricades as often because he has more fat reserves than the rest of the other wildebeasts (and has other sources of water).
I think maybe Adam should go back out to the barricades, but this time with a “Right Guard” man at his side! Adam can walk by and prior to his deigning an autograph upon one of the peasants, he can give a quick yet careful whiff… if the Queen finds the odor too foul, she can then hold her nose while sadly shaking her head, thus signifying to the Right Guard man that his protection will be necessary.
Right Guard man can then give the malodorous barricaded malcontent a gratis can of Glamberace Pine Scented Roll On along with a complimentary tin of Adam’s Rock n’ Roll Manly Mints, thus teaching said peasant a stern but undoubtedly well-deserved lesson!!!
Adam’s comments – the only thing that this can result to – increase in the sales of deodorants, perfume ,cologne, anti sweat stuff . Some fans can go overboard, but most might hold onto his word like mantra. Smell good, smell good, hold touch, hold touch.
Could he have said it a little bit more delicately ? Nah ,nothing to tiptoe around .If you are assaulted by smell and touch, best to say so. So problem can be fixed. It is fixable. I think.
Lmao robie88 :D
Note to overzealous Adam Lambert fans
Well rather than worrying about how Adam Lambert thinks you smell, just go to an airconditioned bar and drink before the show. Make the whole show more enjoyable anyway.
Seeing his greatness will just fuel your overzealousness and just get you all worked up and sweaty again.
Better yet just don’t go to any concerts, you might be tempted to dance and then you will sweat and maybe even doctor prescribed anti perspirant will not save you from ruin. And heaven forbid if you are premenopausal – nothing can stop those hot flashes.
Better yet, don’t buy any albums, Adam may not want your sweaty fingers on his CD cover.
Maybe Adam will create a cyber version of himself, suitable for Blue Ray and DVD players, and you can virtually molest him. It will come in brown paper packaging so you don’t get your sweaty fingers on the DVD cover.
Maybe consider a David Cook concert instead, where they like to bring the stank. Oh you are already an overzealous David Cook fan. Never mind.
alaadam
Aug 21st, 2009 at 5:25 pm
I hope Adam follows Madonna’s advice and doesn’t sweat the small stuff because you are always going to have journalists like MJ and Mansfield that not only post a headline but ‘add’ their own comments like ‘that MIGHT be crossing the line’ or ” that shows unappreciativeness for his fans’ just to throw fuel on the fire and make Adam look bad. I am paralyzed from an auto accident but wanted to see Adam in Atlanta. I sat at the barricades for an hour and a half passing up pictures, etc. for everyone else as the other idols came by to sign autographs. By the time Adam came out, everyone was so nice that a man next to me told Adam that I had passed up pics all night for everyone while getting nothing signed for myself. He told the crowd around me that I should go first when Adam came because I had been unselfish. Adam listened intently, without rushing, to the man. He came over to me, grabbed my hand, rubbed it back and forth (i died), and told me how sweet he thought I was and how much he appreciated it. He signed my RS mag with my name. Does that sound like someone who doesn’t appreciate his fans or scorns those that are different? This is who Adam really is. People need to stop trying to make him seem like someone who doesn’t care. I will add, Atlanta was hectic at the barricades but he still stopped and acknowledged me.
Thank you for sharing. This is the Adam I love.
Interesting comparison… especially since Adam is the Runner-Up this year and not the winner.
Oh, noooo. Hope the above won’t be true. Can just imagine the smell of BO, laden and layered with many, many brands of overpowering colognes, powders, and perfumes, some of which are pretty darn stinky themselves! I think I see a couple of new, must-haves to take to the concerts…..aspirin for the headaches that would come from the over-odor saturation of various products and some Frabrese (sp) to protect your own personal “zone.” LOL.
Somehow I skipped this earlier. But Josie, truer words have never been spoken.
You and Jx223 actually are better at this than me. Lord knows I try, though. I am a very emotional person by nature….so yeah, it’s a challenge. You really have to think and reread. If I’m tired or distracted by my two year old, well, then I know I’m gonna get in trouble.
As far as Adam and this mess goes, it will blow over by tomorrow. No worries.
I remember after GMA some people talking about why adam stayed back by the speakers when david cook was on.I guess we know why now DAVID COOK SIR YOU STINK. :lol_tb:
Seriously?? Does this really matter when selling records outside of the AI bubble?? I don’t care about Adam’s dedication to his fans, his passion for his fans or his interaction with his fans. All I care about is his music. I don’t expect him to kiss my ass, meet me by the bus (what acts do that anyway??), or suck up to me when I see him in concert, nor do I expect a large amount of conversation with the audience. I only expect great music and an awesome show worth the money I am dishing out, and so far, he’s delivered that in spades.
MJ, I think some people may be a little offended because you are making this out to be a real story worth mentioning…when there are new photos of Adam to view, when there is real news concerning his CD, etc. those are stories…
And yes I think it is ridiculous how people bash Danny over the dumbest stuff, but this is also pretty pointless–unless the goal is stir up some controversy.
I really enjoy this site but I think you try to cause unnecessary grief sometimes. Point in case: A little while back you posted that Adam “lashed out” at his fans via Twitter, because he had received negative Tweets concerning him not coming out after shows. Lashing out?? Really?? I read the tweets, and it was nothing more than Adam explaining why he didn’t come out & then apologizing. He also mentioned that entitlement was not sexy. You call that lashing out? Why would you want to make Adam-or anyone else-look bad, when all they did was apologize to their fans & try to temper their insanse behaviour a little?
Why not simply post a link to the article with Adam in it without the comments that further make a mountain out of a molehill?
When I come to your site I wanna read all the latest news on Adam (the only one I care to read about). I don’t want to see this trivial s**t as a headline….making me cringe because I know now that thousands of people are reading this & making unfair judgements because of it. Is it really news when Adam says any offhanded comment?? My God, people, he’s not Jesus Christ…you would think he said something truly horrible. Headline worthy? Come on.
And if I were poor Danny, my self-esteem would be in shreds by now. Shame on so many people who have the audacity to rip these kids to shreds because ….of what? Nothing, that’s what. Absolutely nothing.
Mj, I don’t mean to sound ungrateful or rude, because I love your site. But please consider more real news, and less drama. Thanks.
Lmfao steve
Well, if you ask me (which you didn’t), most “fans” are best viewed from afar, anyway. No matter how stunningly awesome I find our friend Adam, I have zero interest in meeting him from the position of “fan”, which somehow implies that I am not his equal in status and am, therefore, beneath him in some way (ahem… possible pun intended). But then, I’m not a person in need of being barricaded away from somebody for his own safety – heck, maybe HE should feel privileged to meet ME, and if he knew me at all, I might have to barricade myself against HIM. Have some pride, people. Just sayin’….
If “managed to get away with it” is your way of saying “has generated masses of criticism but as yet has not been actually physically harmed over it”.. then uh, yes. You are correct.
I don’t recall this at all. Unless I’m misunderstanding the description . . .
Thank you so much for sharing this. Made me get tears and I’m so glad that you got to meet him and have such a wonderful experience.
Just told my sister about the ‘sweaty fan’ comment – I think she hurt herself laughing so hard.
She was sympathetic to the person who gave him the kangaroo though.
You owe me a new screen.
No need to read anything beyond this post, folks. He WINS! LMFAO!!! OMG, thank you, Sofa King!!!!!!
I don’t really understand the idol fandom attitude towards the relationship between an idol and his or her fans. I don’t really see non-AI musicians and artists expected to sign autographs after every show, or Broadway actors, etc. So, Adam clearly appreciates the fans who are enthusiastic, devoted, who give him notes and drawings and things, but who are also respectful of his personal space. I’m glad he appreciates us, but I don’t really feel the need to have him prove that appreciation with autograph signing. If he wants to do that, that’s nice–i’d love to see him up close someday. But if he doesn’t–if the fans are too much, or if he’s tired and doesn’t like crowds or wants to rest his voice, or something else–then fine; he performed for me, I got what I paid for.
I guess I don’t get why the expectations for these guys are different than they are for other kinds of artists, except that the voting process gives some fans a weird sense of entitlement that non-AI artists don’t have to deal with as much. I don’t get that “We made you, you owe us” attitude. To me it’s like, “We helped make them, so let’s enjoy their music.”
LMAO! Sofa King you should post that in the USAToday comment section
Aww MJ. Sorry for the ants! Thanks for posting this!
Adam will learn in time how to be a bit more selective in his words. Not as bad as PETA’s “whale” billboard but not great either, lol.
What I am LOL at is where in this post it stated that the smelly fans were overweight over 50. LOL.
Not being overweight myself, but over 50, & I have only been to one AI concert (last year), the overweight fans I saw were all in their 20’s/30’s. Could be the area. Dunna. More overweight younger peeps here. Am a fan of Adam’s, but not a Glambert or any of the other labels. I like Allison too, so wonder what that makes me? Is there just a music lover club?
Yes, i think “person who likes good music” is a good description to use. Though clearly not many people outside of the dedicated internet users know of any negative connotation to “Glambert.” Amy Adams was raving about how much she loved Adam a while back and called herself a Glambert, and I highly doubt she has a number in the group. :)
Sadly, that seems to be verbotten. Best to just suck it up and pick a side before one is chosen for you. :)
As another Allison fan, I feel pretty lucky that she didn’t make it to the top two. If this kind of attention had been focused on her with her poor communication skills, she’d have been torn to pieces and left to rot on the side of the road….much like what had been done to Danny (but at least he’s older and as a result hopefully better able to deal).
Adam talks to the media only to “talk to us” –as if we are his friends!! The media should realize that people are human beings. Besides, if Adam was my friend, on a personal level, I would EXPECT him to talk from a real life point of view. Isn’t this the way we talk to friends when we are “being real” and not fake and politically correct zombies?
Adam’s “realness” is part of who he is. Isn’t it wonderful to observe extremely talented, dedicated, and hard-working artist be “real” to us?
I’m tired of the “old-ladies wearing gloves” expectations of others. Adam isn’t rude or crass or vulgar. He’s just real life speakin’ and that is fantastic!
ITA with this. That’s pretty much how I view it as well. Hell, Adam could think of me as “that stupid bitch Calliope” (but I’m a blip on the radar and I don’t care if he even thinks of me, even if he does seem overall really gracious about his fans) and I wouldn’t bat an eyelash, still see him live and hope for some good music. It doesn’t make me mindless either, just a general music fan.
Lisa, I think that makes you a normal Adam fan. I always got the impression that most Adam fans like Allison a lot too, and with the tour and the Kradam friendship Kris got included in that list.
That’s why I think Allison was eliminated fourth… the week previously Adam had been in the bottom too and the shared fans freaked.
jms, I did not need that imagery in my life… thanks… :P
I am not a fan of Lambert’s singing but I am now a huge fan of his honesty. Hopefully his statement will cause more people to become aware of their personal hygiene. This goes for all people, not just the AI freaks at the barricades. After all, this is the United States of America, not France.
actually he doesn’t have to accept any crap given to him. even ordinary people recycle/regift or return gifts if they have no use for them. and to avoid getting such ridiculous gifts he has told his fans give them to charity instead and i know that is working out well.
Sarver and Gokey took heat for a comment that struck people as homophobic. Adam – in a lighthearted tone if anyone bothered to listen – called his fans “a little smelly.”
What’s the difference?
Well homophobia get’s kids beaten and chained to a fence to die while commenting that some of your fans are bit smelly might hurt some feelings and offend some folks who take theses things way too seriously.
Why are we comparing these two?
^ Applause.
Nearly 500 comments and it took yours to say it so beautifully, Starrlight.
Eh. Brian Mansfield has always been trying to “disect” Adam’s personality. He was never a favorite of his, and to my knowledge hasn’t even had a personal interview with Adam to even get a look into Adam’s personality. I just think people are bored and have nothing better to say then Adam doesn’t like all of his fans. Adam isn’t the first, and won’t be the last person to say his or her fans are too touchy-feely. Adam still has over 150,000 followers on twitter. I guess they’re all doing to desert them now. lol
Mansfield has been harsher on Adam about his performance style and use of “vocal athletics”. As far as going after Adam’s character, which is what he and some are doing even though they’ve never talked or spent time with Adam Personally, I think it says more about them than Adam.
A few facts:
1. All Adam fans are not OTT and do not believe that he is God-perfect-will save the planet.
2. Most Adam fans are not “Glamberts”. And people who call themselves “Glamberts” are not crazed.
3. Sometimes Adam fans can do something right. In just over 24 hours Adam Lambert’s fans — Lamb Skanks, ONTD_AI, The Glambs International Fan Club, Glittizens, Adam Bomb Giving Page for TALC, Adam Lambert Network Adam Addicts, KARMA, GLOBERTS – International Fans of Adam Lambert, Glamberts4Kids, Loyal Minions of the Dark Lord Screamanova, and GENERAL GROUP FAN CHALLENGE have donated over $14,000 to DonorsChoose.org that is on top of the over $11,000 in general contributions made in Adam’s name.
I remember last year when my favorite David Archuleta would be the first person out to meet the fans and the last person to leave the meet/greets after the concert with the fans.
The majority of people were there to meet Cook AND Archuleta.
That made me love Archie more because he made the effort to meet and greet almost every fan he could and told them he appreciated what they did for him.
That is why today I am still an Archie fan. At his young age he really appreciated his fans.
Singers should remember that we, the fans, love to interact with them.
I think its great that adam does agree with VFTW they have been saying that for years now.Wow adam a worster at heart. :devil_tb:
Well, I know for a fact that Adam wasn’t talking about me. I showered, used deodorant AND had Chanel on when I met him. HAHA.
Nothing really seems to phase Adam. I kinda like some of the diva-ish stuff. If it gets too crazy (having no filter) I’m sure management will step in. Until then…speak your mind, Adam…tell us how you REALLY feel. LOL
This is bigger than a concert thread, lol. So, Adam slipped up. It will happen. He’s human and still getting used to living under a microscope. It all seems pretty minor to me. I think, after actually listening to the audio, he was going for the funny/snarky angle, but slipped up. He probably should have kept it on the bus ( as I am sure smelly, obnoxious fans are bound to be the butt of jokes between the Idols behind the scenes.) I do think Adam must be exhausted and somewhat bewildered by some of his Idol fanbase. I read over on his own official board fans just attacking his Dad’s longterm girlfriend with brutal comments about an article she had written. And these were Adam fans, doing it on his official board, about a person who is essentially a part of his family.
No, it wasn’t smart to refer to the OTT fans as “smelly” but there is a reason AI has a reputation as being “uncool” (not this board :)) There is a reason why I am a “closet” AI fan who was ridiculed by her entire family when on a vacation this past Spring I forgot to log off an AI site and my brother opened the computer and found it. Live and learn; this will be small in the scope of things.
On one hand I feel for the pressure of these Idols have to be so accessible to their fans and what, at times, may be a legitimately unpleasant experience in getting swarmed by a bunch of over zealous fans.
But on the other, his statement coupled with his no-shows as the buses screams prima donna to me.
I think about how gracious David Cook was last year and he had his share of crazies swarming him. I can understand where Adam is coming from, but it still makes me think less of him.
I don’t understand that myself. I don’t see how anyone can draw conclusions about someone’s entire character based on one remark – especially when there is a lot of evidence that he is actually a nice person.
I know some reports have characterized him as a diva but those are all from “anonymous sources” and therefore a little suspect to me. No one who has been willing to attach their name to their comment has said that.
Cook and Archuleta, even Clay, handled their fans pretty well, even the few crazy ones.
It comes with the job and it comes with fame.
Plus did Adam say it was just his “over-zealous fans” who were the ones who were “sweaty and smelly”, or just his fans?
:lol_tb:
With all respect Tinydance, I don’t care how nice someone is to his fans – if I don’t LOVE the music, I will not buy it. I don’t buy music because the artist is a “nice guy” (which Archie definitely is, he’s absolutely adorable).
Geez.. seriously who cares?
This is still going on and made it to USA Today?
Well groovy. Whatever.
Meanwhile my first comment stands, yes, it was a stupid thing to say. I’m sure all the rest of the idols feel this way. Doesn’t mean they don’t like any of their fans or at least part of them. But I’m sure, unless they’re stupid and/or crazy, that the OTT behaviour of some of the fans, the clawing, the yelling, the weirdness, isn’t something they like. And in fact people like Kris Allen, Daugherty and Cook have commented on disliking some OTT fan reactions. But Adam didn’t just say that, he said SOME of his fans were smelly and he WTFed someone’s present to him. Which again, stupid to say outloud. Inside voice, Adam. Inside voice.
He did also preface this with thanking them for the gifts, realizing he wouldn’t be where he was without his fans. To say that he hates ALL his fans, and is insincere if he says he does overall appreciate them, and especially the non-cray cray ones, is whatevahs(yes, Brains Mansfield, I’m talking to you) to me. Adam was wrong to give voice to what no DOUBT the other idols are thinking, so that’s where he’s wrong. But it also doesn’t mean he can’t be sincere in liking fans as a whole and being grateful to them, as a whole and yes, as a human wishing they would bathe more and not shriek in his face, or try and tear off his ring, stick their tongue down his throat, stalk him, or any number of things odd fans have done to the idols.
I hope Adam that will have learned a valuable PR lesson about not talking to the press when tired and keeping that filter fully functioning with lots of Red Bull in the future.
Other than the PR side of it? I personally don’t give one damn. I don’t think Adam is ungrateful or hates his fans more or less because of his misspeaking. I don’t think he’s ZOMG some ungrateful diva because of it. I think he’ll rightly take some heat for misspeaking and hopefully move on by getting that he has to watch what he says more. *shrugs shoulders, moves on*
I hardly ever comment here (well, plenty of you, guys make it entertaining enough), but this time I got really angry. With you, MJ. Posting this thing, with your snarky comment ‘“ well, it just might crossed the line, quoting you. It is not the first time you do that ‘“ remember this ridiculous Michelin Man’s picture you made a thread about? I bet, just to mock it ‘“ not if any of this really matters to the most of us, just irritates slightly. By doing that you really betray everything you so aggressively declare by deleting offensive, rude posts. So you do the very same thing ‘“ just in more “sophisticated” way. But it still two-faced. You surely clarified (again) your personal taste, but being pretty brutal to your posters (very well-deserved sometimes), you should be really as twice as brutal towards yourself. Really, you should know better. Being an Adam fan, and also very appreciative of Kris as well, it is obvious that plaids aren’t a major attraction for threads. It is just a fact, with no disrespect to the guy. Yes, Adam attracts posters and threads, but it is kinda vulgar to use it this way. I’m just a bit disappointed.
And this guy from USA today’ ¦ It is just so pathetic ‘“ the way he found FINALLY something to pick on Adam about. IMHO the comment itself just so absolutely btw-ish, which made the whole fuss around it (with your respectful contribution) smelly of some hidden agenda.
Do you really think if kris,allison,danny or maybe matt,anoop would of had that michelin picture it wouldn’t of had a thread?
LMAO at this thread. It is a lot of fun to sit back and watch…
Sofa King, I just have to say this: My sentiments *exactly* (except for the 30-year-old guy part, lol). YOU ROCK!!!!!!
Clearly Adam fans don’t care — the IDF_AL thread about this interview has 8 comments, mostly that it’s a non-story. It is the same on the Adam fan sites.
And no one else seems to care much either:
Examiner.com story posted 8:53AM CT – 20 comments
In Entertainment articles posted 3 hours ago – 3 comments
USA Today Brian Mansfield posted 3:36 PM ET – 35 comments
The vast majority of comments are this is not news or support Adam.
I have contributed a lot to making this 11 page thread, but I believe on a concert day it would have died at 3 or 4 pages.
Well, hot damn!!! Paybacks are hell. I just knew we should have kept our mouths shut about greenmelinda the other night. LOL
I delete rude offensive posts directed at other posters. Kill me now, but I think community, and the way people treat each other here is a exponentially more important than how posters treat some celebrity they don’t even know.
I will defend anybody here who makes a snarky or critical remark about one of the Idols, so no, there was nothing hypocritical about what I said.
Besides, I’m a blogger. I post my opinions. And my opinion here is that calling his overzealous fans “sweaty and smelly” is a personal insult that had nothing to do with their OTT behavior (which he has every right to call out).
Most of the comments in this thread are from Adam fans I believe…
I notice that. This is the only blog that has a lot of posts on this topic. Its really not that interesting. A complete non-issue. I think people have more of an issue with Adam not meeting the concert goers after the concert. Brian Mansfield mentions that in the comment section. Thats the real problem people have.
Hmmm… well, bye, shark, it was nice meeting you, if ever so briefly. >;-}
Honestly, this is not a concert day, and MJ, of course, IS running a business here, which is all about clicks and viewership. The blog is not just here as a public service, and has no more of a “hidden agenda” than that. The fact that a thread about an isolated incident gets this many comments on an off-concert day is precisely the point of posting it, not what’s contained in the post itself. If there wasn’t so much interest in everything Adam does, this thread would not be here – it’s elementary.
And most of them seemd to have a good time in this thread in a very non defensive way. Not seeing the issue here.
Personally I think this is mj’s blog and she should post threads on any subject she wants. I’d hate for her to believe she has to censor her own choices for HER blog just because a few fans get second hand embarrassment over something said or done by a complete stranger like Adam, and therefore think it shouldn’t be highlighted.
At this point ever single fan group has had their “this is so unfair” or “you are such a hater/so biased/baiting our fanbase” moment. mj is an equal opportunity offender I suppose. LOL
Hey.. I’m not a celebrity, but yeah.. I don’t want to touch strange sweaty and or smelly (BO) people. Who does? I don’t like going to the gym and being around those guys that’s sweating and lots of time smelly too.. doesn’t metter if they’re cute. The smell.. ugh.. yikes
I have to agree with Adam—-I weathered the Memphis heat and sun for hrs prior to the concert just to get a glimpse of the idols by their hotel and venue and out doing the tourist thing…..I ended up sweaty, and melting but hopefully not smelly…..am i offended…No WAY…i thinks its funny and oh so true. Why did this even make the headlines??? Guess some of us know….
Explains much. I never understood why “vocal rest” prohibited you from standing by the buses so your fans could at least get a pic, or sign a few autographs.
LMAO You have just managed to make me feel like we should canonize all of the idols for patiently having their pictures taken with so many sweaty, smelly fans. Only, let’s do it with them still alive, please and thank you.
Obviously Mansfield is not a fan of Adam. I say, whateva. I just wonder what he would do if he had the opportunity to get an interview with him?
From blogs like this one … to “Examiner.com” … to “In Entertainment” … to “USA Today”
Wow. We must congratulate ourselves. We have helped to ‘make’ news today!
The subject of the news didn’t actually make the news … if you take the time to listen to the interview it’s pretty obvious that the subject wasn’t being nasty and he wasn’t being critical of his fans …
At least MJ included the audio so that we could make up our minds … if we chose to listen to the audio before making up our minds.
But starting the ball rolling … well it really is a slow (no concert) news day.
Neither am I really. I was responding to Q3 who pointed out the number of posts in this thread, comparing it to the number of posts on Adam fan sites and fan threads. Maybe I’m wrong, but she seemed to be inferring that all the posts in today’s thread were coming from non-Adam fans, since Adam’s fans aren’t posting on his fan sites, Adam’s fans do not care.
And as far as Brian Mansfield is concerned, he doesn’t get nearly the volume of comments on his blog that I get on mine, so not a fair comparison.
Well, if the only point is being a commercial success (blog = business) – this thread is a huge hit. But taking a stupid, taken out of context, comment and present it as a “personal insult” ‘“ IMHO is totally OTT. Usually I just don’t care, but it’s just felt’ ¦ like you were really happy to find something negative to react to. For me, it was just so out of your usual self on this blog that I had to comment. That’s all.
And yes ‘“ this thread is much more fun reading than discussing the imperfections of Adam Lambert’s skin. Seriously, people???
Thanks Q3 for the info—-great news
Holy smelly crap! This is what happens on a no-concert day. Non-news makes news. So some of us stink….and??????? I still love Adam, cuz he tells it like it is. He’ll still sell plenty of CD’s in November and this little bit of non-news will have faded completely away.
Just curious…. How many of the other Idols have complained about smelly fans at the barricades? Seems to me that they have to put up with it too.
ditto…thanks Q3 for the info–great news. We can always count on you.
OK, fair enough!
Did you just called Adam’s comment stupid?
Reading Brian blog’s comment is really fun.
That’s a little misleading. As to IDF there’s pages of discussion about it in the Philadelphia concert thread. I haven’t read it all and no one seems to think it’s that big a deal but it was discussed there.
I don’t get the MJ hatin. It’s her blog, she states her mind, love her snark. I might not always agree with her, but I do about 97% of the time. I know when I come here I will get the latest up to date news on all the idols. Either from Mj herself or from other fans in the headlines thread.
11 pages over smelly fans. Obviously it was a big deal to some folks.
(holds up cross to ward off S5).
Whether you like Adam or not, he is HOT news after AI. Some folks found the smelly comment offensive, some don’t. I do like that Adam speaks his mind and the comment really did not offend me personally, but I see how it can offend others.
What I love most about Mj’s to be honest is I can come here before the season starts and she already has who will be in the top. I can view their vids on the net before Idol clamps down and makes them pull their vids. Kinda nice actually.
Keep on truckin Mj! Yer doing a fine job!
Lord I do not look forward to November.
I notice on some of the blogs that Glamberts are trying to compare Adam’s remark about “Sweaty and Smelly” to Kris’s where a woman actually put her tongue down his mouth.
There is no comparison.
Kris was asked to describe the strangest thing that happened to him so far.
He didn’t mention hygiene.
So there is no comparison on that because he was asked for a specific incident. So I don’t understand why some of the Glamberts are trying to making that comparison.
Well, it served its purpose as a point of view to get people talking, or a conversation-starter, if you will. What would we have done if it just said “oh, yeah, here’s a radio interview – enjoy!”? We’d listen, say, “oh, yep, that’s our boy, Adam”, and move on. However, now we’re 500 comments into this thing – kaching! End of story (or not….).
MJ, I love this blog and I liked this thread – both lovers and critics alike. Very entertaining – pure popcorn drama. But I see no difference in what Adam said compared to your own “snarky” little comments toward “glamberts”. It comes across disdainful to your “fans” or at least to those who give you hits on your site. I know it’s a fickle bunch and most will probably go elsewhere once the tour ends, so I guess it matters little once Season 9 starts. I’m not saying you shouldn’t say it but saying Adam probably shouldn’t sounds pretty contradictory to me.
I could be wrong, and if I am I’m sure Q3 will correct me, but I don’t think that’s what Q3 meant. I think the point of it is that Adam fans don’t care about this as an issue.
You’re correct mj in saying that most of the comments here are from Adam fans, most of which, I didn’t count, made in defense of Adam and stating that they don’t care.
I think in the end, the point that Q3 was making is that very few Adam fans posting on the issue today are insulted by what they read and heard in that interview.
^^^anthrogeek, precisely. And, imo, Mansfield took it to another level precisely to try and steal a bit of MJ’s viewership upon seeing the popularity of this thread. From the comment count cited above — which is all I have to go on because I refuse to give him my hit — it doesn’t appear that he’s succeeded. :-) MJ gets the prize on this one. And, deservedly so.
It’s a chicken and egg thing, really. We can blame and scorn MJ all we like — she allows that sort of thing lol — but if “we, the people” ignored and failed to click or comment, then the media wouldn’t latch on and “print” such inane click bait.
Everybody’s gotta make a living somehow. “It’s hard out here for a pimp…” ;-)
On parsing and contrasting “sweaty” and “smelly” from “touchy feely” or “OTT,” I’m not sure you can or should in this instance really. Think about it, what do you do when someone goes to hug you just after you’ve run a few miles or worked in the yard in the dead heat of Summer? You take a step back and say, “Oh, you don’t want to do that, I’m soaked with sweat,” or “I’m sure I stink, so let’s not,” or “Let me take a shower first,” or words to that effect. It’s social mores 101. What do these fans do, despite the obvious stink and sweat? They reach and grab and hold and squeeze and feel and kiss and lick and pinch and pull…. YUCK-O!!! It’s OTT, all of it. Can’t be separated. Much like he said, don’t throw things AT me, in the gentlest way possible (lol) and in a joking tone, he’s saying check the sweat and stink before you lunge at me, please. :-)
Were it not for the popularity of this thread and the benefit to MJ’s, I’d wish for his sake he hadn’t said it though. LOL
Adam — our “international superstar” — better not travel abroad. Americans are obsessed with “freshening up” and deoderant and shaving every body part and showering constantly.
Some other places … not so much. I’m just sayin’.
Adam better not go there!!! (No offense, France. I love your food and my ethnicity is partially French. Je t’aime! I swear!)
Really? They are all over this thread, it seems.
Blow over? Okay, I laughed at that, i.e., the smelly cloud will blow over like toxic waste! Ugh.
Because we’re easily baited by negative comments. Unfortunately. I don’t think a lot of Adam fans care that much about his actual statement, more about defending Adam against diva accusations. Because there are so many Adam fans here, each one critical comment, especially when worded in a provoking way, draws a ton of responses and clogs up these discussion posts. If only we could have designated responders or something, but for now that’s how it is.
I think making a post about the interview is fine btw, but the headline is a bit sensationalist. It asks for rehashing the “Is Adam a Diva” discussion.
edit – sorry, messed up quotes
Why should it be the issue? As someone posted before ‘“ it doesn’t concern me personally, the next guy is always the smelly one, not me’ ¦ :arrow_wp:
DSP this is not about you or Q3 it is about why people get pissed off at things said on here.That is great news great for the kids.
I have seen people rip danny about his charites on here.Time and time again (i have done it my self)and still have my doubts.danny has had 4 large donation i know of total of 50,000.I have defended danny about a few things even if i don’t like him.When adam makes a mistake he will take heat for it.
BUT
I bet danny doesn’t care if sweaty-smelly fans donate to his charity.If adam pissed 1 fan off saying what he did that would of gave to his charity.Guess what that was 1 to many in my eyes.
Impressive — and that is just the start.
This isn’t quite as charitable but still worth noting. Adam’s Pennyroyal pendant benefits Musicare. Sold out the 100 offered in less than two hours, @ $150 a pop. They are going to sell them again starting next Mon, 8/24, for seven days only. I’m buying three. Something for myself and something for Musicare, so we both benefit from this.
Oops, I messed up that last post with the quotes…. or maybe I’m just pinning it all on weareallinnocent
I dunno, I don’t get the calling them smelly. It’s not funny, doesn’t seem to have a point, I just don’t get it. It’s a like a 10 years old offense.
He doesn’t have a filter? To me most of the time just sounds like someone trying to be cool. Calling someone smelly does not equal not having a filter in my world, it equals to being childish.
I wonder if he smells like roses after the sweating on stage.
The thing about that part of the interview is that the whole “I love them all. If it weren’t for them I wouldn’t be whe I am, etc” sounds really lame and false. Like he’s just telling nice things before going and calling them out. It’s like when he says he wants to meet fans and be with the fans but we really don’t see him trying to. No, I don’t care, because I’m not a fan who wants to meet him, but I just have an hard time believing some of the stuff he says. Most of it rings false to me.
LMAO anthrogeek! And, yeah, thanks for the “quote” credit too. LOL
Good point Sassycatz:
Southeast Asia gets very hot and is very humid. Adam is going to hate the meet and greets there because of the weather.
Face it folks, Adam is a diva and it’s ok. LOL. He will lose some fans for being too blunt, look what happen to Blake. Don’t be too much of a douche Adam, it’s not becoming. I totally understand what he is talking about with smelly fans. I am still an Adam fan but he is such a pretentious bitch these days, lol. It’s his nature I guess. I remember meeting the guys from Blur, R.E.M and several other acts after a concert, they didn’t smell like roses either. They didn’t give a crap what their fans smell like as long as they bought their f-ing cds. hahaha
I guess the idols have a chance to freshen up before they come out and meet their fans, lol. So make sure you do an armpit check before you meet the idols and travel with a small deoderant stick at all times. hahhaha Whateversssssss….. I need to go back and read the hundreds of post on this subject, or not. :)
I laughed when I first saw this and the words ‘DAMAGE CONTROL! DAMAGE CONTROL!…entered my mind. Then I thought…where’s Adam’s Filter?…Oh! That’s right…Adam doesn’t have a FILTER!! LOL And that’s one of the things I love about him! Could he have said it a little more ‘delicately’? Sure. But, to me, it isn’t a big deal. I’m sure he’ll learn alot from this incident. It’s kind of the way life will be for him from now on. That “FAME THING” you know!!
I am an Adam fan and I will continue to be a fan. I never, even in my youth, was a screaming type of fan (I’m not putting those who are down) and I do not understand this barracade thing at all. And this ’50 plus’ concert tour dates, to me, is insane! All I want for the cost of my ticket is to be able to see Adam perform… where I can listen to his AMAZING voice and stage presence. I just want to be throughly entertained! It’s all about the MUSIC to me.
I agree
Late to the party again – but up in the thread someone referenced an Adam quote that he would like to share a meal with each of his fans (paraphrase) – I do think that part of Adam’s interaction/lack of same with his fans is this: he is very bright, very articulate, very interested in a lot of things, and apparently really enjoys genuine social interaction (like his mom – apples don’t fall that far from trees). How frustrating it must be to have a couple of seconds with each of a million fans, but no real interaction. On a much, MUCH smaller scale, I have been in situations where there was no real social intercourse with anyone, just many random moments with too many people – at the end of the event, I have felt exhausted and emptied, with the sense that no one benefited. I would think back to the people in the crowd who seemed interesting and really mourn the fact that I wasn’t able to really talk with them – a lost opportunity.
Multiply that by tens of thousands…
Oh good grief. I commented back on page 2 of this thread, I think, about how this was much ado about nothing and then went off to do some “real work” (imagine!). And now I come back at we’re at 11 (or maybe even 12 by now) pages?
Where are Wolfgang or flying dildos when you need them?
Jeez, I really think this was no big deal. That said, those of you who have, like me, found this not so earth-shattering are hysterical. Thanks!
Well, I listened to the interview and have read the 11 pages of comments. I just laughed when I heard Adam ´s comments. He is so real. I know that the US goes for political correctness, but is the US politically correct? Hmmm…
Back to the interview, I think that it was a lighthearted response to the question posed by the interviewer. But, as we all know by know, Adam is NEWS.
Personally, when I was teaching in high school, I used to ask my students who were coming back from the break (they were in the patio under the sun) to wash their arm pits before coming to my class. It was impossible to be in a closed classroom with 30 sweaty teens.
I wished more people in the world were as sincere as Adam but unfortunately there is too much Bs.
Oh, geeeeeez! Don’t shoot the messenger. MJ’s not the one who said Adam’s fans are smelly, he did. Besides, it gives Adam’s fans yet another excuse to ramble on about Adam! Yay!
None! They are saints, you see. There’s St. Sarver, Patron Saint of Twitter. St. Meghan of Caw, Patron Saint of Bird Baths. St. Scotty the Blind, Patron of Wild Angels…Wild, Wild Angels. St. Lil of Little, Patron Saint of Stank Eye. St. Anoop, Patron of Frat Boys. St. Matt, Patron Saint of Unicornus Keritosis. St. Allison, Patron Saint of Cutters. St. Danny, Patron Saint of Tool Makers, and, of course, Beloved St. Kristopher, Patron Saint of AT&T Text Messengers. Adam? Not a saint. Thank God.
LMAO-FULL OF WIN laughed so hard hit the wrong button posted it and knocked me off line.
St. Allison, Patron Saint of Cutters was not a saint the nite the fan grabed her neck(took heat for being mean and nasty) but I’m sure she did 10 hail adam’s that nite.
To respond to the comments from my earlier post. I love Adam and will support him always. The whole point I was making was that AI has set a precedent for their tours that the idols come out to sign as part of their thank you to the fans. Those of us, and it is a large number, do the barricade thing to get that autograph and to thank them, congratulate them, etc. I guess I had gotten my hopes up too high in getting his autograph and then when he did not come out I and a lot of others were real disappointed. The other 9 thought they should come out for some reason but was confused when he did not. We asked Matt if Adam was going to come out and he said Adam never comes out he sends us instead. Yes in Philly it was hot but none of us smelled like a skunk. We even joked with Kris when he took a picture with us that we were sweaty and he said that’s ok I am too and we laughed. Yes, I paid to see the show and I got my money’s worth but I guess because they do the signings, we look for it. We know it is not a given but if 9 came, where was the 10th one and why. When I read the smelly thing I hoped that he was joking. Please don’t stereotype the people who stand at the barricades, we are just normal folks like any one supporting our idol.
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Love the Saints, Zsus!!!!!
We also have a home in Southeast Asia. We have drivers who work on other things and when its time for them to drive air-conditioned cars, they freshen up, they change, they are considerate of their passengers. I find that respectful.
It is a civilized thing to be considerate of others. We run a retail chain and top selling and highest percentage increase – is Health and Beauty products . Selling even more than food products.
I think if we want Adam to be considerate of the fans, the fans likewise also have to be considerate. That is what civilized relationships are for. It is not insulting for Adam to say so. If you listen to the interview and read the transcript it is not meant to be an insult. I think MJ is just interpreting it as an insult. But that is her personal prerogative. I will respect that also.
They just don ´t dare.
This thread is cracking me up. The whole thing is so silly its impossible to take it seriously. LOL :lol_tb:
Zsus that could be one of the funniest things I’ve read today!
Well, I guess he won’t be hob nobbing with the hoi polloi, if he has anything to say about it. Oh Doctor!!!!
I keep thinking about Archie and Cook being inundated with fans in the Philippines everywhere they went. It was a Beatles-like mob scene. I know nothing about Philippine culture and sensibilities. They might be more obsessed with hygiene than we are! But, if they are not….
I do remember Cook mentioning how he, “unfortunately,” presented himself upon disembarking from the plane in Manila. The following is a ten minute video from his appearance on “Eat Bulaga,” a show on Philippine TV. At the 5:15 mark he talks about disembarking with greasy hair and no opportunity to put himself in order. The fans loved him anyway. (So … word to Adam. You can be a regular, human being upon landing in Manila.)
Eat Bulaga:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVYBP_hrrL8&feature=PlayList&p=A54C27859373771A&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=2
I see references like the one above a lot on here, and I don’t get it. Almost all up and coming artists (and many established) do M&Gs with their fans either before or after their shows. Establishing and maintaining that connection is key for their careers. Do fans have a “right” to an autograph or a meeting – no. Is it reasonable for them to hope for one – yes. It’s quite normal in fact.
The whole barricade argument will never be resolved – the smelly fans think they’re entitled, some just do it because it’s there, and the other 16,000 per concert are opposed to it or can live without it. I’m with the 16,000 who don’t feel I need to treat the Idols as exhibits in a human zoo, poking at their cages with a stick to see if they’ll snap.
Anyway, they put their leopard-print double-Ds on one strap at a time, just like us, so why should I be barricaded from them? Maybe in another venue, they’d be barricaded from me. Anyway, I don’t want to be one in the crowd. Dammit, if I bought a ticket and am going to buy a CD, I am entitled to dinner with Adam – on his dime!
MJ, my point was only that there were far more comments here than on Adam fansites (referring to one specifically) or on the 3 general articles that appear on a Google search. I was just trying to make an observation that for some reason your blog seams to have started a long conversation that isn’t occurring other places. Nothing more intended than that.
And, although I agree with you, most of the comments on this thread are being made by Adam fans, that wasn’t my point. However, I think that this thread has turned out to be both entertaining and interesting. And surprisingly, since I still think it is a trivial topic, stayed pretty much focused on 1. what Adam said and 2. does this really warrent a thread.
So, I think since it is now 12 pages, #2 is a moot point — the answer is “yes”.
Well, dang, mj. You ARE sneaky. Now we see why your site gets so many more hits than Mansfield’s.
I apologized upthread for using the word “glambert” instead of “Adam fans”–not realizing most of you would take that as an insult.
The point of the post was a little snark about Brian maybe taking the heat off me with his post, which was way more incendiary, than anything I wrote.
“Those of us, and it is a large number, do the barricade thing to get that autograph and to thank them, congratulate them, etc.”
I’ve heard of people sending a snail mail note to Adam, and getting an autograph in return. I haven’t tried this myself, (not sure what I’d do with an autograph, so I won’t pursue one), but it’s one option for those who want to congratulate Adam, and get an autograph.
I see a twitter party in the future…
Green River Ordinance, who were opening for David Cook and band for a few weeks and did not “gain fame” through AI, made a point — at both of the performances I saw — to say that they would be out in the lobby or along side the venue after the show for fans to meet them, sign autographs, and buy CDs. I can’t imagine they just came up with that because they were opening for David, the 2008 American Idol.
So, what does that say about them? A non-Idol rock/pop band? Are they trying to appease demanding, entitled fans or are they trying to connect with the public and garner fans. Maybe Adam has enough fans now and is above this? hmm?
I have attended many concerts with famous artists/bands and I have not met the artists (no M&Gs). However, I have gotten autographs from artists when they are promoting their CDs. Usually they are in a place where their CDs are being sold and you make a line with the CD you have just bought for the artist to sign. You can also write your artist and ask for an autograph.
LMAO This is so full of WIN! I had to quote in full. Funny as hell!
Yes please!!!! I LOVE twitter parties!!!!
The headline is total bait. And it totally worked hook, line and sinker.
The thing is, Sassycatz, is that the Idols are already well-known to the concert-going public who are specifically there to see them, having followed them all season long on a TV show. Therefore, they are far more familar, invested, and overzealous than fans would be for a largely unknown band who’s just opening for someone else and does not yet have much of a following. If GRO got these kinds of crowds when they did that, they’d probably have quickly changed their minds!
Yes, this is true. Sometimes fans have to pay, and pay a lot. Other times, not so.
Many big acts meet their fans, this idea that AI fans started all this m&g puzzles me. Meeting the artists is not an AI tour thing, it happens a lot.
Maybe Adam won’t mind the smelly fans if they’re paying to meet him later in his career.
I’m blaming this whole thing on Wolfgang. The poor skunk couldn’t help spraying Adam, (poor Wolfie was probably so excited about having his uncle Adam put that guyliner on him), and then Wolfie told Adam that the sweaty, OTT fans were really the smelly ones. No wonder they ditched Wolfie.
St. Allison, Patron Saint of Cutters.
Allison cannot be a Saint. She wears improper outfits for her age. She should wear a burka or something similar ;-)
Well controversy sells his digital album just moved from 47 to 40. I know it doesn’t take much for them to move up the chart, but still people are still purchasing it.
Have you seen these guys? I don’t think “smelly fans” bother them much. They supposedly hold their tour caravan together with refrigerator magnets. I love how welcoming and warm they were. They gained so, so many fans via their tour with DC.
In the grand scheme of things I don’t give a twit what Adam said or what MJ wrote….all I know is this thread filled a boring Friday afternoon and I’ve had a lot of fun reading 12 pages about NOTHING. And tomorrow the sun will rise and it will be a new day and MJ better find something else good to help entertain me….geesh I hate being unemployed!
And, Adam will still be around and he’ll still be making stupid comments and I’ll still complain about how SOME fans think they are entitled to all things holy because….wait for it….they are an AI FAN and, less we forget, they made Adam (and Kris and Allison and everyother Idol) into the “celebs” they are today.
Gosh, I love being a fan BUT I’m sure glad I’m not a member of the SOME fans club!!!!
I didn’t know that and it’s interesting.
I don’t know why Adam doesn’t interact with fans. Maybe it’s “doctor’s orders”, maybe he feels he doesn’t have to, maybe he doesn’t want to.
I have no idea if this is going to wind up hurting him. I do know someone who went to two Idol-sanctioned Meet and Greets and he didn’t turn up at either. People were apparently pissed but we aren’t talking about that many people. Forty or fifty maybe? I think you can make fans out of people if you interact with them but do you lose fans if you don’t?
This oughta be good for another 20 comments easy.
No, no. St. Allison, Patron Saint of Cutters and Cleavage.
hehehe I so make myself laugh sometimes…
Completely agree.
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So full of win. :clap_tb:
So full of win. :clap_tb:
Of course you’ll loose the fans who want a piece of you. They are entitled, aren’t they. Bet ya dimes to donuts these same fans won’t stand in a line to get an autograph when they have to buy a CD to get it.
Actually, Ryan Star did the same thing at several David Cook shows. He and his band were selling cd’s and taking pics with fans.
I have to tell you. They gained so-o-o many fans. Many audience members went over to meet them who had never heard of them before that night. I’m afraid I held back because I am shy and tend to say very sarcastic things under “pressure” so I didn’t want to subject them to that. (I know, hard to believe.) But, I saw so many people walking around with their autographs and their CDs. They are charming, charming young men. I really adore how they interacted with the public.
maybe Adam has a crowd phobia because he spoke to Jamie about this before Idol was even over
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44PKbmKmEo4
ETA: I must be the only person who was not blown away by ‘Heartless’. It does nothing for me.
ETAA: corrected ‘I’ to ‘he’
So now whoever blogs about AI (or is it just Adam) has to be careful that the headline isn’t sensationalist or attention-grabbing? Because who would want that in a headline? It may actually encourage people to click!
Every single fandom in the Idolsphere always has fans that will grumble about mj being biased against their guy/gal or too focused on the other guy/gal. Every.single.year. As I said above, I would probably give Adam a high-five right now for what he said. I thought it was awesome that he said it. But I’m sure as hell not gonna blame mj for bringing the comment to my attention. It’s obviously an interesting piece of news if we’re still commenting on it some 12 pages in. I guess I just never saw it as her job to present these guys in the best possible light or even in an even-handed light. She’s just covering what garners attention.
LOL your probably right Tess. Adam is just tactless at times, it’s all good. He might piss off a few entitled fans but besides that no one really gives a crap. I don’t give a crap. I will still buy St. Diva Adam’s cd when it comes out. lol. It better be fierce. If not it will get stored away with all the other AI cds that I bought in the past that are collecting dust now. lol, except for a few really great gems.
In the long run this isn’t going to matter at all
Just had to put in my 2 cents about this:
I honestly don’t find what Adam said particularly offense or bad at all. First, he really doesn’t have a filter. I know it, a lot of his fans know it, and so when he says stuff like that I’m more amused and just think “oh, that’s Adam!” Whatevs. I can see it being a pretty humorous thing to say even.
And as for MJ posting stuff like that, I know she posts all the idol news, good/bad/in between, for anyone, which I love! Maybe it’s all the more interesting to note that only Adam could generate a quote and headline like that, with such a non-story, and then have 12 pages of comments to go with it :-) Now THAT is pretty powerful!
Them little smelly’“very touchy-feely fans,you know the AI OTT nut jobs.They don’t buy 1 album more like 5-10.They buy anything itune that comes out for the idol they love.Even some of there friends songs when they get tweeted.Adam saying what he did is like the farmer eating the piece of chicken when his wife finds the golden egg. :doh_tb:
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IDK… Adam could very well be the Patron Saint of Dildo Users.
Ok, late to the game – I was stuck in the RS Photo thread, slightly annoyed that weight and skin issues were being discussed, all the time thinking it was a slow night.
I wish that the headline & story were a true representation of the recording – he laughs while saying it, but that is not mentioned.
I totally understand why some might have been hurt by the Glambert reference. I always think that “Glambert” is a bad word here (referring to crazies) ….but I have no idea why, just a feeling I have …maybe others do to.
It’s funny … I heard this radio interview last week. I listened to it, chuckled a bit, and then forgot about it. The “smelly fans” comment didn’t really phase me — it didn’t seem like a big deal. I didn’t give the interview a second thought until today. If people hadn’t called specific attention to the “smelly fans” comment I wonder whether anyone would have noticed it? I kinda doubt it.
I still think this is much ado about nothing. I doubt Adam meant to insult anyone — it sounded to me like he was making a lame joke. But I’m glad to see everyone had a good time here today!
That’s a huge following.
More posts! go for 13 pages!
Adam said he is kind of ridiculous. And so are we!
Hey, come on now, we only know he’s a dildo-KICKER. We just can’t speak for the other…. and I hope we don’t start…..
Right, it happens every year. And it changes, depending on who you ask, Typically, if I criticize or snark on an Idol, a subset of the fandom will jump to the conclusion that I “hate” that Idol and that I’m only dissing their fav to prop up my fav. It’s hard to convince fans that my opinion isn’t that personal. And if the fan dug a little deeper, they’d discover that I criticize and praise all the Idols at different times.
There was a conversation one day in the Headlines thread, where people were assuming that Mansfield and Slezak hated certain Idols, when if you looked at their body of work–it was clear that wasn’t so. But sometimes, fans will take one negative remark, and run with it…blocking out everything else a blogger has to say about that contestant.
Thanks for saying that.
Mary102-only Adam could generate a quote and headline like that, with such a non-story, and then have 12 pages of comments to go with it :-) Now THAT is pretty powerful!
So true. I heard this interview yesterday (I think at TWOP)and thought nothing of it because I heard it in context with the whole interview. The only thing that struck me was that his voice sounded so hoarse and tired. I believe it was just before he had to go on vocal rest. It seems on this blog all Adam has to do is sneeze and it causes a hurricane. LOL!
Oh look! me and Adam agree: we hate smelly people.
Lol that this thread has so many comments. Adam’s name rules the Internet!
Unless I missed it, nobody brought that interview to the headlines thread, did they? Usually everything makes it there within moments of being posted somewhere else…
Cool, huh? I figure it bodes well for the sale of his first CD. Now if only the music is good and showcases him well, I think he’ll be set.
LOL!!!! THAT’S why they’re getting thrown at him while he’s performing. It’s a religious ritual.
Was thinking the same thing.Any thing adam makes it here in light speed.I guess we can call it java the hut-gate.
Thanks! That’s exactly what I meant but I couldn’t come up with the right wording. :laugh_tb:
Usually I get google alerts, I got nothing on this until MJ posted it. Then I got several alerts from other blogs. MJ people are ripping you off.
For all we know, these smelly, sweaty fans are also germ-infested sneezers, which may account for him (or any of the Idols) becoming sick, therefore, affecting their performance, therefore, affecting their subsequent fan interaction, therefore… well, you get the idea. Just sayin’ – maybe he got sick from them and doesn’t wanna give it back or catch it again once it’s run its course…?
Wow. This is crazy.
Almost every time an Idol says or does anything out of the ordinary, or amusing, or whatever, it gets posted some way. Sometimes in headlines, sometimes it gets its own post. Adam is very popular this year, so he’s gonna get his own post if he says something that might generate conversation. Big whup.
13 pages later, it goes from the usual type stuff to pure crazy. Seriously? It wasn’t sensationalist when Danny got snarked on for going to dinner with a pretty girl? Paula has a posted dedicated to her right now, snarking on her alleged divatude. But because it is Adam its different somehow?
I understand dedication to your favorite and all, but this is nuts.
Actually, I think this isn’t entirely about Adam but about something that’s been germinating in the fandom for years, especially on the more snarky fandom sites like VFTW. Look at their comments over the years. Where do you think the derivsive Claymate term came from, during and after SEASON 2 — over seven years ago.
Adam didn’t invent the wheel; he’s just the latest model.
This is quite the hyper analytical stink fest :bigsurprise_ee:
I left at page 8 and now we are at 13. I guess I might as well follow along nothing on tv :-)
I still think when you see a skunk you call it a skunk ok a Wolfgang skunk but still a skunk.
It’s because in general Idol World, if some dumbass fan of Adam does something stupid, a lot of places harp on it (including Adam-centric places) and call it “Glambert” and then that sort of snowballs from there, trying to paint Adam fans as some crazy Glambert collective. So yeah, that’s why people get edgy when called glamberts now since people try to use that term to label everyone as crazies in the Idolsphere. Outside, not so much. Amy Adams and Adam himself label themselves “Glambert” so it works in some context.
I wasn’t taken back by the topic (it’s pretty lame, in my opinion), but this discussion that Adam HAS to sign by non-Adam and Adam fans like (mainly the former) and owes his fans something. And if Adam fans don’t care or agree, it somehow comes across as mindless to some. I’ve met some musicians and the like at shows, but honestly, outside of the AI Bubble (including some opening acts, apparently) it is not the norm to sign at barricades. Maybe there are passed M&G (which, from my experience, was just called backstage passes and mainly the aim of groupies), but a signature and meeting is NOT the norm of the most gigs. I know people who do wait for the bands at stagedoors, but those are considered weirdos in general.
I guess I just feel like I have wandered into Opposite World where it’s normal behavior to give a toss what an artist says (no matter how minor) and be entitled to interaction post-show, and not caring about an artist’s flippant remarks or fan interaction is the overly invested fan behavior.
I don’t think all 13 pages of comments are pro Adam….there are a lot of comments giving him hell. I just think this was a real innocuous thread that allowed people to have fun without getting really invested.
Well I do know for a fact that in SEA, fans aren’t gonna expect hugs and kisses with the stars. Lady Gaga came to Singapore just this month for an open air concert with a 10,000 strong crowd (I was there) and when the concert ended, people just streamed out. No meet and greets, no such ‘lofty’ meet-the-star expectations.
Whew. I have gotten through all 12 1/2 pages. I heard the interview a couple of days ago, but went back to listen to it after reading these pages.
The pages were hilarious, at least some posts. Like I posted earlier, Thanks Mj for making this a memorable Friday without a concert.
After listening to the interview again, I remember now why this did not register as a big deal to me. While listening to the interview, I felt that Adam was beginning to communicate how overwhelming this whole fame thing is. He is tired. He is adjusting to the fans. He is missing his friends. After the tour is over, he just wants to unplug and go into a hole for several days. He is grateful that his dream is coming true, but he just needs a break. I think I just want him to have a break. He needs a little down time. Yes Adam, be careful what you ask for. I hope they gave you some time on your day off to just chill.
Well…. MJ can correct me if I’m wrong, but I saw this first at TopIdol. I kinda think she’s the one who brought it to light. The interview is 10 days old, and there was no mention of it until her blog about Adam’s “smelly” comment. TI is pretty good at finding things other people miss. I’m not trying to take anything away from MJ, but I think TopIdol scooped this, and is the one who started “BO-gate.” *high five, Toppy!* However, MJ was the second place to post it (even before VFTW – what??). So she was on her toes. Everyone else has just followed the leaders. Perez, per his usual, is days behind.
Actually, I saw it in a tweet first. But my point is, that it showed up in popular places like IDF and TWOP, but was never posted here. That’s very unusual.
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Actually a link to this interview was posted here at MJs before today…I opened it but the sound was so bad that I said nevermind and moved on.
I’m glad MJ posted it again and added a thread….it’s always fun to snark!
I do agree with this but isn’t that precisely what you are doing with this thread about Adam. You take one part of a interview and blow it up forgetting about Adam’s body of work in his interviews where he has been nothing but a gentlemen and has said kind wonderful things. It seems that bloggers do exactly what fans do. I think it is a great way for you to generate hits to your site. I love your blog MJ and I think that you love to play devils advocate sometimes and that’s what keeps your blog interesting. But on the other hand as with Adam you don’t want to generalize any fan base. Adam fans are passionate. Maybe some feel too much but passionate fans tend to buy and I think that bodes well for you if they purchase music via your site. Which brings me to the question: do you get a tally of who’s music is purchase via your site and if so who generates the most purchases via your site by season? When are we getting a review from you of the concerts that you have seen? I am sure that will bring huge responses. :laugh_tb:
Lady Gaga doesn’t seem very huggable and that might be what Adam’s aiming for. The Davids however … mucho huggable.
That’s cos I think a lot of fans knew this was going to blow up out of proportion so they just kept mum. lol. I heard the interview but I didn’t post the thing here as I didn’t think it was that big a deal in the first place and it was funny.
Well MJ, Q3 was busy finding the links to the magazine shoot, squirrely and spring2009 were busy postings the tweets that we all love and I am only one step ahead of “Computers for Dummies” and that’s my final answer.
since this is an Adam thread
http://www.pridesource.com/article.shtml?article=36768
Sherena and Starrlight–So, if Danny and Sarver are promoting violence with their speech, why don’t you call for their imprisonment? Surely we don’t want their kind roaming the streets of our fair cities and towns.
If you wouldn’t mind, do kindly show me one person who was “beaten and chained to a tree to die” as a result of Sarver’s/Gokey’s lighthearted, off-the-cuff “gaffe.”
Lord have mercy.
Ah! I was thinking maybe TopIdol replayed the interview and said, “Wait a minute. Did he actually just call his fans ‘smelly?’ And no one has said anything about this?? I’m running with it.” Then, everyone else covered it. I don’t read IDF and only skim TwoP ever since I got FREAKING BANNED, so I missed it all early on. I kinda love this story. Yes, it’s a headache for the bloggers, but come on. It’s a hilarious scoop.
I think MJ has mentioned several times this season that lots of other contestants had this much buzz here on the blog and in the press, but didn’t amount to anything (I can’t speak to that – I am new) So right now all we have is a skin challenged, muffin topped guy, who has smelly fans – oh, and he can sing. Nothing more.
Thanks Squirrely that was a great article.
Originally posted 8/20/2009 and thinking about his ex stills makes him cry. I thought this was posted much earlier. If thinking about his ex still makes him cry, then this is not good news for Drake.
Good catch, Squirrely…
LOL. Muffin topped? Well, if Adam wants to wear the lady jeans, he has to join the side effect as well.
(And yes, fan buzz isn’t indicative of much–it’s outside stuff that one needs to pay attention to. ;) )
Haha! Well, to be fair, there’s a LITTLE more to him that that………. boy kicks a mean dildo!
ok omg. The video on d**do-gate posted by Perez has now over 254,000 hits. I hate the douchebag but he’s really the queen of entertainment media.
This was an old article posted on the web before, and was written by an acquaintance of Adam’s. I guess it was published in that newspaper but it’s certainly not a new article
Lets not forget if the bus get flat adam can turn in to michelinman and be the spare tire. :lol_tb:
Wow. I’m not even sure what to say about this. *shrug* whatever.
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Oh, and Squirrely, that’s an old article with a new date.
That’s a myth that’s been floating around these boards and it’s not true. He was very generous about signing autographs on the AI tour. Sometimes he did not come out because he was off doing something else (interview, or working on his cd). He was known to be extremely available to his fans on that tour.
I really hate to see untrue rumors get repeated. And this is not true.
Steve. LOL!!!!
But it’s not just one remark, it’s beginning to seem like a pattern. And it reminds me of Clay, who was known for putting his foot in his mouth (and his fans also excused every rude or inappropriate thing he said or did and called them endearing). It’s kind of deja vu. I hope that Adam will acquire a filter, because only devoted fans will find it endearing if it continues.
It came across that way to me, too. It sounded like he was just saying that to be P.C. and not like he meant it, when he followed it up with how smelly they are. And they are female fans, maybe he has issues with how women smell? It sounds ugly to me, to talk that way about his fans. I’m surprised (or not) that people think it’s cute and charming. And it does sound childish, too. These kinds of comments don’t make Adam sound like a nice person, sorry.
I can’t even imagine doing 50 concerts AND recording AND doing press interviews. Adam’s golden goose is his VOICE. I think fans would really be disappointed if he did all the meet and greets, blew out his voice and didn’t perform on stage. Adam says what he thinks, and he jokes around A LOT. Everyone is smelly sometimes, even Adam and he would be the first to admit it! 99.9% of the USA won’t know or hear about this thread. Much ado about nothing!
As for his skin? Who cares! Apparently Joe Jackson made fun of Michael Jackson’s nose and look what happened there, MJ (with the help of a plastic surgeon) mutilated himself. We really need to stop expecting people to look 100% perfect, Adam looks pretty darned good to me!
That creep may not be solely responsible for all the hits – someone just posted a link in the Headlines thread to a UK article with the same video. Guess that means dildo-gate has gone international. And to think, we were the ones who submitted it to a thorough forensic analysis mere moments after it happened and confirmed its authenticity, but do we get any credit – no!
This was funny
A twat to Adam
:lol_tb:
I still don’t know why some people are making a big deal about this. No one gave a sh!t when Megan said that Adam’s fans are “12 year olds” and “delusional”. http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b139488_american_idols_megan_joy_talks_paula.html
Did mj write an article about her comments about Adam’s fans?
When you actually hear the entire interview , with out a line taken out of context , it is really no big deal…..(he is laughing , and thanking all of his fans profusely ) but hey it at least managed to keep all entertained on a concert free nite. We get what you were saying Adam, others stirring up the pot for their own reasons. You stay well , you only owe us a great performance on the stage, and you have done that night after night! Luv our Adam.
This sounds so wrong.. LOL
Probably because most people don’t care what Megan says and didn’t even know she said it. Besides she was talking about someone else’s fans, not her own.
See, but most people won’t notice this, won’t care (I don’t, and not because I am devoted, but I am used to musicians who mouth off about all sorts of crap… and it is a stretch to say he is saying it purely because they are women, and even if he doesn’t like the smell of women, that’s a biological function of sexuality, but I don’t even know how we could possibly get there on that comment) or those overzealous, smelly fans will be so overzealous (possibly smelly) and they won’t realize it is them.
The style of music and image Adam seems to already be establishing (starting with RS) already plays to a base that doesn’t care about that sort of thing. He’s not Carrie Underwood, that is for sure. Even if he is a sub-par or a GaGa-clone, he isn’t necessarily going to get in a market that needs a filter. OTT works in that world. And, overall, Adam is more charming than someone who puts his foot in his mouth.
I wonder with all the press if security will be confiscating illegal dildos? Maybe people will finally stop throwing those and just stick with the bra’s.
OK, I had to come back to make an update to my previous post. A few hours ago, there was an 8 comment thread on this on IDF. Now there is a new thread on IDF_Adam Lambert based on this blog article and it is at 13 pages/250 comments and growing.
Well, all I can say then is I’m glad BB rocked the ~gate with finesse and aplomb. And he nailed Zeppelin (as usual). The ratings for the video are awesome in spite of being viewed by so many people, probably haters as well, so I guess it’s good publicity after all. lol. I bet the UK audiences are loving it.
I wonder if we can get phoebe (from friends)to write a song called “smelly fans” :clap_tb: :drunk_tb:
Err… as opposed to the legal dildos….?
Adam is Adam. If it will make the other Idols shine, then by all means do it at his expense. Attack him as much as you want and paint him as the worst person Idol has produced. He is bound to be a failure anyway……NOT.
I think you just did, steve. Maybe you should be added to his collaboration team.
Max Martin, RedOne, Rob Cavallo, and…. steve.
It kind of reminds me, Oceana, when David Cook threw the Sharpie at Castro fans and then stomped off after they had the nerve to ask him if he’d remind Jason to come out. OMG. Diva/douche. I don’t know what it is with these kids! They’re evil. The lot of them!!!
Wait OMG dildos are illegal… I never knew.. what does a legal dildo look like .. a rubber chicken?
LOL! Too funny. Yeah, so much fuss about the sweaty, smelly quote, but NOTHING on the kangaroo, in all it’s randomness?
Tongue in cheek – all that is being discussed tonite is skin, weight and smells. I think he is a great looking guy, nothing wrong with his skin or weight. And I smell just fine, but then again you won’t find me out standing by a barricade.
Why do I wish that we could go back to the time where no one believed that said item was dildo-like?
Wow, I missed a lot by having a life away from my computer for one day! YIKES! Well, there’s not much I could possibly add to all the very well-thought-out comments that have been made on both sides of the fence. I do, however, like to put in my two cents. So… I stand by MJ for reporting a story and giving her opinion as she pleases; It is her blog site, after all. That’s not to say that I agree, however, that Adam’s comments were insulting. To me, he clearly stated that some fans were stinky and smelly, or whatever his hygiene-related adjectives were. I’m sure some are! I don’t think it was the best idea to make that comment, but it’s sooooo Adam that I find it more amusing than anything. I mean, many of his fans appreciate his personality because he’s so candid, and interviewers typically love him for the same reason. It doesn’t seem fair to throw stones now just because that candidness hits close to home. I love Adam’s personality because he’s so funny and bold. Sometimes, really funny, bold people make comments that come off as being insensitive. IMO, it comes with the package. I would sure be sad–as, I’m sure, the media would be–if Adam started clamming up on interviews in fear of insulting people!
Hey if i get 10 percent cut i will hug every smelly fan that buys a copy.
The Sun published the Dildo story in the UK. They also published the false Westboro Baptist Church San Jose story, and the “Adam is a Diva Story” without botherng to mention that the sources are anonomous. They really do not have any standards or practices about what they publish.
I think only in Alabama.
It was put in a headlines post. I got it from here and loaded it, but didn’t listen to it and intended to so do at a later time, so bookmarked it. The first place I saw it as some BIG DEAL was ontd_ai, they made a post about it with the post title: “Newsflash: Glamberts stink,” and inside it had the parts you used as well in your blog entry about this, as it’s the pertinent part. http://community.livejournal.com/ontd_ai/1900645.html?page=6#comments That was at 8:49 pm Aug. 21 UTC time(I miss GMT), but to put it into perpective, a more current post in this one is 2009-08-22 12:40 am UTC now. So it’s not that the post was put up last night, it’s that they used Greenwhich Mean Time(I’m being Old Skool) for their datestamp and I can’t find a decent online converter to tell me what that means for me in the US. Is Sunn around? if so, perhaps you can help convert that for me.
My timeline could be all wrong, but I believe they could be why it got so big from there on places like Twitters and TopIdol, because they ontd_ai can generate buzz in those areas at times. I don’t know about the Twitter times, and I am certainly not going to check TopIdol so no idea if I’m wrong or right. I suspect theirs was the first big post about it, and it went from there.
Phew I was worried there for a min. :lol_tb:
well the legal ones too…
poor attempt at humor, but seriously it should be illegal to throw dildos at someone in public.
All of that work and I believe that Perez is presenting it as if it was a real dildo. (I can’t double check because I can not go back to that site!)
I’ve just been going through some of the comments quickly, but I really liked this one – exactly how I feel about the situation, and about Adam. Sometimes I for one get a little sick of celebs being completely PC and BS’ing to keep the fans happy. I’ve actually noticed that both Adam and Kris (and even Allison, with her CRAAAZZZY tweets) all come across as being a little more real, by just saying it like it is, rather than being clean and perfect about everything.
Wow! still here talking about smellygate! This could get as big as John Lennon’s statement in ’66 about being more popular than Jesus! I went to the concert anyway!!LOL. I hope there’s a concert tomorrow. I’d rather hear about emo or Elvis, baby or woman…………………………………..
Bet THAT’S a sentence you never thought you’d have to say! Haha!!
If Adam says that Kris’s fans are ’12 year olds’ and ‘delusional’ , then there will be an uproar. I see a double standard.
Newsflash: He doesn’t care. Period. That much is self-evident. Kudos to those who realize this but continue to admire him.
Sad – I think of that song when I change my cat’s litterbox
In honor of Adam’s fans
Smelly Fan Smelly Fan
What are they feeding you
Smelly Fan Smelly fan
It’s not your fault ;p
Truthiness, if you are on the east coast GMT is 6 hours difference, so 8:49pm would would be 2:49am the next day at Greenwich, England.
The tone of his voice and his laugh when he mentioned smelly fans only implies that he doesn’t mind those smelly fans. It’s a playful and lighthearted respond to the question, and this do not deserve 13 pages of discussion. It’s fun to read though. No one mentioned how he seems so grateful to his fans from this same interview. Don’t just read the words, listen to the interview. It wouldn’t have caused this much discussion if the headline read: Adam on Overzealous Fans : I love them all although some are a bit smelly.
Come to think of it, I was at the barricades before my show on a 90-plus degree day in early August, and I know I was probably pretty smelly and icky at that point. So, thank you, Adam, for the helpful word of advice ;-) I’ll know to bring deoderant next year.
Just realized that, even without a show, we now have sweaty-smelly-gate.
Allow me let me get this straight. If He offends you, He is given a pass while you are automatically counted among the “entitled.” But if you happen to offend Him, you should get your dumb, smelly arse outta here? Or worse. Is that about right?
Good Night everyone thanks for the “SMELLY” Good time eh!
:thumbup_tb:
Man, touchy-feely-gate got SO dissed! It’s all about the smells and the sweat.
Exactly. If she had called her own fans immature and delusional, while at the some time, no longer meeting her fans at the barricades, there would have been a post about it.
99% of the discussion is from his fans and is positive. There is very little criticism of his comment mixed in.
La la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la
(Can we set a record page count?)
Not to mention there’s no show tonight and we’re all in need of our nightly fix. The RS photos are much more positive, imo, but, alas, far less controversial! Hence 14 pages here.
It’s not a double standard. For the most part people just don’t care what Megan says or thinks. Adam on the other hand has lots people interested in what he says and some of them pick it apart. It’s part of the fame thing. To most of his fans this is a grin and shrug. After all, he just told the truth as we all know it to be. I’d rather keep getting interviews that make me laugh like this one than interviews like some other idols give (who I won’t name so as not to offend) that are careful to give the most tactful and boring response.
I remember that–I thought that was a little childish. Not that it stopped me from buying his record as soon as it was released…
And frankly, if he was PC all the time and gave the standard boring pre-approved responses to everything, we wouldn’t be hanging on his every word, waiting to see what he’s gonna come up with next. All we’d have left is the music… and we can’t have that, now, can we???
So that post was made at 2:49 EST this morning in the US EST? Stupid round earth and your differing timezones.
I LOVE this! So true! (Quite) a few years ago, when I was in college PR and news writing classes, we had various exercises in which we were required to change the emphases in lead paragraphs and headlines so we could see what a difference the placement of words could make. It really is amazing the way members of media can color any given story.
You’re not near a record. I remember when Katharine McPhee being sick would get thousands(s) of posts. Good times.
Smellygate is almost over. However Adam not meeting fans at M&G (which are small fan gatherings) may be a bigger one. Yes, even Idols on vocal rest (Archie, Pickler) used to do them with little signs saying they couldin’t talk. They’d smile and do the autograph thing.
I’m not sure Idols are obligated to do M&G but they may be. Let’s see if Adam stops doing them completely.
Good point. I have to agree. I not only see a double standard, I smell one. lol
Well, it depends on how he offends you. If you are offended because he doesn’t sign your programme after a show, then yeah, that’s entitlement in my opinion. If he offends you because he kicked your puppy or called you a name, then he was offensive.
If you offend aromatically, well, oops. You can stay or get your ass out of there, but you have aromatically assaulted him. You don’t have to leave (Sarver might be on his way too!), but as someone who has never been into an AI contestant before and followed this post-show, I don’t think fan interaction is part of the deal. Sorry, that’s just weird to me and no matter how many previous anecdotes are provided, as an outsider to this, it’s weird. And as someone who has a huge personal bubble and a keen sense of smell, I don’t like people near me. I have to suck it up and deal with it sometimes (London Underground, hey!). And it’s not like he said all fans offend him because they smell — he joked about smelly, sweaty fans. I don’t see why people would care unless they were that smelly, sweaty fan hugging up on him. Those fans probably don’t care since they hugged Adam and probably squeed! Or now they are crying into their RS. Whatevs.
i keep coming back to this post out of curiosity but i would not say out of enjoyment
This “smelly” discussion is such a non-issue.
In a week or two he’ll say something else which will get everyone in an uproar because it’s taken out of context….and this will be long forgotten.
In a week or two he’ll say something else which will get everyone in an uproar because it’s taken out of context’ ¦.and this will be long forgotten.
actually it might take less than a week. there’s always hoopla were adam is concerned. he has not done interviews, m&gs or signings in ages and somehow he still manages to cause comotion. the mere fact that he is not doing these is causing hoopla too .lol.
And if Kris said Adam’s fans were 12 years old and delusional or if Danny said Adam’s fans were 12 years old and delusional, there would be a HUGE uproar on the blog. So, I’m not seeing the double standard.
Taylor Swift Buys Eight Pizza Pies For Waiting Fans
Taylor Swift must be a top contender for ‘Nicest Celebrity Ever’ after the stunt she pulled outside her London hotel on Friday night (August 20).
The 19-year-old country cutie treated all of her waiting fans to dinner including eight Domino’s pizza pies, several boxes of cookies, and cartons of milk. Everything was delivered but Taylor took the time to hand it all out to her fans!
T.S. fan Rojan tweeted, ‘Taylor Swift bought me and other fans pizza for dinner’ ¦.then she gave me cookies and milk, haha. XD She is like epic. I love you.’
Tomorrow and Sunday, Taylor has sold-out concerts to play at ‘V-Fest (Hylands Park)’ in Chelmsford, UK. Then she’s off to play another sold-out concert at NYC’s MADISON SQUARE GARDEN.
Read more: http://justjared.buzznet.com/#ixzz0OsZ7bvNa
Just sayin’
BB
For what it is worth, I love my students but have been known to say to others that some of them need a little help with personal hygiene…said with a smile, prefaced with the fact that I love them.
Kinda the same.
Just sayin.
I am certain that 19 and Adam will do whatever they need to do to make sure Adam doesn’t have to cancel a concert. He is singing with some kind of throat/vocal issue and I do not believe is lying when he says he is under doctor’s orders for 100% vocal rest. He did not just eliminate the public signings, he eliminated everything from his schedule except the concerts and major commitments — he has not even done an intreview since 8/11/08.
I predict that Adam will sign at at least one more public M&G before the concert tour is over — unless they decide it is a security risk to Adam or the fans.
I agree!
So where was an HUGE uproar on the blog when Megan said that Adam’s fans were 12 years old and delusional?
Haven’t we had previous discussions about the Idols themselves wearing their stage outfits repeatedly w/o washing them – in fact, didn’t Kris himself say that he doesn’t wash the shirt because he’s only in it for a short time? In fact, if you go to the new RS photos, he’s even shown wearing the same thing he had on for the GMA performance, while Adam has changed his clothes. Methinks something a little fishy is going on regarding Adam’s double standards, and it’s not just the fishy smell……
There, that can’o worms oughta be good for tipping the scales toward 1000 posts in this thread….
And this amazingly continues….
I’ve always had very good spidey sense about when something was going to blow up, but this one took me by surprise.
Personally, I’ve never cared what my favorite artist says or does so long as they make good music and put on a good show, but I’ve always gotten a little chill when they say something stupid. The chill that says “Oh great, that’s going to get them in trouble.” (And I’m a fan of a lot of bands that say stupid things. Heck, I’m a huge Dixie Chicks fan.)
But, I didn’t get that here. Nope. Not offended by the comment initially. Still not offended. Never will be offended.
Wow, it has to be a concert free slow news day. This thread is still going strong! And I left a few hours ago thinking all that could be said about this had been said! LOL. I think we should call this the Seinfield Thread – a thread about nothing!
I am a huge DC fan. He was my first and remains my favorite Idol, but yes, the throwing the pen thing was childish.
What Adam said on the other hand, is harmless. Listen to the interview; in response to a question about what the craziest thing is that happened to him on tour, he answers lightly but truthfully. ’em>Some fans are too touchy or smelly.’ Is he wrong? No. He then says he accepted a 4 foot inflatable kangaroo while thinking “WTF, I don’t know what I am going to do with this!’ Did he say that to the giftgiver? No. Did he name names in either case? Again, no.
Oh well, the much ado continues. Thanks (almost) everyone, for keeping the comments in this thread as light as you have. At least it is turning out to be a fun read! And thanks for making it all possible MJ!
LOL!! Me, too! I don’t give a shit what these Idols do as long as they give me some music…..music……music….
Kris knows how to respect fans and not make them obese so Anoop has to tell them they need to dance! Cookies, milk and pizza are NOT good for the figure. What was Swift thinking?
:ohmy_tb: Maybe Adam was talking about Kris since it is quite clear Kris is an Adam stan. Kris, next time you try and hug Adam, wash first.
It did piss some people off, but the comments were confined to the headlines thread. Personally, I don’t care what any of them think about other Idol’s fans.
Too funny the fans have changed their names to the Glambutts and Lambskunks.
What other remarks have there been? I must have missed them. (And please don’t say “twat”!)
ETA:
I guess I got my answer in a later comment. The first one I can see being part of a “pattern,” but the second I believe was in response to that girl who was harrassing him on Twitter so I don’t see a problem with it at all.
So what DC supposedly did (I hadn’t heard about that one) was childish, but what Adam said was harmless? Actually they are both harmless, and maybe both actions were childish. But what does one have to do with the other?
I’m sure we could think of things that lots of other idols said or did. So that means that we can’t ever comment on anything Adam did, if other Idols in the past years have also made mistakes?
I’m sure that David Cook probably got sh*t about it when it happened. I’ve seen him get sh*t about things he has said or done. They all do.
So if Adam gets comments about something he says, we should bring up the other Idols and that means what? That we should all shut up and leave Adam alone?
They all get noticed when they say things they shouldn’t. David Cook posted something to his fans on his myspace and it was a big deal. As fans, we have to accept that they are going to be discussed when they say or do controversal things. The only place that none of them will be criticized is on their fanboards. MJ has said a zillion times that this is not a fanboard. So criticism and discussion is par for the course and Adam is no exception.
I don’t agree with the attitude of fan entitlement, for sure, but, I have to say, firstly it is not just an Idol thing, it exists in the non Idol world as well, just ask all the teen Idol types, like the Jonas Bros etc, I think country music stars are expected to be accessible to a degree.
Secondly, when you do hear that certain actors or musicians or singers go out of the way to be good to fans, without being forced by management, or just doing something as a PR stunt, it can elevate one’s opinion of that artist. Does that increase record sales or movie ticket sales? Who knows really.
My fav band was my fav band because they were always acknowledging how important the fans were to their success and had great friendships with fans, friendships that have lasted until this day. Their music already made them stand out and their sense of humour made them stand out and this was just another layer on the cake, so to speak. My sense is that is one of the elements that attracted the hardcore fan base and can keep your fanbase loyal for a long time. Perhaps times have changed and that is harder for bands to do even if you are so inclined.
Alan Rickman is one of my favourite actors and he is apparently so good to his fans there is a site or there was a few years ago, where people posted their positive stories about meeting him, not in a stalkerish kind of way, and I have to admit it made me think more highly of him as a person. Fun read for sure. When he was working on a Broadway Play, in NYC he did take take time to sign autographs at the back stage door most nights. Some of the stories show what a great sense of humour he has but he also did things for fans that were over and beyond what anyone would expect. And he never toots his own horn, you’d never hear this in the press or anywhere else. Then again his fans are probably a bit less zealous.
Yeah these Adam-gates are occurring every few days now.
It’s just too bad for his polite, patient, and sweet fans. But I don’t blame him for wanting to get some space from the hyper fans.
I saw the most darling little girl come out to a meet and greet with her guitar for the idols to sign. The only one that came out was Matt. Those are the fans that I wish all the idols could meet, but I understand that they have no ability to reach those sincere and sane fans.
I wish she had gotten 10 signatures. ( And no she was not my child! LOL.)
Well I think it is now official — this is the Seinfield thread! And now almost twice the size of the “Godly Way” thread. And much more fun.
August 21, 2009: 714 Responses to ‘Adam Lambert On His Overzealous Fans: Sweaty, Smelly and Touchy-Feely’ as of 11:59PM ET 8/21/09
May 18, 2008: 400 Responses to ‘American Idol Finale Rehearsal Behind the Scenes: Let’s Make it Clear, Danny Gokey Loves Michael Sarver in the “Godly” Way’ as of 11:59PM ET 8/21/09
This is intended as a bit of humor, not a statistical analysis. And, yes, I know that there were many, many other comments about “Godly Way” in other threads.
Slow news day, eh? Move along, folks. There’s nothing here to see.
The thread that would not die….
Wow, I went out for dinner and there were about 500 comments on this thread, I come back and there are now over 700!?
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I didnt watch AI back then, but hard to believe people cared. that. much. about an Idol being sick.
Let’s just hope Adam never calls in sick!!
This is very late on this thread but I’ll just say…
I nearly mentioned this last week when a discussion of fans came up but I didn’t want to offend – when I was waiting at the buses in Ontario with so many people crowding next to the barricades the smell was awful…body odor…bad breath…smoke…garlic…and I thought to myself ewwwww…how so many people want to hug and take pics arm in arm with the Idols!
Those of us who remain objective relative to all things Adam will tell you just who’s feeling “entitled.” (Hint: initials are A.L.)
THANK YOU, MJ.
I don’t think the “smelly” comment was a big deal – but I’ve still recently felt a little irked listening to/reading some of Adam’s interviews/comments. I’m glad, MJ, that you’ve finally hinted that he could watch what he says a little more. I’ve been a big Adam fan – followed Idol from outside of the country, arranged my summer vacation in America so I could see him in concert. It never crossed my mind to wait for him at the buses, send him gifts, tattoo his name across my chest or whatever — but to all the zealous fans out there who have (and even to those who haven’t), I think a lot of Adam’s comments have come off as a bit condescending.
There are many examples, but for him to outright twitter to his fans, “Entitlement is not sexy” and “Quit being so negative”? Yes, Adam may have a point, but for him to directly chastise his fans – however rabid, negative, or angry they may be – isn’t a move that I necessarily find very ‘sexy’ myself. Adam thanks his fans for his support, then spends an equal amount of time, if not more, complaining about/criticizing the rabid ones in his interviews. Is that necessary? Criticizing and condescending is different from telling bemusing stories of wild fans.
I realize that Adam mainly gets to interact with the zealots who get up in his face, but if he has an issue with that, then he can take it to his therapist. Avoiding meet and greets, as well as complaining about any of his fans two seconds after thanking them in his interviews and tweets, takes away from the sincerity of his gratitude and makes it sound like he’s starting to take some of them for granted. But I think everyone, including Adam, realizes that him losing a few fans isn’t going to stop him from becoming a global phenomenon.
And as for the kangaroo and what the f**k Adam should do with it – he can give it to Wolfgang as company, once Kranoop go their separate ways and abandon their lovechild.
Typically if you aren’t liking a thread, it’s best just to stop posting in it, rather than complaining and trying to make people stop posting.
And usually Adam’s fans are delighted that he gets so many posts, as it’s a sign of how popular and newsworthy he is.
I’m sure if people stopped posting, the thread would stop. Like I said earlier, most of the posts are from fans and are positive about Adam, so I don’t see why there’s so much complaining about a few negative comments. That is not what made the thread so long.
I also think that mj has asked us to comment on the subject, and not on the thead itself (i.e. how long it is and that it won’t die).
Okay, objective one, pray tell: what is “A.L.” feeling entitled about? As honestly, an outsider to AI, I don’t see what the big deal is here about not going to barricades to meet people every night (or was it the aroma thing, but you addressed the programme one, so I don’t know which one it is).
I really can’t think of any prior potentially fan-offending comments that have been made by Adam. That’s not to say that others haven’t been offended by something, though; I can only speak for myself. Nothing Adam has ever said has offended me in any way. Again, I contend that we can’t have it both ways: We can’t love him for his off-the-wallness and off-the-cuffness and at the same time criticize him for being too off-the-wall and cuff. If being a fan of someone who is always PC is important to people, I think they’ll have to look elsewhere. Adam has always stated his mind, take it or leave it!
Isn’t this the point?
Ya know this is such a willfully obtuse statement that I am not even going to bother to explain my point. Peace out.
Joya you have put it into perspective for me. As I said earlier, it seems like a pattern. No matter how annoying the fans can be, celebrities have much to be grateful for, and should *try* not to chastise the fans unnecessarily. Sure it must be tempting to do so, but I think Adam has to learn to take the bad with the good when it comes to fans. Although maybe his fans are just not easily offended.
I see it’s a slow news day…
You do almost wish that there was a special lineup for the kids because they take this stuff more seriously when their fave does not come out or it is just too zoo-ish for their fave to get to them, though arguably their parents are the ones giving them the idea. Perhaps I am wrong.
The only autographs I ever bothered to get, as a child, I earned the autographs which made them special, when I was 12, I submitted 4 questions to Ask the Sabres by mail and they were good enough to on the air and I got the autograph of the hockey player that answered the question. Lords knows what happened to them, the marker had started to fade when I was a teenager.
Here are the entire tweets — it is quite a bit different in context — and makes more sense if you read some of the tweets that were sent to Adam:
Thank you Newark! Sorry I didn’t make it outside to sign autographs… Had lots of ny friends and family inside I never see. Plus rain! :(
9:07 PM Aug 9th from TwitterFon
Hey guys. I have gotten a few negative messages about not signing autographs. Sorry If anyone is dissapointed.
9:16 PM Aug 9th from TwitterFon
I feel bad but please understand that I try to give you guys 110% on stage. Your ticket is to see us perform! Entitlement is not sexy…
9:21 PM Aug 9th from TwitterFon
in reply to rickeyI Loooooooooove and am deeply grateful to my fans who made idol a dream come true. I feel that I express that love in my performance.Thank u
9:24 PM Aug 9th from TwitterFon
Thank you @rickey!! And thanks for your dedication to our show!!! :)
9:27 PM Aug 9th from TwitterFon
Thanks to those of you who “get it” You guys are so rad. The messages were really thoughtful. A few of you need to quit being so negative.9:38 PM Aug 9th from TwitterFon
Really? Inverviews as in more than one? Again, I must have missed the prior instances, and if there were any, why didn’t we see epic threads about those? Why was this one quote so “newsworthy” if he’s said it all before?
I think Adam is hysterical and I love him to death.
IMHO, though you are wont to mention it repeatedly, your A.I.8 “outsider” status is not particularly relevant to the discussion at hand. What IS relevant is your A.L. insider status and attendant biases. Damn those pesky initials! :,)
So, fans can have opinions, but the entertainers cannot? Fans can make whatever comments they want to about said entertainer on a trillion different web- and blog-sites, but they are supposed to bite their tongues at all times? This is their job, and I know at my job, I’m allowed to voice when something inequitable is occurring. If Adam feels that the fans are asking too much of him, I think it’s his right to say so. If a person doesn’t want to be his fan after that, so be it.
I think the only reason that Adam actually stated the sweaty smelly comment is because the interviewer said it first. Listen to the interview. Adam is trying to explain the fervor down at the barricades (which is horrible in my opinion and makes me cringe whenever I see a video of those signings at the barricades) but anyway, I digress, Adam is searching for a second for the words and the interviewer says sweaty and smelly and Adam picks right up on it and repeats it.
I actually love that he has no filter. He says what comes to mind. But I do worry it is going to get him in trouble some day. But this isn’t. I think its funny. I have never laughed so much in weeks. And I really think the fans he is speaking of are not his real fans. Not that many real fans hang at the barricades and the ones that do don’t act that way because it makes them sick. All that ‘can I touch you’ ‘can my daughter touch you’ and all that baloney makes anyone sick.
One time I saw some idiot shaking her dirty shoes which were in her hands instead of on her feet in his face. Literally inches from his face old smelly shoes. People just don’t think. They deserve alot worse than being called smelly and sweaty and they are lucky he said he still loves them!!
Actually I think he just did that (thanking his fans for their support in one breath and criticizing them in the next) in the tweets just posted.
I know it is hard to adjust to instant fame, and the AI fans can be intense. But I’m only saying that it is okay if we comment on and discuss the things Adam says just like we do any other Idol on this blog. Some people feel that he should be more careful in what he says, so as not to alienate fans. Others don’t agree, that’s fine, but it’s not fine to try to get people to stop talking about it. It does not mean that we hate Adam when we criticize him!
It is probably not the same people doing both things.
I think many are failing to remember Adam had everything hacked. He has had to change his phone many times. There were security issues, possible stalker and some pretty OTT tweeters. No one has to take the good with the bad. No one. He feels committed to doing the concerts. If he needs voice rest, then so be it. He has endured a lot more than the the season 8 idols had to endure. I think he is doing the best he can under the circumstances. He’s tired, he’s worn out, doesn’t get days off and probably gets very little rest. This has been going on for almost 2 months. Also the year at AI was grueling. His quote was taken out of context – it was light. So what is the big deal. If you are a fan, you’ll always be a fan thru the good and the bad. Adam has beeen 99.9 percent good. How many of you can maintain 99.9 percent perfection and keep up his schedule?
This comes about often because a frequent interview question is: What’s the “craziest” thing that’s happened on tour? What’s the weirdest fan gift? Tell me about a crazy fan encounter. Adam gets these questions all the time. Same with Kris and Allison. And all three give very similar responses: “I love my fans, but some of them are a little overzealous sometimes. A little crazy, but it’s all good. I love them.” The answers are nearly always that circular.
Reading between the lines: I love my fans, they got me to where I am, they buy albums, but I could do without the crazies and the touchy feely ones, the stalkers and the screamers. What do you want these kids to say in response to those questions? Welcome to the real world idols: Honesty not appreciated.
Sometimes I wonder if people forget that a few months ago these people were anonymous. Now, they are not only famous and crazy busy, but millions of people now feel like they “own” them. And each and every fan who voted seems to want to be catered to individually. I can’t even imagine trying to live up to everyone’s expectations.
Okay, so ignoring that, what does A.L. seem entitled to? Fans? He may lose some, but that’s his deal, and if people felt like that’s part of the deal and don’t like Adam, then off they go. I feel the same way about someone who gets in a huff over Anoop. It’s my attitude towards the whole sign and slide thing, period, not just A.L.
That is incorrect. “Sweaty and smelly” came from Adam, then the interviewer chimed in with “touchy-feely.” Nice try though! For a second I thought this entire thread was based upon a faulty premise!
That’s a good point, Oceana. I think all these comments are starting to entertwine in my end-of-day, tired brain.
See when other bands are asked this they give specific incidents, maybe that’s a better approach.
It’s quite obvious that you did not read the onslaught of down right nastiness that was tweeted to Adam directly after he twittered that he would not be coming out the barricades that night because he was with his family that he rarely sees. Should he have reacted to the vitriol? Maybe not in your opinion, personally I think no one should be expected to just stand there and take that kind of vile treatment, he is human being too and sure he makes mistakes and thinks without speaking sometimes but so do people who claim to be his fans and they have taken it very public on twitter so I don’t personally see a problem with him responding to that. The guy has been berated on twitter by fans and haters alike, been hit with projectiles on stage despite repeatedly asking people to stop throwing things at him, if you think that is all okay behavior then I suppose that is your prerogative but if someone doesn’t get some of that stuff under control it is only going to get worse.
To go back to the topic, I was not personally offended by any of Adam’s comments, I guess some people hold entertainers to a higher standard than they do the fans or themselves, I don’t, I know that he’s human, sometimes he says or does things that I don’t like or don’t agree with, as long as I enjoy his music, I really don’t care about any of the rest of it. The day I stop being a fan is the day he puts out music that I don’t enjoy listening too, the rest is all just free floating flotsam and jetsam that means nothing.
And “…what is ‘A.L’ feeling entitled about?” Right! My point, exactly. It’s not as if he’s sold a single CD, (solo) toured to sold-out venues or found a cure for diabetes. And yet….
Ok, ok. I respect your honesty and consistency. Good for you.
The point of what? Did I say I wouldn’t buy Adam’s album because he called his fans smelly? No I did not. I can criticize an artist and still like them.
I’m beginning to think many of you actually did not read my post.
I know it’s hard and they work hard and they are tired. There’s definitely a learning curve. When David Cook for instance posted in haste to his fans when he was upset with them, he got a lot of flack for it. He said he learned from it, and hopefully Adam will also learn from his mistakes. I do see them as mistakes, though fans might not.
Clay complained about his fans and his lack of privacy many times, in many interviews. And not everyone liked it. David Cook has commented on the surprising interest that fans have in his private life, in several interviews, however he has done so tactfully. I think Adam has to learn to be more tactful.
Clay’s fans always said he had no filter either and they thought it was charming. But the outside world didn’t think it was. I’m just saying that if Adam keeps talking without a filter, he might get the wrong kind of reputation with the media and the public.
Think if any celebrity said their fans were smelly, if Jessica Simpson said it, Britney Spears, John Mayer. First of all it sounds tacky, and secondly it sounds ungrateful. He tried to clean it up by saying that he’s grateful to the fans, but still, he said smelly. Sure to his fans everything he says sound cute, but think how it might sound to others.
Anyway, it’s not a crime, it’s not a sin, but it’s not a stellar thing to say. I don’t believe that he doesn’t need those fans who might be upset, that he doesn’t care if he offends them. I think he needs all his fans, if he wants to sell cds. Offending fans is bad business. So it makes sense to try to be polite.
This! lol..
Too Funny!!
Adam fans are stinky and sweaty! and the best part is his fans are defending him for saying they stank. That really is devotion on their part.
If you were to strip out the defensive and/or snarky posts from the fans of Danny in his thread and Adam in this thread, I’d be willing to bet you’d find more venomous hate posts in the Danny thread.
513 flashus Aug 21st, 2009 at 8:02 pm Well, hot damn!!! Paybacks are hell. I just knew we should have kept our mouths shut about greenmelinda the other night. LOL
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LOL!!!!!!
Just catching up, 15 pages now?
I have absolutely no issue with Adam’s interview being a thread, and yes it was titled to garner hits for an Idol related topic, good stuff.
But I totallu disagree that he was being insulting, after listening to that interview. A little unwise in his utterances?Yes. Insulting? Err no, that’s like serious reaching, IMO
Still think it got way more attention than it rightfully deserves, but it brought the lolz, at least in the first few pages.
There has to be some better news today though,as it’s getting a tad ridiculous
To me, this kind of sums up everything. MJ posted something, and it has been reinvented a thousand times by a thousand of us. We’ve all taken a different meaning from it and created our own tales and assumptions, it seems. I believe this is what happened to Adam. He said one comment, and now it’s been rehashed all afternoon and night. I doubt he meant that because a few fans were smelly that he disliked all of them, just like MJ and the majority of Adam’s fans don’t dislike him and won’t boycott him because he made a goofy remark.
Wow! That was nice of her. What was there-30 or 40 fans? Hardly comparable to the barricade situation.
Oceana: Are you a big fan of Adam’s who has been offended? You seem very hurt by his words.
MJ:The point is-even if Adam said or did something “childish”, it’s unlikely to matter enough to affect fans who will buy his cd. I will be out buying it the first day, just like you were out buying David Cook’s.
LOL, funny but true. I am officially a Lambskunk now! Why do I love the man so much?
You’re right. The quote attributed to Adam above is not said entirely by him. So this is like the “dildo” that wasn’t a dildo.
Here it is as best as I can separate the poor quality audio. It clearer that there are two people talking when the talk about “touchy-feely” because they are both talking at the same time.
Paul Verderosa: So the craziest this that’s happened to you so far since you’ve been out here is has been …
Adam: Oh God, the craziest thing … There’s a lot of very interesting fan encounters’“very, very overzealous fans, and I love them all. They’re super supportive, and they obviously put me where I am. You know, if it weren’t for these fans, I wouldn’t have gotten as far as I did. Umm sometimes, they’re a little sweaty umm (laugh)
Paul Verderosa: A little smelly’“a little bit touchy-feely
Adam: very touchy-feely. And some of the gifts are interesting. You know, I got, like, an inflatable kangaroo at one point, four feet tall, and I kind of was like, ok, well, thank you, this is sweet, what the’ ¦am I going to do with this?
Just saw this, so very true Sassycatz, they are not the only young band who does this, it is part of starting to build the fan base at the grass roots because in the early days of a band and especially in places with a vibrant live music scene word of mouth is probably as good as anything else. A bunch of us went to see Juke Cartel at the Mod Club in TO and Toby Rand the lead singer was officially greeting people as they arrived, giving all the girls a hug because what also happens is some of the initial fans will street team for you which is important if you are ambitious. Ryan Star is a regular poster at a music board I frequent because he is still trying to expand his fanbase, Juke Cartel boys do too. I think they get a kick out of the fans and I hope they appreciate the feedback on things from time to time. Sometimes fans have good ideas.
But yeah if you got millions of fans, you don’t need to do that groundwork. Or don’t you?
Brin, your post wasn’t directed at me but I’ll respond. I don’t remember seeing that “onslaught” and of course he should not be treated vilely. Twitter opens a whole new can of worms and I don’t know how celebrities should react to negative tweets. They probably need to take a deep breath, count to ten, and think before they post in return. I’m sure it takes time to learn how to do this when you become famous suddenly. Yes we are probably too judgmental of the idols, however that’s true of all of them.
I don’t want to think of Adam as some kind of victim though of these terrible fans who torment him. He is suddenly rich and famous, and gets to make a cd, so yes he has to take the bad with the good. I think fame is something that has to be learned how to handle.
:ohmy_tb: Wow this thread is still going? I was going to read the posts but apparently there have been 200 more so never mind. Hopefully we’ve gotten the diva debate out of our systems now.
I’m posting this although it’s kinda ot so delete if necessary mj ;)
ETA: I’ve discovered tb smilies and there’s no going back.yay
GeminiDolly:
Glambutts and Lambskunks
Hilarious!!!
nope try again.
OT but since we apparently don’t get posts for positive things, only for the negative I’ll post Adam’s latest tweet here: So far Adam fans have donated almost 26,000 dollars. It’s certainly nice to see some of that fan excitement and energy channelled in a positive direction.
I don’t see him as a victim at all, you know why, because he stands up for himself, that was the point of my post. I agree this will be a learning process for Adam as it will be for all the idols, I expect them all to make mistakes, I just don’t particularly see the need to crucify him over every tiny slip of the tongue as it doesn’t affect my enjoyment of him as an artist.
Classic…LOL, excellent reporting.
Wow this thread is still going strong.
As a non adam fan, but not really an Adam hater, i’ll put in my two cents. I don’t think what he said was a big deal. It was probably just away of trying to reinforce boundaries. A simple little jab that conveys that he’s not cool with being mobbed by sweaty sticky fans. The truth is true, y’all. The fans at the barricades can be all sweaty, pressed up against each other, working themselves up into a frenzy- then they begin grabbing at Adam. Who is just a person like the rest of us.
I’ve always had the feeling that Adam makes fun of his OTT fans. Anoop probably does as well (sorry to bring up anoop but i scanned the thread and he was only mentioned like 4 times!) The OTT fans do bring the lulz.
just because people are “fans” doesn’t mean they can get away with inappropriate behavior. Adam is just a person, and he doesn’t deserve to have his personal space violated at every turn.. and when he finally says something back, he’s suddenly the diva or unappreciative.
I’m just surprised none of them have yelled “GET THE EFF OFF ME” at a fan yet. Until that point though.. eh.. it’s no big deal.
Just wondering… alison… would you prefer me to call you Alison or should I lowercase it like in your username?
Well actually the “onslaught” was mostly positive — even from disappointed Adam fans. But there were a few hideous tweets that were directed at Adam and were starting to cause a Twitter “hornet’s nest”. After Adam sent his tweets people calmed down and stop trying to defend Adam. IMO he was right to send the “Entitlement isn’t sexy” tweet – and it worked.
BTW the three most vile tweets I saw were from “fake” Adam fans who were trying to cause Twitter trouble. One had already done something like it before with the same Twitter account.
Q3: No Way! REALLY! This is going to be classic if this thread went for this long over something Adam didn’t even say! EPIC!
HE DIDN’T SAY IT? LOLWUT TO EPIC PROPORTIONS
Someone verify it please, because I can’t tell anything from the poor audio.
ETA: Oh darn. I got excited over nothing.
ETA @ alison : ok cool. ;)
wow, that is very considerate, and I prefer it lowercase, lol. keep it casual, you know.
it’s funny you asked because it actually bugs me when people say “Alison8701”.
That’s incorrect Q3 — “smelly” is said by Adam, then the interviewer says “a little bit touchy-feely” and Adam echoes it.
MJ’s transcript of Adam’s remarks is accurate.
Listen to the original audio before you dismiss what I wrote.
American Idol Interview: Adam Lambert
Adam said “smelly”.
I listened to the interview several times. Go listen for yourself. The interview is embedded into my post of the page.
This should be good for another 700 comments.
Huh? Not hurt at all. I’m not even a fan so the remark would have nothing to do with me. I just had opinions about his comment and others he has made. Which is what happens on this blog day in day out for years now, people express opinions about the idols.
I listened to it three times in a row to make sure. The audio is poor, but the two men have distinctive voices. Adam says “a little sweaty, a little smelly” in kind of a snarky voice, but it is unmistakably him.
Wow. Why does it matter who said it if smelly isn’t an insult? LOL. Adam said “smelly”. He said it.
Alison do you know the girls that do anoop’s buscasts.If you do you need to get them to buscast tomorrow nites concert.The adam chants could be EPIC.
Adam def says “smelly.” He said it funny, the way Adam does. I can imagine him making that face he makes when he affects voices and stuff. It’s hard describe, but whatever. If the interviewer had said it, Adam would have acknowledged it, or mirrored it, like he did with “touchy-feely.” He wouldn’t have just talked over the interviewer. He would have acknowledged it in some way shape or form. Plus, it followed the flow of his sentence. Because he said “little” sweaty “little” smelly, and the guy says “really” touchy feely.
alison, you are my favorite non Adam fan on this board. You are funny and most of the time what you say about Adam is quite true. I love Adam but I say not so nice things about him sometimes. He is not perfect ya know. Anoop is actually not very accessible too, but luckily he is not as controversial as Adam. That’s a good thing sometimes.
It matters because it would’ve amused me a ton if this whole thread was based on something he didn’t say. Oh well. I’ll probably live.
Shocked it took this long but then again some wanted to fry a gaurd for just 1 tweet last nite.The sun will rise in the morning.
yes, I know them… I don’t know if they’re doing one tomorrow though.
LOL no way was he crucified. If you read through this thread, it is almost all positive for Adam, there are very few criticisms. The poor Danny fans have to put up with Danny being dragged over the coals (and I have criticized him I admit), and yet Adam receives very few criticisms here, well it seems that way to me, but then again I don’t even read most of his threads or the tour threads so I don’t really know, but he definitely wasn’t crucified in this thread.
I see lots of Adam fans saying that Kris is bland and boring, but that’s okay? The fact is, it just hurts more when it’s about someone you like and care about.
I was intrigued by Q3’s post and listened again to the interview. I think it was the reporter who laughed after Adam said a little sweaty followed by the controversial phrase. But the reporter has the input of the “touchy-feely”. Still not offended by it, not a big deal for me. I guess he never expected to have overzealous fans and he finds it crazy since he was a nobody before. Of course, others may have a different take on this and may find it offensive. It really depends on how you want it to sound – positive or negative.
oceana – thanks for your concern for adam. I want him to be successful too.
yes! :drunk_tb: look at us. overcoming our differences and becoming friends.
i try to be fair toward Adam, at least. and, Anoop too. I recognize they all have their flaws.
JFC, Friday night and u guys r still at this. LMFAO
Perez just tweeted this:
(Just thought I’d change the subject) Where’s Weho?
After I read someone else’s comment about it not being said by Adam, I went back and listened to the original VelicityLiveRadio interview. The audio is clearer there. Clearly Adam doesn’t say “a little touchy feely” — that is def Paul’s voice.
Adam ….they’re a little sweaty umm
Paul: (laugh)
?: A little smelly
Paul: a little bit touchy-feely.
Adam: very touchy-feely.
I believe that “A little smelly” is said with a NY-NJ accent, that would mean it was said by Paul, not Adam.
Oh yeah, he said “smelly” all right. And it’s making the internet rounds, along with the flying dildo during the Ontario WLL performance and the story of Brian May gushing over his vocals for the 2012 song. He does keep us talking, doesn’t he?
There may be a few people that decide they don’t like Adam because of this, but once again, I maintain that his voice, his sexy, fun, unfiltered self will win out.
Long frickin’ thread on this smelly subject.
Oh, good, transcripts! We’ll be needing those for the court proceedings when he’s stripped of his 5th Amendment rights to speak freely.
Where’s Weho?
West Hollywood
West Hollywood = WeHo
lol I was personally offended by this for a moment, not gonna lie. Drake should not be serving Perez. :dry_tb:
Perez is being remarkably sweet regarding Adam and co. though. More and more so. It’s all business but it’s actually cooling my rage at his very existence somewhat. So, yay.
On a random note, I just went back and read some of the posts from the beginning of the season and now I have new perspective on how us newbies look to the regular posters. Hmm. Not sure what to do with it. I’m debating trying to become more jaded and less emotionally invested next season to fit in.
West Hollywood, but that’s gotta be pure snipe! I doubt it’s anywhere near true.
If Perez makes some kind of nasty remark about Adam within earshot of Drake, we could have a whole new ____gate tomorrow.
For the record, David Cook did not throw the Sharpie AT Castro fans. He was being asked by Castro fans to please go inside and get Jason Castro repeatedly and he just got fed up, threw the Sharpie up in the air, caught it and passive aggressively said something like okay I’ll go get Castro for you and left. People didn’t even catch on that he was mad until apparently one of the security guys was asked where David was and told fans that David wasn’t coming back out because he got mad (though I think the security guy said that his feelings were hurt (bwah!), though I’m sure he was just actually pissed at being asked to run an errand for Castro’s fans). Diva-ish? Absolutely. But more than one Idol last year complained in their own way about fans of other Idols (usually the Davids or Castro) rudely asking them over and over again to please go inside and ask XXX to come out. I recall that Chekieze (sp?), 10th place guy, was rumored to not be going out during some stops or just going back in early because he was hurt by all the fans of other Idols treating him as their personal “fetch my Idol” boy.
And add to the list this gem from 411mania.com:
WRONG.
And now that my mind is truly, truly blown. I’m bowing out of this thread for awhile before my head explodes.
MJ – what’s your beverage of choice for this interactive viewing event? lol Hopefully you’ve found something more substantive than popcorn for sustenance and more comfortable seating by now. :clap_tb: :wink_ee:
edit: I’ve allowed some things in this thread that i usually don’t, but now you are just bullying and questioning the motives of a fellow poster. PLEASE DON’T DO THAT
Alison – absolutely perfect!
(Are you sure you’re not an Adam fan… lol)
Oh dear, how the internet game of telephone works is so amusing sometimes.
As long as Perez doesn’t say that Drake is smelly! LOL.
But… but, but… but…. I thought there were No Boundaries???
I was just going to say. The 411 reporter needs to re-read May’s blog post. He’s a little confused.
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…No? I don’t consider it diva/douche like to respond in a way that’s justified to a situation, even if that response is raging in private for a while.
Also, are all security guys so drama loving? “Feelings were hurt” indeed.
:clap_tb:
I really hate to say this, but I just looked at the site for that bar – two thoughts: 1) killer photo shoot-worthy; “accoutrements” welcome; 2) what the H*LL is Adam doing letting his boy toy work in such a gentlemen’s establishment?? Doesn’t he know what goes on in those?? Maybe that’s why he’s in such a hurry to get home.
Oh don’t give Perez any ideas!
There was actually a video of what happened with Cook. The Castro fans ask him where Jason is. He throws the pen up in the air and says something like “You want Jason? I’ll go get Jason” He walks away, never to return. Obviously pissed.
You can hear David’s fans call out after him. I felt bad for his fans waiting further down the line for his autograph…because they were the ones who wound up punished, not the Jason fans.
It was a little childish. Even as a DC fan, I can’t spin it in a different way.
Oceana – you’ve made about half a dozen comments since my post that I’ve all agreed with. Apparently, my earlier comment came off as a scathing attack on Adam, but you’ve put into words much more eloquently what I was getting at. And you come off to me as quite diplomatic, so I don’t know what’s up with all the hate. And THIS –
Adam’s not perfect, his fans aren’t perfect – he gets frustrated, we get frustrated. I see it as a learning curve for him, and a learning curve for many of his fans (myself included) who are slowly and painfully coming to terms with the fact that he’s not God.
edit: sorry, still NO GO. Please read my guidelines. What goes on in other threads is OFF TOPIC. Bitching about the bashing or flaming the fan wars OFF TOPIC. PLEASE READ MY GUIDELINES
Speaking of sweaty:
I didn’t pay much attention to Cook until this year, but I’ve been so impressed by his demeanor with the press and fans this story really surprises me. Except seeing how tired Kris is right now, I imagine that David was also really stretched thin, too.
How did his fans respond when this happened?
isisdagmar
I am in your vibe LIKE TOTALLY :)
where are you from?
Despite the fact that I thought his behavior was diva-ish, this huge Cook fan gave him a big ole pass. I think the fandom either (i) acknowledged that he was being childish but gave him a pass or (ii) denied that video proved he was getting pissy.
I think he got a pass because (1) he’s David Cook and they’re David Cook fans (duh!), (2) the David/David fan war was in full swing, so you can’t be criticizing your own Idol in the midst of an all-out war, (3) Cook fans knew his crazy schedule and understood that he’s allowed to be cranky once in a while, (4) he’d proven himself really, really, really patient in other circumstances that would have pissed other people off (e.g., fan poster with his family’s personal info; usual fan war crapola being thrown in his face — as in literally yelling in his face (which probably happened to Archie too I’m sure)), (5) the game of “fetch my Idol” is indeed rude and annoying and the Castro fans apparently had been asking him over and over again, and (6) at least he wisely decided to walk away from the situation instead of giving full sway to his temper (and I think he has one) in public.
The “young” defense doesn’t hold water. Kelly was 20 when she won, Carrie was 21. No excuses! Just sayin’.
Keel: Your post shows how fans feel about their favorite. That’s how I feel about the issue in this thread and towards Adam.
Mmmm, and may I add that I think this interview was done early on because the rest of the interview seems to follow that timeline. For example, he’s asked about something regarding how the tour will be and now it’s more than half way over. I do think he’s come to terms at this point that it’s not going to be something new. :) However, I do still hope it’s something good. I have a lot of hope in what Kris is going to put out.
Changing gears, I probably defended DC when he threw the pen, because it sounds vaguely familiar, but I’m a huge fan. (Honestly don’t remember.)
So having said that, Adam’s fans will defend to the end.
Kris hopes to create something I’ve never heard before… and I hope so too, because as of now his type of music is not mine at all, but I really want to like his album.
Also, I love it when artists have an ego. You gotta believe in yourself before I can believe in you! I love Kanye’s ego and Gaga’s. (I even love Tatiana… what). Kris is too self effacing, so good for him for having high hopes.
I hope Allison, Kris, and Adam give us music we’ve never heard before. They will accomplish something that no other idol (winner or runners-up) has ever done. I’m not counting on it from any of them either. However, I don’t blame you from defending your guy’s dreams. You want to hope along with him and that’s what being a fan is all about.
Adam made the statement, not any of the other idols. Why drag (name the idol of your choice) to the equation? Why the “if so-and-so said it, it wouldn’t create an uproar” reasoning? I’m a little confused…
I was simply pointing out the absurd…by being absurd. Quite effective I think.
Good morning peeps :)
Don’t know why or if Drake really works there but the dude has a degree in interior design and lives both in New Orleans and Los Angeles and seems to travel extensively with friends and sells antiques and other things on E-Bay. He is his own person and definitely not a “boy toy.” Just wish the guy would upgrade his wardrobe a little. Guess he would rather spend the bucks on traveling.
On a trip in the east coast, and haven’t checked mj’s for a couple of days. 824 responses on “Smelly-Gate”? I Haven’t read previous pages n am afraid to now. Crazed ppl w toxic B.O. are scare-wy. Not a barricade fan, so no sympathy for “scorned” fans who are upset. Most of those that complain seem to be Adam haters anyway. Why care so much if you don’t like him?
Drake ain’t no boy toy… he’s his own person and is supporting himself. So much respect.
I was about to go to bed at 1:30 am and decided to check if there were any more posts here since 5pm. It was so late I figured what was another half-hour. WOW is all I can say. It’s now 4:30 (eastern) and I’ve read every single post.
Good night. (actually morning)
I worked with a talent show contestant who was always commenting on how “smelly”, “ugly”, “fat”, “mad” his fans were, always laughing at their expense and ridiculing the gifts they gave him.
All behind their backs while smiling to their faces. He still does it, they all do.
God forbid that someone should actually say it openly.
I do think this will cost Adam. As usual, honesty doesn’t pay. Don’t give me words like “tact”. It’s actually two-facedness.
What a long ,discussion! We are all Pharisees ( the professional arguers over the bibical interpretations that got cast out of the temple) Sorry! Just free streaming brain junk.
OK, IMO,
Adam absolutely did say sweaty and smelly and touchy feely.He, also, a couple words back, acknowledged them all as Having gotten him to here.( not verbatim) But the drift was really clear….He is feeling a bit overwhelmed when surrounded by this. HE ABSOLUTELY MUST SET BOUNDRIES or he will get hurt or grabbed in a hurtful
way. I do not think he was snarky, at all and you could hear he was searching for the best way to say what he needed to. No one was pointed out and all his fans can feel (rightly or wrongly) that he was not referring to ME or US……Yet it will hopefully help fans not to push so hard into his personal space and to ,certainly, not touch him, unless, he extends his hand or arm or, if you are super lucky, and extends both arms for a hug.SQUEE If he does not ask for respect from his fans,…Many ill mannered people will push the boundaries and assume there are “no boundries”
All of these,contestants,runnerup and winner should _expect_ respect, and WE WILL! So Make sure you have time shower and pit stick. LOL……………………………and
ROCK ON RESPECTFULLY!!!!!!!!!!!
double post
So because of Adam’s efforts, DonorsChoose.org has raised $20,000 to help school-children’s classroom projects all over the US.
Where are all the blog entries about that?
This is a phony made-up bullshit “controversy” by trolls.
Oh wow… 835 comments. I don’t really care since I will never get to meet him. Yeah, calling fans smelly is crossing the line a bit, but Adam is Adam. If he loses fans because of this, then he will have to learn it the hard way. Personally, he will not lose me as a fan over petty comments like this, I like Adam because he’s a fierce and fantastic singer. I don’t expect anything more or anything less.
Hey! That’s my video from the Hamilton concert. I woke up Friday morning and the view count had jumped overnight from 16000 to over 150000. It now stands at over 293000. What a totally surreal situation.
Apparently a fan had sent Perez the link to the video and he found the subject matter had just the right amount of crass titillation for his website. Perez is a douchebag but there’s no denying a ton of people visit his site. On Twitter, he has over 1.3 million followers.
I guess this video will probably be the most viewed from Adam’s AI summer tour. On the one hand, it’s great that he is getting so much attention for one of his better performances (even while fighting laryngitis). However, the vast majority of the new viewers are only checking out the video for the sex toy controversy and not for the music.
There has also been a predictable influx of anti-Adam comments. I’ve had to delete some of the more hateful and homophobic entries but I left the comments posted by a few individuals who are convinced that Adam is lip-synching during that performance. :rolleyes_wp:
Just had to comment on this. That ‘toy’ hit Adam right on the knee – hard enough to bounce, too. I’ll bet it hurt like blazes. Amazing that he didn’t miss a note. Someone’s gonna get hurt if this keeps up. Bra’s and panties (along with the occasional feather boa) are one thing ‘“ but hard plastic? Another entirely. I say it’s time Adam has a bouncer or two on stage for protection. God know he’s gonna need that when he’s out on his own. Shades of Robert Plant indeed.
I think you had better change the URL for the video. Haters will keep posting nasty messages. And I don’t think Adam should get an attention for the sex toy controversy. Plus, Perez is a moron.
Wow. 837 posts on smelly, touchy-feely. I got home from work at 4:30 CST on Friday and started to read at probalby 8 pages back. The last post is at 6:48 am. I assume EST, Saturday. Who knew.
@ Mary
This is the donation page:
http://www.donorschoose.org/adamlambert
The donations and donors can be found there.
My take on what Adam said is he said a LITTLE Smelly, thats not the same as just saying smelly, which takes on a whole different meaning, a little means he only smelled a few people. But the important thing he conveyed is that he added they are a LOT touchy feely, which I seem to take as there were a lot of people grabbing at him. Probably all his years performing he never had that and it may be freaking him out. Plus the fact that Adam doesnt seem to sweat, so he notices things like that. Yes????
I’m usually of the belief that MJ should post what she wants since this is not part of the traditional news media industry… however, this is notable. Not even so much as to the dollars, but as a look into the types of ‘fan groups’. The most striking to me are the international fan groups donating to US schools and ontd_ai, which has always exemplified a younger demographic (love their sense of humor). This is what I find really interesting. Sort of throws a wrench in some people’s belief that Adam’s fans are all soccer moms.
In the videos I have seen of Adam signing autographs after the concert, I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone “grabbing at him.” He has bodyguards with him to prevent that kind of thing. This is why when I first heard the interview I didn’t think he was necessarily even referring to fans at the barricades, but people approaching him and invading his personal space in other situations.
It seems that everyone has taken a great interest in quoting each other. Makes me wonder when the last time everyone read the quote in its entirety.
will I see it the same way.
Yes. I also can also see Will line of thought since it has been mentioned often that it may be other reasons besides Barricade issues for him not appearing – his radio comments take on a whole line of thought when this avenue is applied! :ponder_tb:
So I have to say that in this case Adam’s fans are now challenging the Claymates for defending their guy. What seals it are the attacks on MJ for even posting the topic. Add the charity posts (it’s great that he does it but why post that here) and I get concerned. Clay Aiken’s fans are famous for posting about his charity efforts any time he’s criticized.
I’m skeered.;0
jpfan…please don’t be skeered. My opinion might not be worth much but I don’t think it was a matter of MJ posting this thread. It was the sensationalism of the headline followed by her comment MIGHT have crossed the lined. It is her site and everyone is entitled to an opinion, but this site seems to be adam based by posters that are not only witty, snarky but brillant. I not only come here for adam news but so much enjoy the thoughts and wit of everyone. An example..my husband designed an earthstation in Africa and will be leaving next week to oversee some aspects of it. He will be calling every night and I have already been informed that if the headline is “Adam flushes toilet” be wants to know how many times and gave me a list of ten of our favorite posters on this site to find out what their response will be. We flove our posters. Go figure. Now see, that is skeery. I wish I knew how to indent for paragraphs but many pages ago, I posted that I was almost computer illiterate. It is so true. Thank you all for all you do. Adam will be fine and this will all blow over, hopefully, soon.
Wow, MJ took a lot of criticisms just by posting Adam’s comment, and for having an opinion. Scary, scary place.
Also relevant, A.L. outsider status and attendant prejudice.
Mirror, anyone?
:-)
I keep seeing comments like this comparing adam’s fans to claymates esp on tis blog. is it supposed to be derogatory?, make them feel bad abt themselves?, cos i don’t know much abt clay and his mates and don’t follow his career so i don’t feel anything when i read adam’s fans are like claymates. it’s totally lost on me.
Actually Drake does work at a bar in West Hollywood called the Villa Lounge. He’s on my facebook friends & he invited everyone out to see him the other night on his facebook page.
Sometimes Idol fanbases get a life of their own (and a bad reputation). The fan base that sets the standard are the Claymates (before my Idol time) but I’ve read about them.
They’re famous for insane defenses of Clay Aiken from any slight or criticism – either real or imaginary. And supposedly they helped turn him into a joke. I don’t know about that part but sometimes Idol fanbases are so OTT they hurt the rep of their favorite.
Claymates flood message boards with defensive posts, spam polls, constantly bring up his charity efforts. I really don’t think Adam’s fans are like Claymates but the attacks on MJ and the charity stuff are kinda familiar.
I don’t really thnk Adam’s fanbase will hurt him but you never know. It depends on how they deal with him in the real world. I’d advise easing up on the defensivenes and rolling with the punches. That’s the opposite of claymatish behavior.
It was Divaish, and very out of character, and I realized it was towards the end of the tour, and he was tired.
But I wasn’t going to spin it, or even excuse it. He made a mistake. People are human.
I don’t think I’m required, as a fan, to sign off on or support every move a favorite makes.
Which was why, once upon a time, when I attempted to post on a fan board, I lasted about 30 days. lol.
Yes it’s meant to be derogatory. Some of Clay’s fans are known as Claymates who are overly obsessive and protective of Clay. Clay can do no wrong in their eyes. To them, he can walk on water.
What does Drake have to do with anything in this thread? I couldn’t care less where he works.
I don’t know or care about clay or claymate charity mentions so this goes right over my head. I literally means nothing to me. Personally I think the charity thing is interesting. Maybe because unlike more than one or two people I have not seen this happen before, so it is new to me.
I also don’t like to be lumped into any fan based group. It is just not cool to make fan group generalizations. So all Kris’s fans are fickle tweens? All Danny fans are Christians, trying to convert everyone? Allison’s fans are all little girls? and Adam fans are all middle aged, mindless drones? I think all generalizations & sterotypes are incorrect. There is one thing in common among all of them, if you go after their favorite they will defend. I think that has less to do with the “elevated status” of the idol than it has to do with insulting their tastes and opinions. People get stuborn like that.
I haven’t looked at the schedule, I hope there is a concert tonight, because this topic and the back and forth bashing is getting old.
I am a long time lurker and dont post a lot. I wish this topic died so tried not to post. Anyway, here it goes.
I did not like or dislike what Adam said, though I understand why others may be hurt. What I find very off puting is the constant bash of Adam fans here. All the time. I dont see any difference in saying “adam fans are like claymates”, “crazy glamberts”, whatever, and questioning/criticizing other posters, which is a golden rule here – one is general, other is particular, both are very annoying.
I never post, I dont live in the US, and still feel criticized all the time. That, allowing this, seems a double standard for me. I lurk in a lt of other adam boards and a lot of great insightful posters are refraining from coming here because of this. We all lose with it.
I dont know how this goes with MJ rules. I dont care generally when people criticize Adam, but cant stand anymore being constantly bashed. I thought that this was exactly what the rules tried to avoid.
Well, will go back to lurking and hope MJ does not take it personally. I understand it is her blog and she should do whatever she wants.
I don’t really understand what you guys call divaish. From the Cook story it seems to be the description of loosing ones temper. To me those things are not equal at all. Calling someone diva is saying something about their character, a personality trait, something you can’t change. Loosing your temper is a one time and not divaish. Are the people around us that loose their temper divas? I think this whole diva talk is very unuanced, all kind of reaction are bunched together and called divaish. I really have a hard time thinking any of the idols are divas, and I haven’t meat many in real life that would qualify for that personality stamp.
I understand, but on the flipside, as a fan, I don’t see why one has to care about every move a favorite makes and analyze it. Not necessarily the point of this thread initially, but it started to basically get to the point where if someone who likes Adam isn’t bothered by this or thinks he needs to suck it up and interact with fans (which, no matter how much people talk about it is not the norm outside of the AI world in concert/show ettiquette) we became the mindless, biased bunch. No, I just don’t care what musicians and artists do that much, especially something like this.
There are so many things that hurt the AI alumni before their fanbase does. This includes Clay, who had a pretty dated style and rumored to have a bit of an attitude himself (yet still he can get a record contract after all this time when many an AIer cannot). Crazy fans may not have helped when it came to swamping reviewers, but outside of the Idolsphere they aren’t even the biggest mocking point about Clay–that’s usually the man himself.
It’s going to be a different experience anyway since twitter has broken their fourth wall.
Yeah, same here. Not a Cook fan, so I am not biased about him, hadn’t heard that story before, but it was another “who cares?” moment for me. May not have been the best thing to do, but it is really minor in the scheme of things. It’s weird how such little things the contestants do get scrutinized and dissected.
And wow, this discussion is still going. I went to bed and everything.
When Adam’s fans get overly defensive and attack MJ for posting a “negative” thread on their Idol, they appear “claymatish” to my eyes. But obviously all his fans don’t act like that. I’m just issuing a reality check that in the real world, not everyone will like Adam and not everything he does is worth defending. And if people start treating a reality show contestant like a deity, it can turn both the idol and fans into a joke.
But obviously all his fans don’t act like that. I have enjoyed following the S8 tour alot. Adam’s fans have helped make it so much fun.
I guess it has nothing to do with this thread, you don’t have to be snarky, I was replying to someone earlier on in the thread that was talking about Perez saying that he went to a bar in West Hollywood & Adam’s boyfriend was his server. Someone said that it probably wasn’t true, so I just replied with what I knew (that Drake does work in West Hollywood in a bar)… thats all… nothing to it.
Holy cow, 860 comments on this thread? Hee! Adam seems to be a bit unfiltered and I highly doubt this will be his last “controversy.” These kids are human and they will make mistakes (or even non-mistakes that get blown out of proportion – see David Cook/blog-gate). I think maybe it’s not the best idea to say your fans are kinda smelly, even if they are, but it’s not the end of the world. Certainly, though, folks have the right to criticize it. And I don’t think that everyone who criticizes it has an agenda against Adam, lol. I certainly don’t.
Not *all* fans can be lumped into one group but right now there are a lot of very vocal Adam fans who are quick to leap to his defense no matter what he says or does. If you read articles about the tour, Idol, etc. there are tons of posts about Adam, and if anyone says a bad thing about him, they get lambasted by the Adam fans. Is it *all* the Adam fans doing that? Nah, but the noisy ones are the most visible – I’m sure Clay has normal fans, too (actually my mom loves him and she’s pretty darn normal). Squeaky wheel gets the grease? Squeaky wheel in fandom draws the most attention. There are a lot of great folks who are Adam’s fans who contribute a lot to the threads on the board, but some of the OTT stuff can even send me scurrying out of a thread and into waiting in a more casual way for the album. (Maybe it was the same for more casual fans of David C. last year, too!).
Heh, definitely perspective – from a casual Adam fan’s perspective, it feels like this is predominantly a pro-Adam crowd. I like him too… but I think it is important to keep in mind that this is MJs American Idol blog – all of them – not an Adam Lambert fan board. Definitely if you want to post and talk to people who are only going to/mostly going to say nice things about Adam, his fanboards are a better place for you. I’m not saying that critically, at all, it’s just the truth… this isn’t a place where your Idol (or mine) are going to get 100% praised. I spent a lot of time on David’s fanboards too when I want to feel the love (or the gentle snark, lol).
I agree with this and I think a lot of Adam fans are trying hard not to be defensive or aggresive in these threads, at least that’s my impression (of course people slip up now and then).
I agree completely. However there are also those that really don’t find Cookies or Adams action that big of a deal and that doesn’t automatically make them crazed fans that think their favourite idol is the next coming since Elvis. Giving your honest opinon doesn’t make you an overly defensive fan.
And here is why people get annoyed when people talk about Adam fans doing this as it is behavior that happens quite often, in the Idol world and not. Lyndsey Parker got twitterblasted by Kris fans after her interview with him. Alisan Porter (musician/actor, friend of Adam’s) got a twitter attack after posting a “snore” tweet which may or may not have pertained to Kris. I remember that USA Today thing at the start of the tour where Brian Mansfield got a lot of Kris fans saying something to him. Same with that Portland review along with other reviews I have seen. Nobody seems to want to call them the new Claymates, even though it is similar behavior. And I personally don’t think they are the new Claymates either.
I think the frustration here is people are so ready to paint Adam’s fans with that brush. Is it because he is a bit higher profile, his fans seem more numerous on the internet or we are just a very chatty/active bunch? I don’t know. Most people aren’t doing that sort of thing, for sure, but people seem more than ready to put Adam’s fans under that umbrella.
It’s not even about 100% praise for Adam or whatever, it’s about how people label the group of fans, which includes me, and for that I get frustrated.
ITA. That was what I was trying to say.
I posted the link to the DonorsChose.org because it had been mentioned several times and somebody said that is was a “phony made-up bullshit ‘controversy’ by trolls”
I must be blind because I don’t see this at all.
I think this was not a statement about Adam being bashed, but being bashed as an Adam fan.
Just a question on the dildo situation, does anyone know if that was male or female fans that were doing the throwing, just wondering if some of the TO gay community actually forced themselves to travel to Hamilton ON just for AL – that is love. For the record, some Torontonians have a dim view of Hamilton, I don’t have a problem with it, I was born there, bwah.
Talking about fanbases it is not just an Idol thing look at Michael Jackson’s hard core fan base that stood by him through the weirdness, through the molestation charges, through sham relationships, pooh poohed the rumours about his drug problem even though Michael actually himself admitted on a few occasions he had a problem – in part because Michael too had a reputation that he treated his fans very well, inviting people into his house for example. But we also know there was a lot of smoke and mirrors about Michael – Joe goes on and on about how Michael has donated millions and millions of dollars to various charities around the world – well his income tax returns for the past several years tell a very different story which only make sense because he was having cash flow problems for a while.
That is why I said I find ME, as a fan, being bashed annoying. Adam being criticized comes with the territory and I even find very amusing most of times. Not off puting for me and will not affect his career.
I come here exactly because it is not an Adam only board. I have a lot of fun with the comments. But cant cope with the generalizations of the fanbases anymore.
I don’t know anything about Claymates, but I am an Adam fan and I agree that there are a few Adam fans who think Adam can do no wrong, and so on. But the vast majority of Adam fan defenses come from pretty normal people who are avid fans of Adam.
I have defended Adam on this blog, along with Danny, Matt, Kris, Scott and Michael. When people have presentated facts that were not true, I have tried to post the best facts that I can find. But I have also occassionally been critical of Adam, Danny, Matt, Kris and Scott — and all of the other AI8 — at some point. And I certainly do not believe that Adam is perfect.
I bet that I have the record number of posts on this thread because for some reason the topic struck a chord with me. And if you read the comments I posted on this thread, I probably look like I think Adam can do no wrong, because:
1. I wrote I believed this comment was really just a trivial, joking comment — allbeit a thoughtless comment, and not news.
2. I wrote that this interview occurred when Adam was sick (the night before he went on 100% vocal rest), and think that he deserves a break for that.
3. I wrote that it wasn’t getting the same level of discussion on other parts of the Web.
4. I agreed with another poster that Adam didn’t say the entire statement that is getting credited for. I was later convined by wiser commenters that the part Adam didn’t say was only “a little bit touchy feely” (the first reference to touchy feely made in the interview.)
So if you look at this thread, in isolation of the other things I have writen, then I probably look like an OTT Adam fan. But I am also a fan of 4 of there other AI8 idols — and don’t think that Adam is perfect and the “best ever Idol who will save the world and revive the music industry with one album.”
Well, I’m an Adam fan, and I’ve also been observing the AI fandom from the beginning.
As an Adam fan, I really don’t feel bashed on this board. There happen to be (or at least appear to be, by the number of posts) way *more* Adam fans around than fans of anybody else. And many Adam fans are very zealous supporters of him. In accordance with that — to me — pretty obvious fact, most of the comments that I see about Adam fans in some way point to that zealousness. Some of those posts are a little nasty. But then I see posts that are a little nasty about a lot of things and people. I have from time to time posted something a little nasty myself. Honestly, though, the nasty posts are pretty minimal, in my opinion, on any topic, including Adam fan-ness.
Now, the post you’re commenting on compares the zealousness and apparent number of Adam fans to a very real phenomenon — the Claymates. As a person who watched that phenomenon, and who is also an Adam fan, I can tell you that, at times, the comparison seems quite apt. There were — or at least seemed to be — many many many more vocal Clay fans than there had been fans of any other Idol (That year, I was a Ruben voter — some people have said to me, “I didn’t know anyone voted for Ruben!!”) Claymates defended their guy to the hilt, and so do Adam fans. When something was said that seemed negative at all to Clay, Clay fans came out in droves to explain why it wasn’t negative. Etc. Etc.
In the end, it’s widely, and, I think, accurately, believed that the zealotry of a lot of Clay fans actually hurt his career more than helped it. That’s because the defense and support of Clay went beyond just slashing back about what’s said on a discussion board. It extended to really really flooding radio stations with out-of-area song requests, jumping on *every* newspaper account that wasn’t glowing with over-the-top retorts about what a genius Clay was, etc. etc. It moved into the wider music world beyond Idol and it clearly turned a lot of radio people and others off to Clay because they’re just not used to that level of adult fan behavior on behalf of musicians and they didn’t like it. It destroyed whatever “cred” Clay might have had as a regular musician and made him instead appear to be nothing but the darling of a bunch of half-mad tv-watching ladies. Fair or not, and whether or not Clay had the goods to make it big in contemporary music had this not happened, this was the result.
So I think people wonder whether Adam could end up suffering a similar fate. I actually think everybody may have learned enough from that that it probably won’t happen. And I do think Adam has the goods to make it in comtemporary music, while I don’t think Clay did. But I wouldn’t say I’m secure at all in the conclusion that it *couldn’t* happen. If radio stations get bombarded with fan-girly requests for Adam songs and newspaper and magazine critics get 100s of fan comments bashing their reviews, then it could have a negative effect on the way they view Adam. That’s a hypothetical, and we don’t know whether Adam fans are taking their zealotry to the same level as Claymates did, but if they do, there’s no guarantee that it won’t backfire, at least a bit.
Thus, I truly don’t see why the Claymate comparison is a bash. It’s comparing two things that both happened and that seem quite similar and wondering how far that similarity may go. People who don’t remember the Claymate phenomenon may be puzzled by the comparison, but should we not post something just because some people won’t know the reference?
I liken conversation about Idols, especially the ones with the stronger fanbases, to the old adage: *Never* discuss religion over dinner. Idol fanbases and religions have a lot in common, to me. (looking at the Idol wars makes clear to me why the world will probably never be free of wars of religion, for example, for one thing, lol) And the number of people who can stand to discuss either outside of the circle of those who share their beliefs is relatively small. This happens to be a place where such discussions do take place, but I can well understand why many of the faithful would prefer to discuss their idols only among fellow believers. For some reason, whether it’s Idol fandom or religion, we take umbrage, feel prickly, and give way to the inclination to snark a lot more easily and often than we do on other topics. So if believers in more than one faith gather, things are going to be said, and feelings are going to get hurt. No way to avoid it, I expect.
This is ridiculous. I think MJ was wrong to put this thread up. It just invites fan wars which she usually doesn’t allow. Anytime you start a topic on how one contestant is doing something that the other contestant’s fans can jump on and use to criticize that contestant is just everything that MJ tries to stop us from doing. So now the Kris fans and Danny fans and whoever else is on here has great ammunition to use against Adam whenever they feel like using it. I can just here it now. “Adam didn’t come out to sign tonight because he doesn’t like smelly girls”. Way to go MJ.
“It kind of reminds me, Oceana, when David Cook threw the Sharpie at Castro fans and then stomped off after they had the nerve to ask him if he’d remind Jason to come out. OMG. Diva/douche. I don’t know what it is with these kids! They’re evil. The lot of them!!!”
Not that I thought it was the best response, but from the clip below, there wasn’t much stomping or throwing things. FYI, Cook threw his Sharpie at the crowd every day when he was done signing autographs as a souvenir (yes..the one he was constantly putting up his nose), so the pen tossing was just his normal routine. I’ve seen quite a few videos where Cook got harassed by fans of Archie, or had to sign autographs in front of crowds that chanted “Archuleta” in his face, and he was gracious every time. I’m not sure why he walked away that particular time. Maybe there was a game he was missing on TV and he said “screw that!”. Or maybe those girls were particularly annoying and whiney and he was fed up of being nice to rude people. While he could have handled it better, I don’t think that dealing with uber fans of other idols is easy…so I’m not gonna judge. He did get Jason, by the way and yes, I think that woman’s voice is annoying:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QGahp0DGYA
I have no strong opinion on Adam calling his fans smelly. Adam’s lack of a filter will either help him or hurt him in the music business (and I actually think it will help him). As someone mentioned earlier, no one is going to be offended because everyone will think he’s talking about the other person (which is really the bigger problem IMO).
Well, Adam brought that on himself so Adam and his fans just have to roll with the punches! I think it something we can be generous about, no?
I don’t really care in the grand scheme of things, but on message boards, things do tend to get analyzed to death. Without scrutiny there wouldn’t be much to post about. lol.
I’m really confused by this statement.
I could question or criticize my fellow posters reasons and probably be accurate a lot of times, but it would still be annoying and thus agains the rules. So I dont see the point. Accurate or not, such comments are only contributing to an unhealthy environment.
As the use of the word claymate being bashing or not, it shouldnt be (it should be as you see), but usually it is meanspirited. I will go with the posts above, cant explain better.
lucy, I think your post was excellent.
Don’t have time to read the long comments section, but picked up enough to see that there’s discussion of whether Adam’s comment was appropriate for various reasons, so I’ll just throw in my 2 cents worth, not addressing anyone else’s comments:
– It’s normal in a crowd of people standing around for a few hours in the summer, that some will get hot, sweaty and stinky. Since some people do that at Idol concerts, no surprise that he’s encountered that.
– In our culture, at least, it’s kind of rude to meet people at a near distance if you’re not sort of cleaned up. There are exceptions, but they are few.
– So, it’s totally normal that Adam or anyone else would find it unpleasant when people knowingly choose to violate this normal social pattern.
– There are enough fans that do this, however, that they’ve convinced themselves that it’s “to be expected if you’re a celebrity”. That doesn’t make it true, but it helps perpetuate it because in their own little bubble, they can convince themselves that this is true.
However,
It’s also rude to point out a person’s social faux pas to their face. So is it rude for Adam to comment in an interview that he doesn’t like this kind of thing?
My take is this: it might be a tactical error, but I don’t think it’s rude. If he said it or implied it directly to someone, or mentioned them by name, it would be rude. Just like, if someone served him spaghetti and he said to them, no I don’t like spaghetti, or this spaghetti is awful. But if he’s asked in an interview, if there’s any food he hates, and he says he hates spaghetti, that’s not rude, though it might make someone feel bad who just shipped him a case of spaghetti sauce. Likewise, if he’s asked if there’s something he doesn’t like about touring, and he says what he said in this interview, it’s not rude, even though it might offend stinky people who got in his face.
I don’t at all see why this is news, why it’s a big deal, why anyone cares whether or not Adam said this or whether or not its posted or talked about anywhere. However, if it gets people to back off a little into rationality and use common social norms, it can’t possibly hurt anyone involved.
That said, I personally don’t care whether an artist is a jerk or not, unless that jerkness leads to shirking their duties on stage. If people start hitting bum notes, forgetting to show up mentally, choosing stupid songs, looking like that didn’t put thought one into their performance, then it’s time to get annoyed.
lucy Very interesting perspective. I would actually agree with you on most points except the for the following two.
1) I dislike the use of Claymates as a broad stroke description. It is used as in insult, not as a case in point of discussion as in your post. Claymates in context of this discussion flames fanbase wars.
2) I never seen Idols as religion, I see them more as sports teams.
MJ, if you’re still looking at this thread: I’m still a bit curious about something you mentioned earlier when comparing fan reactions–you said that in Sarver’s and Gokey’s “godly” video, you could see that they regretted those words as soon as they said them. I was just wondering–if they regretted those words as soon as they said them, then why would they have posted the video? I don’t hate them, but that doesn’t make sense to me, and I was wondering if I was missing something in what they said.
This is my first experience with AI fandom, and it’s reminding me of the election in the sense that every single comment, no matter how big or little, gets put into an echo chamber. I mean, I can see thinking that he was just being honest, or thinking that he shouldn’t have said it, but it seems like not that big a deal to me either way.
ETA: yes, as an Adam fan primarily who also loves Kris and Allison pretty enthusiastically, I don’t feel marginalized at all. I don’t appreciate it when assumptions are made about me because I’m an Adam fan, but I doubt that fans of any of these guys appreciate it when assumptions are made about them because of who they’re fans of, and that doesn’t happen too often anyway. :)
Thank you.
I don’t see where Adam fans get “bashed” on this blog. A huge percentage of active posters here right now are Adam fans. In fact, as a moderator, I have to work hard to keep threads on topic rather than becoming Adam Lambert Fan Threads. If any poster is personally attacked, that post gets deleted. And generally, except for today, I’ve tried to delete messages that generalize about fanbases.
To be perfectly honest, many of my old-timers–peeps who have been with me since Season 5–have stopped posting in these threads because they aren’t interested in the fan stuff. I’ve received many emails from fans of other Idols who have complained they don’t feel welcome here–that the blog has turned into an “Adam fan site” and for that reason they won’t be posting any more. Everyone is entitled to their feelings, but I’m not quite understanding the idea that Adam fans are marginalized on my blog. Quite the contrary.
I’d just like to remind everybody one more time that I’m not running a fan blog. I’m not invested in any one contestant. I love the show, American Idol. If you aren’t interested in the show, you’ll probably be moving on by next spring.
So is MJ aiming for 1000 posts before this thread is closed or dies? As an Adam fan I’m not offended by his comments, but i am disappointed with the negativity others express towards his fans. That’s the nature of a blog.
And here is another point of mine. I’m an Adam fan who has never been that invested in AI, but watched it on and off as a casual viewer (I have never seen a full season, including S8 and the only reason I tuned and sought out MJ’s blog again–after lurking a bit before, mainly for SYTYCD–was Megan Joy’s audition caught me in the background, but I really didn’t get hooked until Adam did RoF and missed a fair bit of episodes). AI is a fandom in its own right. I understand that. A lot has happened during this show throughout its run, many a cycle and many a crazy thing. However, at this point, I think a lot of this fanbase (and as we can compare Adam and Clay’s fans it seems, I hope I can talk AI fans) has gotten really, really insular. Any time you chat music, there is a formula which is followed based on previous Idol experience. To me, this is odd, because while there is a lot of repetition, the outside, non-AI influences are different. The styles of music are different (especially when it comes to Clay and Adam). Their fanbase demographics seem different if I am supposed to believe the tales of Idol Yore about Clay. Sure Adam has his older fans, but his most vocal group seem to be the young’ns of ontd-ai who are owning that DonorChoose.Org contest. It’s not a paint-by-numbers situation and if Adam doesn’t catch on (not like Elvis, but just doesn’t catch on) it won’t be because of his fans going Claymate.
The amateur PR bs is really annoying, but from my experience, it doesn’t seem Adam-specific, but something that happens in AI. When I see results on poll-flooding, Adam doesn’t necessarily own that, losing “favorite runner-up” status to Archie and Clay. In that “No Boundaries” contest, Kris’ version won for a Singapore/Malaysia radio station, which doesn’t really fit with the other internet stats like Alexa.com and fangroups as to who has the bigger internet presence from that area (however, all fans across the internet could spam that one, but I am apparently told that over and over again that Adam has that edge there), so Adam’s fans weren’t necessarily flooding that either. Or maybe they were and Singapore radio station fans were going on and trying to counter it (or maybe Kris’ base did a better job there). So before Adam’s fans get called out for flooding radio stations, maybe something like that should happen (never mind that we are in a much different market than Clay’s peak time).
It’s not about the initial comment or your thoughts, but the way the conversation took a turn at one point where it got back to coming out and signing and my opinion that it’s not the norm outside of AI and a weird entitlement thing became me lacking objectivity. It wasn’t connected to your or the first comment.
It’s probably a combination of everything bubbling over in this topic, MJ. I have noticed quite a bit lately that comments are starting verge on “Adam fans=this” and some Adam fans being OTT, while some trying to tiptoe around it. This topic allowed it all to come forth (Claymates, generalizations, fan-related comments because the initial comment was a fan-related comment by Adam).
On the note that it’s become Adam-centric here, the news ratio of Adam to non-Adam seems to be high as well, so it doesn’t help in stopping this sort of high level of Adam chat. There is a lot of Adam news and it is easier for me to do a one-stop here than gather it at a lot of places sometimes. I have no problem admitting I like Adam more than I like AI, so maybe I am not the norm for this blog (but I am SYTYCD over AI, except for this season). For you, maybe it will get stable as an AI blog once AI9 starts rolling on. Those who left for “fan stuff” (I never paid attention post-tour last season, so I have no clue what it is normally like for AI this period as I was reading the SYTYCD stuff) will probably wander back in, and those who like Adam more than AI and stick with that will probably wander away.
Cook has called out his fans on several occasions, but the offending fans don’t get the message. Because, of course, it’s always someone else. Probably a waste of time to call them out at all.
Based on all the fans I know in real life and ontd_ai, most fans of Adam, Kris, and Allison are tweens-through-early-20s. Those seem to be the three, especially the two guys, that that demographic went for most intensely. Which makes sense.
WOW. This thread is still going. Unbelievable. I found MJ’s because of Adam. I am an Adam and Allison fan. I do not EVER feel bashed here. I love getting news on the other Idols from other seasons that I thought had disappeared. I am sorry that MJ lost some of her old peeps due to some of us Adam lovers. I certainly never intended to chase anyone off with my Adam love. I will not disappear after Season 8 is completely over, because I too, love the show.
The other fan sites? Yeah, they can be a little scary. I only go the Adam’s official site to find the news and the good videos; I rarely post. Here, there is some objectivity, and that is good. Peace out, people. Hope this smelly subject doesn’t keep getting people too riled up. Dude put his foot in his mouth. Oops.
I remember hundreds of posts about how Danny’s fanbase was evangelic and homophobic. His fans in the South would react to Adam’s performance with boos and picketing, Yadda, yadda.
And that stereotype went on for ages until sometime during the tour it became obvious it was absurd. No protests or anger directed at Adam in the dreaded red states.
So stereotyping is not uncommon. But I agree that Clay is ancient history and Adam is a whole other thing.
*thumbs*
Awesome. I’m glad you’ll be sticking around. :).
MJ, thank you. I agree. I really enjoy your blogs and this site because of your efforts to 1. Keep it balanced and fair, and 2. The lack of fan wars.
I may not always agree with your opinions, but I do whole heartedly approve of your guidelines. I also really appreciate the quality of the comments on this site. The vast majority are intelligent, some are very funny and a few are even thought provoking.
So thanks to all.
To mj:
A sleepless night for me, so though it took me too many hours, I did read this entire thread.
I’ve enjoyed your blog since I discovered it this past season, not only because you & your audience seem always to be in the know, but also for your opinions and those of your many contributers.
Surprisingly, throughout these 18 pages, you’ve allowed many comments on the thread, some quite critical of you. More than the topic at hand, the criticism of the blogger who presented it was surprising and appalling. Without this forum, where else could they go for their popcorn, lawnchairs, drinks & entertainment w/friends?
I don’t believe in biting the hand that feeds me, so though I’ll criticize an Idol or other opinions, I wouldn’t dream of criticising your blog or your opinions. I’d just find another hand to feed me. I have internet, I know how to visit other blogs. Posting my opinion here is free & safe (except for the price you pay for having an unpopular opinion ;)
To me, that’s pretty awesome.
I was drawn to read this thread because your leads are captivating (not misleading, as has been inferred).
“What is Adam up to now”, I ask myself. Eighteen pages later, I find out. Adam is an Idol with feet of clay! SHOCKER :wallbash_tb:
Adam is not allowed to have an opinion unless it meets w/the approval of his fans? Considering the majority of them don’t agree w/each other or in fact, change their opinion midstream, how could he possibly say anything right? Wait, don’t tell me, this is a democracy and I need to count those who don’t think he did anything wrong to see if he did something right? duh!
For all the excuses & rationalizations made throughout this thread about heat, weather, tiredness etc., it doesn’t change the fact some sweaty people have an offensive smell & probably even more have sweaty hands.
Yukkk!
Just from looking at Adam, it’s obvious he must be fastidious about his grooming. Anyone wearing custom made clothing, glam makeup & hair seems just a bit more conscious of personal hygiene and appearance.
As many say, these are his fans & he should appreciate them. I say, if you watch his performances and don’t think you’re appreciated, you’re no fan.
Do I find it offensive that he finds some of his fans overzealous, sweaty or smelly? NO! He’s entitled to his sensitivities and his opinion. Isn’t he?
If you don’t think he is, maybe the problem isn’t Adam’s.
Getting back to the heart of the matter….
That’s what puzzled me. He was asked what crazy things fans have done and he responds with “stinky and smelly?” They didn’t DO stinky and smelly. I’m sure that most of them showered and groomed themselves before they left home. And I bet not one of them thought, “Oh, I know! I’m going to the barricades all stinky and smelly because I know Adam will think that’s funny and crazy!” Instead, I think that this tour is in the dead, hot summer. People perspire because — you know — they’re human beings and often there is no place to freshen up in a parking lot or on the side of a city street. I’m sure most of the fans do the best they can, but many times, arriving early and getting a good spot is rewarded. So, people weigh the pluses and minuses. Do I stand out in that hot sun to possibly meet my favorite Idol despite the fact that I will be uncomfortable and not looking my best after all those hours or do I show up at the last minute and potentially miss my only chance to meet him/her and get an autograph or photo. Seriously, I can’t see the crazy here. I just see eager fans, not unlike sports fans or fans of movie stars who will wait for their favorites, thinking this might be their only opportunity for a face-to-face.
It does make me wonder if Adam never liked an artist enough to go “above and beyond” to meet him or her or get an autograph. Is he so far removed from that time in his life — like 7 or 8 months away from it? — that it’s a memory he can’t connect with anymore? Hey, I don’t know. Maybe that’s not his style. That might be a good question to ask him. What was the craziest thing YOU ever did as a fan of someone?
Can’t they just block them? I mean, I’m entirely new to twitter, but I noticed immediately that there were dozens of pouty “girls” who apparently think I am interested in knowing that they are available and want to meet “me.” I hated to break their hearts and tell them I’m a heterosexual woman, so I just blocked the poor, little lambs. Hope each of them finds a date soon.
I knew someone would dig this up.
I felt sorry for the little girl at the very end, “can he go get Cook, mom?” Oh well. But, it did look like David was still talking with some people in the crowd before he eventually left, just not near where the person with the video camera was. Wouldn’t mind knowing what he said to them.
ITA, if we’re talking about changing the behaviour of the offenders. But there’s another possible benefit that might not be a total waste of time.
Many kinds of obnoxious fan behaviour can offend not only the performer but also (possibly to a lesser degree) other fans or potential fans who are in the vicinity. When the performer calls the OTT fans out on things that bug them, then those fans who were also bugged can, at least, feel like they’re in a like minded group. It’s not a big deal, and not big deal at all if you don’t go to many concerts. But most people enjoy a concert more if they not only like the performer but also like the crowd vibe. So if the crowd vibe is not all that, then at least it’s something to know that the performer, at least, is trying to to alter it, even if there’s not much hope in it succeeding. And, possibly, it could help to draw people who agree with the performer, and over time, the vibe could inch in the desired direction. A long shot, to be sure, but it can’t hurt. IMO, it’s better than saying nothing at all, even if all it does is make the performer feel better for speaking their mind.
The AI fanbase does seem unusually insular to me (speaking as someone new to it) because whatever your opinion about what Adam said, and i can see different opinions being valid as they often are on most issues, surely it’s not this important or interesting…?
ITA. This is probably because Adam’s fan groups are so fragmented and there are fanwars between them. ONTD AI especially seems to hate all the other groups. I don’t see that with fans of Kris. Don’t think it was like that for Clay either. That doesn’t help Adam in winning online polls or spamming radio stations, but it was brilliant on the part of Adam’s management to use that to raise more money for his DonorsChoose.org contest. None of the fan groups wanting the other ones to win = more $$$ for kids.
Well then if that’s what the words “claymates” mean it shld actually be banned or deleted when used since it’s meaning does generalize and is calculated to be offensive to an entire fan base.and that’s breaking the guidelines here. just sayin .
also lets not be deluded every single fan base is exactly like that. they defend their fav that’s why they are fans . i see it when the idols get negative reviews(kris) or when they slip up (matt’s messenger remark)or wear overtly sexy clothes.(Allison). no one is out there calling their fans claymates.
Well, I am in my twenties as well, if that matters. Sometimes the assumption that I am older because I like Adam/AI is pretty funny.
No it’s not, but I guess I don’t like getting stereotyped. I’m only human!
Me? I will probably be around still after the tour (I actually don’t pay too close attention to the actual tour, just news that springs from it), but that hinges more on SYTYCD than AI as that is my main show.
That’s really good guys, from responding to what Adam said about some of his fans and your expand it to insult people outside of US. However, I understand for some people that NEVER traveling abroad and only stay in US for the whole of their life they will think people that don’t live in the US are not civilized and don’t know about hygiene.. etc.. etc.. FYI Modern Civilization actually began in Iran.
Breaking News for you who think people outside of US are smelly, in some 3rd world country, the people actually take shower more than once and really pay attention about hygiene even when their standard of living’s way below US. And Adam’s been traveling around the world. He knows what it’s like out there, the people and their culture. He even advices people to travel abroad to open their mind about other country.
I am from Southeast Asia and live in FL now. Actually the weather in FL is more humid and hotter than Southeast Asia. And yes, we take shower more than once and pay attention of hygiene and we know about perfume and deodorant. My advice to you is do what Adam said, go travel to other country and you’ll be surprise that they’re actually smell a lot better than some of us in here, because they take shower more than once even if the water bill’s high and because they love to look nice and clean and to smell nice and love perfume.
Plus when Adam’s touring round the world, he will likely be in the capital city and if you who don’t know Singapore, Jakarta, Kuala Lumpur, Bangkok and Manila, they are Megapolitan cities like New York, Houston, Los Angeles or all the megapolitan cities in the US. And there won’t be meet and greet outside like in here, if there’s a meet and greet? It will be a nice dinner with Adam inside :biggrin_wp:
Actually, Adam wasn’t asked about fans at all. Here is the question:
Too bad Adam just didn’t leave out the “a little sweaty (laugh) umm a little stinky” comment, and just talked about the 4 foot tall kangaroo. Or perhaps he could have talked about performing on GMA.
Wow – this thread certainly took on a life of it’s own! As for being an Adam fan, and trying to be a GOOD one, I try to see it this way:
Adam is human, and has many many flaws, like the best of them, and he is often, by his own admission, not likely to hide them (the lack of filter being a good example). He’s not apologetic. He’s bold in his decisions and convictions. He does what he wants to do. I, personally, choose to respect and admire him for that, more than just seeing “no fault” with what he does.
There are times when I thought he said stupid things, and dressed badly, and looked silly. And each time that happens, I’m more likely to make a joke out of it, but certainly not defend him to high heaven for it.
More than anything, what I love about Adam is that he will make people both love and hate him, often at the same time, for the same things. He’s never boring, he’s never ordinary. There’s a price of controversy that comes with that, but it keeps him in the headlines, keeps him interesting, and keeps me, for one, a fan of his. Just my 2 cents :-)
I agree that it’s not a losing cause for an Idol or any celebrity to call out obnoxious behavior — behavior, not inadvertent issues like sweating in the hot sun — because the less crazy fans tend to take that as a cue to help their “idol” get the nuttier types in order. The fanbase begins to do their own policing and tries to discourage and put the kibosh on OTT actions. I’ve seen it happen. I’ve seen the “shhing” and the attempts at politely talking to people to get them to stop whatever their doing. It doesn’t work on everyone, but it really does help to diminish it.
Fair enough.
I guess my only real point was this: I was *around* during the Claymate time, know what it means, and found it pretty appalling. And maybe because I was around to observe the Claymate era, as an Adam fan, I *do* see potential similarities — a lot of them, actually. Thus, to me, the comparison is actually that — a comparison that people make because they, too, notice the similarities. If you never observed the Claymate thing, of course you *wouldn’t* see the similarities and, thus, I can see why it would simply read to you as some kind of generic insult.
But since I see the similarities myself, I hear the same comment — no matter how somebody meant it — and think, Yikes! That’s a scary and a possibly pretty accurate comparison that it would be well for us Adam fans to think about, because the way the Claymates operated absolutely did backfire.
Since I see the comparison myself and wonder about it, obviously, I don’t think of it as a dis! Frankly, I don’t even *care* whether people mean it as a dis or not because it strikes me as at last somewhat apt and thus worth thinking about!
The Idol fandom being as much like a religious war as it often is, people from every fandom say things that have a bite underneath them. But, to me, that’s only to be expected from intense discussion, and if there are still ideas involved that are interesting, then I don’t care. But if that’s not the kind of discussion someone cares for, I can certainly see why the presence of so many comments with a little bite toward one’s favored Idols and those Idols’ faithful is grating and unpleasant. But I like discussing religion at the dinner table, too!
I think it is very easy to make Adam fans upset by calling them Claymates. Personally, I don’t care what fans of others call me. I have no intention to critizise other fan base either. I just want to focus my energy on the topic and the one idol I adore. I certainly won’t go into threads about other idols to find something wrong to say about them. Now if I have something nice to say, I will do it. But that’s just me.
I love Adam to pieces and I am a big fan, but I don’t believe in constant worshiping of him. Adam can do wrong and often time he does, or else this thread wouldn’t exist.
MJ, I do kinda feel bad if all the Adam fans here scare away some of your posters.
MJ,
I love you.
Posters to this thread, STFU
MJ
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This is too funny. We have two articles on interviews with Kris and one has 21 comments, the second one has 73 comments. We have two articles…one on Adam and Kris…222 comments mostly about Adam and this article producing 900 comments. It is very obvious that Adam definitely attracts attention. A lot of Kris’s fans complain that Adam overshadows everyone else, but yet they spend all their time talking (complaining) about Adam and ignore Kris. Just too funny.
I was wondering when this reaction would pop up. This is OT but I want to address it a little. I have been abroad. Trust me. I also used to work with international graduate students who were new to the country. So, I have had exposure to people outside of the U.S.
That being said, my actual feelings are exactly the opposite of what you’re implying. I believe — and it’s an actual cultural topic — that Americans are overly obsessed with hygiene and germs. Just look at the over use of antibiotics and anti-bacterial soap — to the point where it’s become ineffective! Hospitals have even stopped using that type of soap. I think this over emphasis on “odor” or being super clean and fresh — while “good intentioned” — is really part and parcel of our consumer society that wants to sell every, frickin’ product possible to take care of every little centimeter of our bodies, if not stuff that’s completely made up!! It’s like the greeting card industry that pushes for new holidays or new types of people to celebrate in order to sell more cards to people. Secretary’s day! Mother-in-laws day! Death of your second cousin, once removed! You name it!
So hats off to other countries where consumers are not as susceptible to this and BOOOO if they are starting to become just as nuts about this as we are. Normal hygiene doesn’t mean walking around smelling like air freshener!
He may never have done anything like this.
I’m a huge music fan; have gone to hundreds of concerts; listen to music constantly; bought my first record album with money I had saved at age 5 and a half; never threw out any of my old lps or tapes because I wasn’t going to spend money on replacing *music* when I already had that *music* but instead bought cds of new stuff instead; have as a result thousands of recordings in my house in all those formats, plus a couple of music-full computers and ipods, plus a huge bookshelf full of sheet music of many many of my favorite artists …. I am, in short, a music *nut*.
And yet I have never approached a musician, never gone to a meet and greet, never stood outside a stage door, never sought an autograph or a conversation or a glimpse of anybody on the street. Never has even occurred to me to do any of those things. Have no idea what I could possibly get out of that.
So while that may not be Adam, it *could* be Adam.
And if he’s anything at all like this, he may just simply not understand being another way. It’s really hard to understand people who are wired really differently from you, I’m sure we can all realize.
On “smelly.” Well, it’s been said by a *lot* of people that Adam tends to smell very very good. So he could also be one of those people who’s just terribly sensitive to smells and kind of hyper about not being near bad smells, including his own. So the word just came to him.
Or, he may just have been letting his mouth run while his brain was not engaged! It happens to all of us!
ITA. I’m also afraid that when S9 starts and MJ moves on there will be complaints that she’s not covering Adam enough and the newly named “Glambutts”/”Lambskunks” :laugh_tb: will infuse every performance thread with “no one can compare to Adam” or “S/He’s copying Adam”, etc….
I don’t get the OTT fascination with him myself (or any Idol for that matter).
I can’t blame any of the Idols for not wanting to go out to the sweaty/smelly barricades. BUT… The vocal rest excuse is a bit lame considering that previous Idols have gone out in the past under the same medical circumstances. So IMO there’s something else going on. And just for the record… I don’t think any of the Idols owe it to their fans to be at the barricades. It’s nice if they do but certainly not a requirement. So really no excuse should be necessary. But if he’s going to provide one I’d rather Adam just be honest and say he hates the setup.
Well, maybe the “doctor’s order” is for Adam’s allergy to foul smells, sweats, and of course, fatty oil? In that case he can’t go to the meets and greets even his voice is no problem.
Only a couple more posts to pass 1,000. Don’t stop now!
I’m sorry peeps I know everyone’s being serious and stuff but this whole thread is making me LOL. I am a huge( u could say obsessed I don’t care) Adam fan. the fan boards are un-organized and repitive about Adam’s awesomeness. well,duh I already know he’s awesome or else I wouldn’t be a fan. I’m amazed this thread is 18 pages . I’ve loved American idol since I started watching in season 2. In fact the way my aunt introduced me after saying my name was that I was obsessed with AI. I’ve had countdown boards until the begining of the season I spend mornings on the bus discussing AI I spend almost every minute talking thinking and living AI. I’ve had faves most seasons but my faves never win. it’s probably unhealthy how much I love AI. 2 years ago I bought a book about it. I got all my news from AI.com ( remember that?) but never filliwed my favrs once the season ends.50% of the music on my iPod is AI music which means I either love AI or have really really bad taste owning that dreck. but luvAI isn’t my name because Adam is the best singer I’ve ever heard I love his personality everything. I’ve lurked here from the begining of the season and made an account late July. Believe it or not vftw is actually could for something. I was on vftw since season 6. I am a lurker.without there link I would have never found MJ’s. Ever since I found it I’ve lurked constantly waiting 4 the next comment to be posted. Normally I never read comments but the ones here are intelligent and constructive not the shit u see on other message boards. I’m not going to go into details of how much I love Adam but . I’m just going to say how everyone knew how much I loved Adam. I was on dialidol the morning of the finale and was sad the whole day but I saw this thing where people predicted Adam would win and was fine. I had a feeling kris would win I was even whispering kris as Ryan announced it. Literally my heart dropped I went into shock then burst into tears. Normally I hate hugs and a my friends know that. The next day everyone even people who weren’t my friends hugged me. I was distraught for 3 weeks and am still not over it and never will be. I was never in any fan group. Most of Adam’s fans have been called glamberts so yes unnofficialy I’m a glambert. I don’t care if they become the next clay-mates. I don’t defend Adam but most of the time I agree with him. Here kris fans bash Adam to make kris seem better . I don’t defend I ignore. Honestly I couldn’t care LESS. mj I wasn’t sure until today but most of my interests have faded but american idol never has even though I will always be upset with the finale result. so hell yeah I’ll be here next spring and I’ll be an Adam fan 4 life. and now going back and reading this comment I have to laugh.
I disagree, the Kris fans who post here don’t ignore Kris.
The majority of posts in this thread are from Adam fans. And in the photothread, there’s somewhat of a fanwar going on, with each side criticizing the looks of their rival Idol.
OK, so after reviewing where I left off last night in this never-ending thread, my conclusions have nothing to do with what side of the fence… er, barricade.. posters are on, because there will never be a consensus, nor should there be. No, my summary thoughts are all about what a remarkably erudite and literate bunch we are! Really, people, think about it – where else would you find this level of quailty self-expression “across the board”, so to speak? I think that’s precisely why this thread has continued as long as it has, where it may have fizzled out long before now on fan boards populated by peeps with nothing more constructive to add to the conversation than “OMG!!! I’m SO taking a bottle of Axe with me next time!!”.
Round of applause to MJ for attracting intelligent conversation and debate…… even if the subject stinks!
Damn my last post was long :D
Lucy, great post! What you said about the Claymates also applies to the Soul Patrol. In fact, I think both fanbases are one in the same. As a fan of Taylor, I saw this happening from the very beginning. I still remember after Taylor won, he was just as popular as Adam. I don’t know if it had more to do because he was the first white male to win or because he was such an underdog or because he was such a refreshing change from cookie-cutter pop, and he was getting as much publicity, if not more than Adam.
I warned the Soul Patrol more than once that their over-zealous, over-invested, fangirly behavior was hurting Taylor and he was not going to be taken seriously by the music industry when all his fans do is thud (the dumbest expression EVER), talk endlessly about how handsome & sexy he is and attack anyone who doesn’t like him. Of course, I was bashed and accused of being a troll, which could not be further from the truth, but nobody could reason with these people.
I’ll never forget the time a message was posted on Taylor’s myspace asking fans to stop calling radio stations. I can’t imagine how bad it was if Taylor’s mgmt. had to actually scold fans!
The Glamberts need to learn the mistakes made by the Claymates & Soul Patrol. If you really love Adam and want to see him succeed….BACK OFF!
Interesting Tweet from Adam just now…
Absolutely count on that happening, because it happens every year.
Adam weighs in via twitter ;)
Honestly, as I am seeing a couple comments, MJ — I was implying anything about you or the blog or the general tone. I was just commenting on many a thing that sprung up during this thread. I am not getting my knickers in a wad or anything, just frustrated with some of the fan generalizations (not just Claymatism, but fan attitudes and ettiquette) to which I voiced my opinion. I wasn’t being a h8ter at you.
Well, you wrote it just as I was posting mine, so you unknowingly helped prove my point, and despite (or perhaps because of) you being 12 years old, you know what I’m saying!
Well now you have done it. All you Adam fans who are supposedly protecting him. Now he has to respond to this shit. Give him a break. It was one comment. On top of being tired, having to perform, dealing with whatever he is dealing with, now he has wonder about what major faupaux he has committed that created 19 pages of comments. Aaaarghhh.
Gee. Glamour…..I always thought that Taylor didn’t get any respect from the recording companies because his cds didn’t sell. Too bad all his OTT fans didn’t purchase his music. I doubt that we “Glamberts” will make the same mistake.
Perhaps these would make an excellent endcap to this thread:
You smell… Like roses!!!! :)
17 minutes ago from TwitterFon
Pittsburgh is gonna rock tonight! I LOVE MY FANS!! please ignore those in the press who seek attention by trying to put words in my mouth.
22 minutes ago from TwitterFon
It all begins and ends with Adam.
Thanks, Adam!
Some Adam fans do go way OTT and are “over zealous”. But I think that Adam fans are not that much like “Clay fans” or any other Idol’s fanbase. There is something different going on.
I can’t find any data on the demographics of Adam’s fans but I am confident that there are plenty of Adam fans who are not in their 20’s. Just an analysis of MySpace and Facebook pages provides proof of many fans from 8 to over 80. I did find a couple of clear differientiating facts:
1. More International: It appears that Adam’s fans are more likely to be from outside of the US than any other Idol. There are Adam fan sites in at least 18 countries already and at least 7 organized international fan groups. Here’s a comparison of traffic to the official sites:
AdamOfficial.com – 58.1% of traffic from US
KellyClarkson.com – 61.4% of traffic from US
Daughtryofficial.com – 66.0% of traffic from US
DavidCookOfficial.com – 75.0% of traffic from US
KrisAllenOfficial.com – 76.6% of traffic from US
DavidArchuleta.com – 82.1% of traffic from US
Clayonline.com – 89.7% of traffic from the US
Note: AdamOfficial.com also has the most total traffic of any of these sites and the most traffic from the US.
2. Very Fragmented: There is not one dominant Adam fan site or fan group. It is a fragmented, diverse group. There are literally dozens of Adam fan sites that have measurable traffic. I even found a couple Adam fashion fan sites. One good example is to look at the fan group competition on DonorChoose.org — there are now 13 different fan groups with contributions.
Ladyguard, his cd’s didn’t sell because he got NO radio airplay and NO video…NONE, and I mean NONE!
And all is forgiven. Smelly gate has come to a close lol
Now instead of underwear he’s probably gonna get roses thrown at him (hopefully without the thorns!!!)
922 cmon people u can do it LOL
So, I post a link to the actual review, plus a transcript of his actual words, and I’m putting words in his mouth?
Own it, boy. lol.
I totally agree with Glamour and Lucy that crazy fans can really hurt an Idol once they step into the “real’ world. Radio stations were bombarded with requests to play Clay’s music, so much so that DJs simply refused. Where I live, the only Idols I ever hear on the radio are Kelly, Carrie, Daughtry, Jordin, and surprisingly, Elliott Yamin. Kellie Pickler got some airplay on the country stations too. I don’t think I have ever heard a Clay Aiken song played on a pop station (Taylor either, actually). I do hear them in the grocery store though!
Current Idol contestants, like Adam, have the benefit of hindsight and can look back to see exactly how and why others have failed in the past. I don’t know if any of this is actually a result of that, but if Adam is trying to distance himself from the fantards at this point, he may have good reason.
Adam Lambert is not your average Idol. Prior to being on the show, the type of people who are throwing themselves at him now wouldn’t have been caught dead at one of his shows. This dichotomy has to be very puzzling for him.
It will be interesting to see how his album is received outside the Idol world. I have a feeling it’s going to do very well, but I also thought that about Taylor’s album, so what do I know!!!
Thanks for the thumbs up, MJ. I’m glad you’re glad that I plan on sticking around past the S8 tour and into S9. As an out lesbian, I’m very curious how the entrance of an openly gay, theatrical contestant that did so very well is going to influence next season’s auditioners.
I do like this blog. I like the intelligence and wit of the contributors.
I’ve been to a LOT of concerts. Usually by the end of the night, I am surrounded by my brother and sister concert goers who indeed, smell pretty ripe. I’ve been to fifty (yes, 50) Grateful Dead shows, seen the Allman Bros, Dave Matthews, Widespread Panic, etc. All these shows involve DANCING hard, which causes sweat. Now, here’s the deal. In the real world of concert going, there is NO Meet and Greet before or after the show. Just doesn’t happen. Once Adam is solo, this weird barricades “obligation” disappears. He can choose to meet fans, or not. He’s outrageously popular because he can really, really sing and he is a joyful performer. He loves his fans. His performances show it.
Because he is also raw and unfiltered and willing to do outrageous stuff, like have his picture taken in that weird Michelin Man suit, he’ll continue to show up in the news. People love that kind of stuff. And once again, the music industry loves him and he already has a celebrity fan base. So, one comment about the fact that some of his OTT fans who grab at him inappropriately are “smelly” ain’t gonna make or break him. It’s all about the music, right? So I pray that his CD kicks some serious ass and is not some weird 19E cookie cutter piece of schlock, because, vocally Adam is better than that.
Oh, and MJ, I LOVE your guidelines. They make it safe here, and I like that. Some of the other places that people can comment, like articles and reviews and stuff, people get really nasty toward each other because there is no moderator. I really appreciate that about this site.
Edit: Ah, there’s the tweet we were waiting for. I knew he’d get up this morning and have to respond. We’ll see how it all plays out now…
by press I think he means USA TOday. idk he could mean blogs too
Taylor’s fans had nothing to do with the lack of radio airplay for Taylor’s first album. Talyor got no radio airplay because he didn’t release a single for radio airplay from it until 2 months after the album was released. (Album released – December 12, 2006 peak chart position US Album #2; single “Just to Feel That Way” officially released to radio on February 5, 2007 peak chart position #20 US AC).
And, the single, IMO, wasn’t very good.
Well, Brian sort of lectured him. Maybe that pissed him off. idk.
Thing is, when you’re unfiltered, it gets you lots of press. Some of it is not going to be very flattering.
I see a pattern here that might be developing…
I don’t think the world revolves around your blog, MJ, js ;)
Also, I think what he probably meant was how his comments were taken out of context and blown out of proportion by people like Brian Mansfield.
You, go, girl, austinmidwife!
Let’s just hope he doesn’t hear about the RS essay thread, as I wouldn’t wanna see a Tweet defending himself against skin-haters and ass-haters…. geez.
Good idea. This would send a great message. Lot’s of roses tonight would mean that all is forgiven.
I realize that, but he could be tallking about everybody, or some of us. I don’t know…
And I think you may be right. That’s why I hope his management would step in and do something about it. But I don’t think his tweet was targeting you who posted the actual interview. He was talking about some headline that simply says “My fans stink” and such.
What ungrateful bitch! lol
His fans spent one whole day defending the words straight from his mouth as “refreshingly honest” and “Adam speaks the truth.” now he bitchslaps them by not even owning his words with audio record no less. LOL. So, was he being honest or forced to say those words?
Believe it or not in the comments in some press ( I don’t remember which ones) Adam gained fans 4 being honest. Maybe like 2 but it’s better than nothing.
Well, Anoop is probably giving you the stink-eye right about now…..
And with that…. can we get 1000!!??
LOL!!!
adam tweets and this should be good for another 160 posts
MJ: So, I post a link to the actual review, plus a transcript of his actual words, and I’m putting words in his mouth?
Own it, boy. lol.
MJ – LMAO!!
Well he never said the fans smelled bad!! :drunk_tb:
Even Adam’s most committed OTT fans didn’t try that one!
Now he has people on Twitter trying to figure out what he is talking about.
The point is without radio airplay and no video, the cd’s sales died off.
It didn’t matter that the single was released two months later – if radio had played it, cd sales would have picked up.
it’s been said, but Adam was sooooo obviously attempting humor with the sweaty smelly fan comment…hey it’s hot and humid out there…the interviewer suggested the touchy feely comment and Adam went with it. the whole response seemed rather generic even the repetative kangaroo mention. What i reacted to was the first question of the velocity interview when adam shocked the interviewer with his response that the tour is NOT the best part of the idol experience. Come on the expected response is “Yeah, I just couldn’t wait to get out there and meet and entertain all my wonderful fans.” But in true adam fashion his response was (paraphrased)the best part is now I get to be a recording artist and make a crapload of money!
I was about to write this, terraj.
Words can be misinterpreted because sentences have a surface structure (form) and an deep structure (underlying meaning).
Unfortunately, a few bad Glamberts have given the rest of us a bad name. Adam is only human and is not perfect. I don’t always like what he says and does, but what is so endearing about him, is that he is honest and doesn’t care what anybody thinks. He puts himself completely out there, makes no excuses, and seems to have the attitude of, ‘if you like me, that’s great, if you don’t, that’s fine too.’
I’m not the least bid offended by what he says. I don’t blame him at all. I wouldn’t want to have to do the barricades and meet and greets. Always having to be “on”, smiling all the time, making small talk, hugging total strangers (who may smell) putting your arm around them for a pic……ugh.
When random things form a “pattern” something HAS developed.
Adam’s pattern: say it…spin it (deny, deny, deny).
Who say’s Glambert isn’t politically correct?
When he gets tired of being a rock star he should run for office!
Well i did say things when matt said that.I watched fans try and twist it so bad.The guy that tweeted it came here and cleared up what happened BUT i never saw matt fans blame other people for matts actions.Not 1 matt fan posted poor matt he is tired,signing every day before,after then M&g.Then he has to do the concert.OMG he has that yobo tv thing when hes not doing the other stuff.
Us allison fans didn’t really care much when the boob picture came up.Some said she is losing weight.I think i said no biggie go to the beach or high school dance.I will add she is young but you have them show the boys her age a little its how you make extra fans.I see it all the time from adam fans “sex sells”.
Adam i have seen everything he has done turn in to no it wasn’t him it was _________.Hell i could type all day to fill in that blank.I will just say this.I watched a poster here take shit for saying she saw a sex toy and it got thrown at adam.1 video came out and she was blasted on here omg it was cloth how dare you.If you didn’t know much about sex toys and the toy i think it turned out to be(sex toy would fit) I never saw 1 poster on here tell her they were sorry and thats anyone right.Just has its my right to say yes SOME of ADAM fans are coming off a lot like CLAYMATES.If the claymate shoe fits(and i’m sure peeps wearing them know who they are)Then try a new pair of shoes.
I love ALLISON so you feel the need to be mad at me go for it.I can snark allison if its funny and fair to my favorite.
Ps-just so some know i own 2 and a half songs from adam.I know he is not a god in my eyes so i can’t call myself a fan.
MJ said:
ITA.
Okay, back this morning. Just watched the Cook vid. And IMO he didn’t do anything awful. He didn’t curse at them. Just said, “you want me to go get him?” They said yes. Screw ’em. Whatever to do was created around that so called incident was a tempest in a teapot. Just like this Adam statement. And no, I’m not a Cook fan. Never watched AI before this year. And no, I don’t like his music. Saw him on GMA and watched a piece of vid of him in concert, so no, I’m not an over invested fan. I also think the drubbing Matt took when he made his comment about not being Adam’s servant (or something like that) was uncalled for. These guys are all going out of their way to be nice to their fans and all they get for it is unappreciative sweaty, smelly (yes, damn it, the bloom came off the damn rose), masses up in their face, being touchy feely and down right rude. And if they make any comment about it to try and impose boundaries they’re labeled a diva. Bull Shit. The AI collective fandom that imposes these rules needs to get over themselves.
And, yes, I’m feeling pissed because, yes, I’m still feeling like I’ve been attacked as a fan. And while I agree that it’s on a much smaller scale (just in this thread) than the poor Danny fans have had to put up with, it doesn’t change what I feel. But I object to being labeled as an overzealous fan because instead of being offended, I found what Adam said amusing.
It’s like on the twitter thing. I was pleased that Adam sicked some of the crazies on the twitterer (is that the right term) that was harassing the idols. MJ posted that she thinks he should have ignored it and done nothing and listed a couple reasons. One of them I believe was the person might be mentally ill. I didn’t say anything then, but since it pertains to the same attitude I’m seeing here, I have to call Bull Shit again.
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” -Edmund Burke
While we aren’t talking the ultimate Evil here, the concept is the same. If we feel that fan behavior is abusive, rude, wrong, or any other term you choose, it needs to be confronted or nothing will change. I commend each and every one of these idols for attempting to set boundaries. And, no, I don’t think any of them have to or need to care what the so called idol fan base thinks. Because the few who are both vocal and say they no longer intend to buy their CD are either (a) not likely a fan of that particular idol to start (b) few in number as it’s the internet AI fans only (c) not a fan they probably want anyway. So standing up for themselves won’t hurt them from a business point of view either. And even if it does, it won’t be by enough to affect their whole career.
Now if they kicked a puppy…yeah, I’d boycott the lot of them. Setting boundaries on the other hand seems to be something we all should support.
Okay, taking deep breath here and getting off my soap box.
u mean his fans and non fans spent a whole day talking abt this. if i remember u were the first to comment and ur not a fan . there’s no bitch slapping here. his words were exaggerated in print esp by the USA today guy.
Hi MJ
Of course you didn’t put words into Adam’s mouth but you strongly influenced the way that we heard them.
We listened to an interview (maybe) and we read a selected passage from a longer interview … in a context; the context that you created when you wrote a pithy, sensational headline. Of course, as a journalist, you know that headlines prime us to see and hear things in a particular light. You know that they direct and focus our attention on the aspects of text that you, particularly, want to emphasize.
And that’s assuming that we actually take the time to listen to the interview and read text that you’ve supplied. Many of us only read the headlines.
Wow, kinda diva-ish to think he’s talking specifically about you isn’t it? I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the way you posted it. You stated the facts and YOUR feelings about it.
Others who reported on it, including Brian Mansfield, on USA Today.com, did put words in Adam’s mouth with his attempts to psychoanalyze and tell everyone Adam’s “real” feelings towards his fans and what his personality was.
As was said so many times in this thread, about the smelly issue, if you don’t smell, don’t assume he’s talking about you.
Totally agree.
Problem is, I think, that, while the folks who do this are probably only a small minority, they become the face of the fangroup to the outside world and, especially, to the music/radio world — who already suspect that all of us Idol watchers are lame idiots!
And I truly think that this particular kind of behavior toward an Idol/god/enthusiasm is a human built-in, right there in the brain, and if you get caught up in a certain enthusiasm, you’re just going to reflexively act this way no matter what. And the tv relationship we get into with the Idols seems to be very good at triggering this kind of devotion. So — hard to warn people off what is minority behavior and, for that minority, reflexive and kind of compulsive. It has hurt some Idols in the past, I’m sure. In the Elliott fandom, for example, there are always some people warning — with good reason — against going too far, and it’s really hard to get folks to stop because the active devotion just kind of propels itself.
Yeah, I talked about it, and his fans spent the whole day defending Adam’s words. Anything wrong with that?
Problem is, Adam can’t have it both ways. He can’t be refreshingly honest AND words being put into his mouth. Speaking of smelly, sweaty, touchy fans, which word is put in his mouth and by whom?
Well, I cannot recall any recent post that had so many MJ’s comments, and the vast majority is somewhat defensive. Maybe, just maybe, it was not really an “innocent” thing to do, posting it the way you did. You have an absolute right to (well, as much as everyone else here) express your tastes, likes and dislikes, I would never ever argue about that! My only complaint was – do it out and open. As all of us do. That’s all. You’ll have a lot of opportunities to make similar threads, thank God there’s someone like him came along that is multi-dimensional and not made of plastic. And as for “own it boy” ‘“ you took Adam’s twit pretty personal for some reason. :lol_tb:
I haven’t read the entire thread, just the last several pages but also wanted to throw in my 2 cents.
* I don’t begrudge MJ for posting this. To me, it’s no different than the Gokey/Sarver “godly” comment that riled people up. It’s newsworthy, at least in this itty bitty corner of the world. And I suspect it will die a natural death in a matter of days (but will be dredged up anytime some other Idol makes an inappropriate comment and that person’s fans rise up in his or her defense).
* It was a thoughtless comment (the sweaty/smelly one). Period. I won’t try to defend it or explain it away. But I’ve made many thoughtless comments in my life (we all have) and fortunately for me they weren’t caught on tape.
* I think Adam is a people person and I think he loves and appreciates the vast majority of his fans. And no, Brian Mansfield, I don’t think this is some “clue” that Adam’s not the nice guy we all know him to be. I’m going to judge him based on what I saw with my own eyes on Idol and the many, many positive comments from people who worked with him before he became famous and those who have worked with him since, not some stray remark.
* I DO think the Idol tour guys need to do a better job of managing/controlling the crowds at the M&G. From the videos taken before Adam stopped coming out, things seemed to be getting increasingly out of hand. If the venue guys can’t/won’t handle it, Idol needs to step up. It looked overwhelming and scary.
* I’m a huge fan and I can’t wait to see Adam live. He is an incredible talent. But I will not be stalking the buses or angling for an autograph. Just not me. I like Kris and Allison too, but honestly, the only reason I visit this blog is because of Adam.
* Oh, and anytime someone makes a Claymate reference when talking about Adam’s fans, I just tune out. Because I know they’re trying to press buttons. Regardless of how intellectually the argument is presented, it’s just a dig.
Er, I kinda took it as being directed to all of us.
jms:
do you have a link to the cook video you were just referring to? thanks!
LOL. Nobody thinks they smell…
Thanks, anthrogeek. Yeah, I left that RS thread pretty fast. I couldn’t believe how many people were commenting on his skin and butt. Jeez, we are all human, and we all have our flaws. I think Adam and Kris and Co. and just getting used to all the attention to the details of their lives and persons by people they do not even know. Must be overwhelming at times, but it’s the price you pay for Fame. It’s a little “insane” and causes a little bit of “pain”. (Check out Adam’s latest vocal improvisations on “Fame” for the reference.)
It’s a sink or swim kind of world in the public eye. We’ll see how they all cope once the tour is over and they’re off launching their own careers.
What makes you think that he is talking about your blog? There are other sites that reported about his comments and they criticized him and implied that he hates his fans.
BTW, I don’t know why some people keeps insulting Clay and his fans. Like it or not, he is still one of the most successful Idols. He has got a new record deal recently because the industry knows that he has a dedicated fanbase.
Hahaha, MJ you got pwned. Words taken out of context, much? :)
MJ, you have the patience of a saint :)
I’m kind of with NewFan on this. Have also read many negative comments on other sites about the headline.
Season 9 can’t come fast enough. lol. At least that’s the way I feel today.
The judges are almost done with S9 3rd round auditions. I’ll be digging into spoilers soon. And a new season of SYTYCD in just a couple of weeks. I cannot wait. :).
Well, not *always*, lol! I just made the comparison — didn’t bring it up, but responded to its being made and added my two cents that it worries me that I do see similarities — and I’m not digging at Adam fans since I’m a huge Adam fan myself! Adam is now at the top of my Idol favorites list and I don’t imagine anybody will replace him there any time soon or ever. And he’s darned high on my all-time-favorite artists list, period, even though he hasn’t even done anything yet — my expectations are just that high. So, no, not a dig at Adam fans.
On the other hand, from my perspective, it *is* a dig at the people who actually *are* over-defensive and over-reactive on Adam’s behalf. Or rather, not so much a dig as a Yikes! Please let’s notice how defensive and hyper-sensitive many people are being on Adam’s behalf and please don’t carry this reflex behavior on when his album comes out — he doesn’t need floods of calls to djs in distant states badgering them to play his song more and dozens of comments on every newspaper review saying how wrong it is! Wouldn’t be good for his image at all. I’m hoping it doesn’t happen. But it’s happened before. And Idol seems to bring it out of us.
(Adam would survive it much much better than Taylor or Clay, I hasten to say, because he is way more likely to make radio-friendly, contemporary music. Nevertheless, it would still make him look like a dork, I believe, and that’s not really in any artist’s best interest.)
http://www.examiner.com/x-14406-LA-Celebrity-Examiner~y2009m8d21-Adam-Lambert-My-fans-stink
Did Adam ever say “My fans stink”? Isn’t it obvious thst he was talking about SOME fans who are sometimes a little bit smelly?
@cmheart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QGahp0DGYA
I think what Adam is trying to say in his tweets are that journalists are implying he is being ungracious and hates his fans. Granted he said some of the overzealous ones can be sweaty and smelly, but he never even said he hated those either. I realize mj said he crossed the line with his “smelly” fans statement, but she never said Adam hated them, as other journalists have said. I believe those are the ones he is referring to.
MJ: why do you assume he’s talking about you? There are tons of little articles and blog entries that get written about stuff like this that exaggerate and misquote that he’s probably referring to and he could very well be talking about Mansfield’s article–which Mansfield had every right to write and which Adam has every right to disagree with, since Mansfield was certainly extrapolating a lot. It’s twitter, he’s got 140 characters or whatever and he’s not going to elaborate on which press outlets he’s talking about. I suppose he could be talking about some of your opinions as stated within this thread, but I doubt he’d actually read something like that. :) So, I don’t think this is referring to you.
I mean…you didn’t put words in his mouth. Others, including Mansfield (again, he had every right write the article, not saying he didn’t) did, by extrapolating or by actually misquoting. So, doesn’t it make more sense that he’s talking about people who did put words in his mouth rather than people who didn’t?
“Season 9 can’t come fast enough. lol. At least that’s the way I feel today.”
I bet you do. And we’ll still be hearing about Adam and Kris and the others because you are devoted to the AI experience and report on what previous contestants are up to. This is good. We like that about you. I love hearing about Daughtry and Kellie Pickler and Paris Bennett, some of my favorites from S5. Where else would I go to get this information all in one place? Kudos to you.
Adam just has to deal with the consequences of his unfiltered mouth from time to time. He’ll learn eventually to edit himself. Or not.
Thanks jms!
ETA: Yeah, the David Cook incident wasn’t as bad as I thought it was going to be.
YAY for spoilers! YAY for SYTYCD!
Was it last year that everyone made you so nuts with fanwarring that you threatened to shut down your blog? Did you hear the collective NOOOOOOOOO from all of us that are completely addicted to your site? :)
I agree. And Adam’s fans should get used to a little controversy now and then. Hell, look what David Cook had to go through when he posted that blog telling his scaries to go away. That got all kinds of media coverage and he got crucified for it, lol.
i think he means the USA today guy who stated that Adam does not love his fans and is unappreciative. if u read his twit he said i love my fans b/4 the putting words in my mouth part. the smelly part he owned by saying u smell like roses. that’s how i see the twit .ymmv of course.
Wow, another day and 20 pages later, and this thread is still rolling along.
While I think that the response to this is OTT, I’ll add to it anyway. LOL.
As a former migraine sufferer, I recall that Adam missed a M&G due to a very bad headache. Speaking for myself, when prone to migraines, one can be very sensitive to smells, and a smell can actually trigger a migraine. So, maybe Adam is particularly sensitive to odors, with justification. (And, maybe not. Who knows.) And, that might also in part be the need for the earplugs, since that loud screaming is intolerable if you have a bad headache. (And, Adam is quite likely concerned about protecting his hearing, of course.)
I was always most prone to migraines when run down, and getting overheated was never a good thing. Adam is exhausted, (as are Kris and Allison, who also don’t really get days off like the rest of the group.) And, if nothing else, I promise you that when I’m exhausted, I’m less tolerant than I usually am, and more easily bothered by things. I’m guessing that is true for many of us.
So, don’t toss me out in the sweaty, smelly crowds in the heat, with people screaming, grabbing at me, and making demands. You might need more than 20 pages to comment on what I might say. LOL. So, I can understand that some people might find that situation extremely difficult.
Of course, none of this might apply to Adam, but we don’t really know.
But, it does make for good entertainment.
Waiting for the new season to start, so I rarely post since this season ended. I do try to read some threads & watch some of the videos to see how the “Idols” are doing. It’s obvious, after reading this entire thread, their “fans” ain’t doin well, at all! :guns_tb:
What pattern? I don’t recall Adam ever saying anything like “please ignore those in the press who seek attention by trying to put words in my mouth.” before. But with three articles (not this blog) saying that ”
Also, I think that Adam’s comment was in response to the USAToday Idol Chatter column. Particularly seeing Brian mansfield’s lasted post.
With only 65 comments on Brian’s article about Adam’s “sweaty, smelly fans.” (Many about other topics.) It hardly seems to justify this Brian Mansfield Idol Blips blog:
I guess he meant it as a joke. Not too funny or clever to me.
Almost one thousand posts discussing one tiny phrase in one tiny interview? Wow.
Adam has a lot to learn. However, he did tweet that we smell like roses today. The boy has a sense of humor. He’ll be okay.
I see we’re going for 1000 comments here, so I’ll weigh in:
1. Adam’s comments were IMO a little too unfiltered, and certainly left an impression of being somewhat ungracious and ungrateful. It’s unfortunate, and it looks like he’s trying to backtrack with his latest tweets.
2. Does Adam look the kind of guy who enjoys hangin’ with sweaty smelly people? Um, no.
3. Adam’s every word is painstakingly evaluated and discussed, and he’s going to have to find the balance between his unfiltered honest self and good PR. It’s the price of fame. And he’s probably going to push the envelope a lot.
4. Adam is human, and he’s going to f* up sometimes and say/do dumb stuff.
5. Being an Adam fan is going to be a roller-coaster ride.
6. Adam’s job as an artist is to put out great music and entertain. Ultimately his success will depend on his ability to do just that. Otherwise he’ll fade into obscurity after his 15 minutes are up.
7. I firmly believe in his talent and see a great future for him. I’ll be there every step of the way.
8. I am not sweaty nor smelly.
Speaking as an Adam fan, I don’t care if words were put in his mouth or not. Either way, it was the truth, his fans smell and I highly doubt he appreciates it. People can get bent out of shape over it or not as they please. Something else will take the news cycle in a day or two. I just wish people would get upset over other types of things. Adam has done things to annoy me, but it’s never the sort of thing that seems to annoy everyone else. I never realized until MJ’s blog how different my perspective was from the “normal” fan pop culture. I put normal in quotes because I’m not convinced that this idol level of inspection is normal.
MJ…you didn’t put words in his mouth. He’s not saying he didn’t say it, he’s saying that some people put words in his mouth–probably meaning random bloggers and article writers and possibly others, including Mansfield (again, he had every right write the article, but it was definitely a lot of extrapolation) who did, by extrapolating or by actually misquoting. So, doesn’t it make more sense that he’s talking about people who did put words in his mouth rather than people who didn’t?
I mean, maybe he was referring to you among the other press outlets, but it seems strange to assume it like that when there doesn’t seem to be much reason to.
Also, I’m curious, what pattern do you see developing? If it’s a pattern of “Adam says something controversial, gets some positive and some negative attention” then yeah, but was it something else?
One’s preconcieved notion about a certain person affects one’s interpretation of a statement. I believe that Adam is owning that statement but with no intention of insulting anyone. If you get insulted, it’s because you want to hear his statement as insulting. But if you take his statement in the whole context, it’s really nothing but an honest assessment which most of his co-idols or anyone in the industry will not say. Of course, non-Adam fans will jump over it and make a big deal because they only have one purpose….put him down. Admit it or not, Adam is threatening to their favorite idol.
“I put normal in quotes because I’m not convinced that this idol level of inspection is normal.”
It’s not. We are a tiny percentage of the people who watch the show and go to the concerts.
Going for 1000 comments here…..
Personally, I hate the funereal smell of roses and think they stink! Perhaps a better choice of words would’ve been “fresh as a daisy”. Oh, Adam, when will you learn…….?
(And yes, I’m being facetious – can we get 1000 now??)
Pheromones?
I agree with this but was almost hesitant to say so.
MJ, I’ve always sensed an undercurrent of your dislike for Adam. That’s OK, everyone is entitled to their opinion and I do understand that this is your business and you must maintain an appearance of impartiality to keep things together.
I am hesitant to say so because I enjoy this place and at the same time do not want to allow myself to be part of anything that casts a dark shadow over Adam. I read all the posts in this thread last night and read the rest of them now. I have become sad rather than angry. It was the title of this thread that set the tone.
ETA: I need to give myself a time-out to cheer myself up. Maybe even get outside. Possibly the long lost gym that I have been paying for. See you later when I have a better perspective and can deal…
I think the theme song for this epic thread shoud be “Smelly Cat” by Phoebe Buffay. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1byGtdrNS4
I prefer round numbers.
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To Q3:
The pattern is: Adam says something “unfiltered” (ie: in his infamous tweets or his interviews), he is then in turn praised for his honesty or reviled for his lack of tact or “filter”. Always, there is an uproar, such as this almost 1000 comment thread, and the next day or hour, he then responds with: aw shucks, folks, don’t get your knickers in a twist, I didn’t mean it to be mean, I was just sayin….In other words, instead of standing by his statement, he spins it.
Now I am not critiquing him for this. I’m thinking he is completely over his head with this craziness and doing the best he can to survive intact. I really feel for him. But, if the rock star gig doesn’t work out, I’m sure there’s a place for him in politics. :wink_ee:
It will be “smelly fan” but having a problem getting it cleared by Phoebe Buffay.TPTB are working on it.
Only 10 more!!! Make that nine or less by the time I post. LOL.
ETA: I think I can log off in about 3…2…1. I just have to see the round #. (Making an eta isn’t helping me=fail, lol!)
While I wholeheartedly agree with the first part of your statement that insult depends upon a person’s current opinions and point of view (paraphrased), I’ve got to object to this. This is the crap that I felt as an Adam fan was coming at me earlier. You have no way of knowing why someone else holds the opinion they do and to assume it is because of a fan competition thing is a bit ridiculous.
The pattern of Adam saying something “unfiltered” the press reacting and then Adam chastising the press. As we’ve already seen from his tweets and his remarks to Clay Aiken and Gene Simmons, Adam reacts to things.
“Did Adam ever say ‘My fans stink’ ? Isn’t it obvious thst he was talking about SOME fans who are sometimes a little bit smelly?”
No. Hence his tweet towards the USA Today article, which totally took advantage of Adam’s unedited self. Which will continue to happen, unless he finds a mouth filter, which I think is unlikely because that is just not who he is.
Cate, you crack me up! Yes, I’m sure that a fair amount of the scent he is referring to is probably pheromones mixed with a good amount of body odor generated while dancing their asses off to his music. He’s got a lot of ladies very, very excited about him, whether they are his preference or not. From his interviews, he’s happy about it and not complaining about anyone, male or female finding him sexy and fun.
Oh, and the comment he made about how the tour is not his favorite part about all this? Why would it be? It’s grueling. 52 tour dates, all over the country in 2 1/2 months. They’re sleep deprived and expected to give interviews and look fresh and happy for fans and press even when they are exhausted. When was the last time any of these guys had a home cooked meal? They all look like they need one. He’s just being honest. We know he likes to perform and he has said that no matter how tired he is, when he gets up on that stage, he’s energized by the love the fans give him and he’s giving 110%. That’s all we can expect really. The rest is frosting on the cake.
I’m not getting this statement. Why are you shooting down the messenger?
What? When did he chastise the press for his remarks about Clay Aiken and Gene Simmons?? As far as I know, he only made comments about them when the press asked him about them.
Generalize much? LOL.
There are invested fans in every fan group who play the fan war game, not just non-Adam fans. See the discussion on charity work going on in the headlines thread right now. I said something that could be taken as critical of Adam’s charity work and several adam fans jumped in to dis Kris’s missionary work.
Pot kettle black and all that…
Okay, I weighed in way, way back on this thread; however, I must comment, again!
As an English teacher in college, I think the problem is the media has not recognized that the public has become sensitive to sensationalized headlines.
Adam: “Pittsburgh is gonna rock tonight! I LOVE MY FANS!! please ignore those in the press who seek attention by trying to put words in my mouth.”
MJ: “So, I post a link to the actual review, plus a transcript of his actual words, and I’m putting words in his mouth?
Own it, boy. lol.”
MJ, your opinion article was great, but the title is erroneous. There is the problem.
I have students who believe that the “headline” is the most important part of their paper. A teacher in grade school told them to always have a “catchy” title. Yes, the “attention getter” can add to an essay; however, a teacher will frown at a title or “headline” that is not indicative of the whole essay. News organizations have focused on sensationalized headlines, instead of accuracy in reporting, for years. MJ was very accurate in her reporting and even supported her essay with the radio audio. Well done! :clap_tb: However, the A went to an A- because the headline is inaccurate to the whole of the essay.
Own it, MJ. lol.
However, if MJ’s point was “to get everyone’s goat”—well, then, —she succeeded! (And, being that this is a blog, I’ll put money on MJ knowing what she was doing when she made the title!)
1000 :clap_tb: :drunk_tb: Smelly fan smelly fan see what your stink could do.Smelly fan smelly fan see what you did sweaty fan and touchy fan won’t even stand by you.Smelly fan smelly fan what could be next for you,could it be may be a shower or 2.
We just hit 1,000!!!
:drunk_tb: :clap_tb: :help_tb:
That’s what I was going to ask. I vividly remember the incidents but don’t recall any Adam backtracking on it.
Okay, note to self to stay out of that thread because that’s the only thing Adam has done recently to piss me off. lol
REREAD MY POST. I used those comments as examples of how Adam reacts to things.
I’m just wondering if, Adam keeps up with the “unfiltered” remarks, he’s going to call out the press everytime they criticize him for it.
still counting… until tonight, concert night! :clap_tb: :clap_tb:
1000 and apparently still going strong. Does anyone have a filter?
Damn, steve wins for the 1000th post!! I was soooo hoping I would be the lucky winner of MJ’s grand prize, an all-expenses paid trip to the NH concert, complete with front-row seats, courtesy dildo toss, and smelly post-show barricade action. Oh, steve, you luc.. er, smelly..dog…..
:guns_tb: :drunk_tb: :guns_tb: :drunk_tb: :jittery_tb: :smoke_tb: :thumbup_tb: So, I’ve hung in for the entire ride. Do we get a prize?
Uhm, if this is the only time that he’s called out the press, then it seems a bit early to be looking for a pattern. js
I’m writing a blog post, not a school essay. It was not meant to get peoples “goat” it was meant to get attention, to draw people into reading the post, like all news headlines.
I’m not going to apologize for, or change my headline.
Do i win back thread passes WAIT shit i justed remembered i have not showered today.
Help. Mjs has been infected with a Lambert “filterless” bug. Does anyone have an anti-virus that can cure this? McAfee, Norton somebody help.
Very nicely said, NewFan.
Steve, first, congrats for become the 1000th poster in this thread! LOL
Second, I’m an Adam fan, love him.. love him.. love him… have all his songs even ones in you tube. But he still is not a god in my eyes… don’t think any of Adam fans actually think that way, even the die-hard ones.
“REREAD MY POST. I used those comments as examples of how Adam reacts to things.
I’m just wondering if, Adam keeps up with the ‘unfiltered’ remarks, he’s going to call out the press everytime they criticize him for it.”
Or maybe he’ll just call out the press every time they blow up over comments made 10 days ago (old news) but got picked up and waved around on blogs to create new news on a slow day, because if Adam says it, it becomes newsworthy.
I note that Kris can call America ADD in an interview, and that’s met with a big ole’ pile of yawn. Didn’t even merit its own blog post on MJ’s. And Kris is the American Idol.
Strange, that.
Why shouldn’t Adam call out the media, like YOU, for twisting what he said into something ugly? if more celebrities actually acknowledged how the media MANIPULATES the public in an attempt to set their own agenda then perhaps the public would wise up and stop believing everythng that is fed to them.
You sensationalized SIX WORDS, said CLEARLY in jest, in your continued attempt to trash Adam. You’re the one with a pattern MJ, not Adam.
of course you’re not going to apologize or change your headline, you accomplished exactly what you wanted. You got HITS to your site and that’s how you make your MONEY isn’t it? How many hits would you have gotten if your headline was “Adam loves his fans, even the overzealous ones” not nearly as many as Adam thinks is fans are sweaty and smelly and touchy feely.
I’m just laughing that this comment has garnered over 1000 comments. That’s pretty amazing and IMO shows the power of Adam Lambert. Bet if any of the others had said something similar it would’ve barely registered and it certainly wouldn’t have gotten a headline.
I predicted it! 1000 ;) whee
You mean there are other threads? Hey, I think I’ll go check them out! Seriously, I haven’t even had time to read Headlines yet, which is usually the first thing I do when I come here. This thread has gotten so big that it has its own gravitational field, and it’s hard to pull away from it.
Clay and Simmons criticized him and then the press asked him about them. So why blame him?
I think it’s the first time the press have criticized him for his ‘unfiltered’ remark.
MJ: In regards to your defensive comment that you are not in school:
Adam: ‘Pittsburgh is gonna rock tonight! I LOVE MY FANS!! please ignore those in the press who seek attention by trying to put words in my mouth.’
If you read my whole reply in context, I acknowledged that I thought you did know what you were doing as a blogger. Come on, look at this great thread you have going!!! Unbelievable.
The gist of my comments is that Adam and the adamant (pun intended) fans are responding to the “attention getting” title.
Wow…y’all are claiming “the fifth”? Everyone is now naive and nobody realizes headlines are all about sparking your interest, sometimes your prurient interest, to get you to read the article & click on the appropriate link?
Where’s that Smiley where he hits his head over & over? That’s the one I want.
If you “don’t read the text or listen to the interview and only read the headlines” you want to blame someone because YOU didn’t do the work? Whew!
Over & Out. It’s a beautiful day in the neighborhood.
Wow, over 1000 posts ! Adam is honest to a fault ! One of the things I love about him.I’m surprised some brilliant advertising exec,hasn’t picked this up and run with it ! I see the making of an amazing body wash commercial. The mere mention of Adam’s name creates a huge buzz,think of all the people it would reach lol !
mj, I’ve been pretty much staying out of the discussion on your posting of the blog/headlines etc. because, well, I figured as a blogger them’s the licks you take when you run a blog. But, given that I’ve probably inadvertently added to some of your frustrations levels due to my addressing a couple of your statements (regarding Adam not the blog), I figure I should also do my part to stop you from alcoholism….so, just so you know, I don’t think you did anything wrong in posting this. People have the option of turning up and commenting or not, of taking offense or not, that is what a blog is. And by it’s nature a blog is opinion media and you have no responsibility to be objective in your posts or your headlines. Anyway, thank you for running this place, it’s always refreshing to come hear other points of view and to have a place to snark and discuss things and not have to be pro this idol or that idol.
MJ can i get some Security guards now please.I want to go post in the headlines thread but being the 1 (you know the 1000 poster) I don’t want to get mobbed by my sweaty-smelly (if you send me a pic i may let you touch)fans.Only throw bills like my girl allison says. :smile2_ee:
Over and out. Onto other threads, other news. There’s a show tonight! Yea!! See ya’ll there!!
As per MJ’s above statement, this is why I posted a link to this interview on my blog.
I often joke about Lambert hating his fans. No, I don’t think he hates ALL his fans, but I think he hates the overzealousness, in fact, you can pretty much see it from his reaction when the dildo hit his knee.
While he called his fans smelly and sweaty, I can see where some may take offense to this statement, but I think he was joking. (But I also think the “godly way” crap with Sarver & Gokey IS offensive, as no one would have thought anything had they just said “I love you man”.)
I also think, if you look at any of these “fan behavior” statements made by a lot of Idols, past & present, you will see they’re really just trying to curb such inappropriate behavior. (See Cook’s previous blog posts & the fact he stopped meeting fans after his shows on his current tour, several Kris Allen interviews and read MJ’s interview with Allison Iraheta from a few days ago if you need examples.)
After Idol, more so than otherwise, you’re really put in a precarious position. You have to struggle more for credibility because of your association with the show AND deal with the fact most of the viewing public will forget about you less than a week after the finale. So what do you do? You went on the show in the first place to jump start a music career and you’ve gained a lot of exposure but you’re also locked into a stringent contract with entities who will never favor ARTISTRY over THEIR design of what is suitable for mass consumption. You’re trying to record an album while also embarking on a tiring-as-all-hell cross-continental tour not long after an exhausting run in a fishbowl on a TV show, all while doing more press AND being tasked with “meeting your fans”. Because you have to “meet the fans” because that’s part of Idol’s package, because the public “put you there”. Plus, the M&G experiences are now what your most devoted viewers (i.e., the ones who actually go to the tour) expect. And because these people feel directly responsible for getting you to where you’re at, many feel you OWE THEM SOMETHING. They also think they KNOW YOU because you were in their homes via Fox 2x a week for 4 months.
So yeah, what do you do? You don’t want to lose fans before you release your album but you’re physically and mentally exhausted and hell, in all your dreams of being a music star, you probably didn’t picture inflatable kangaroos and women 2-3 times your age sticking their tongue down your throat while you’re trying to enjoy a dinner with family and friends. So naturally, you want to address the issues at hand but the only way you can do it is very gently through the occasional interview or via a blog or Twitter.
Sadly, when you do that, you are getting your message out there; however, none of the people who are responsible for this sort of behavior will EVER think you’re referring to them.
The Glamberts (Sorry! Lambert fans…however I do see this monkier becoming a misnomer for Lambert fans, just like Claymates and of course, the Fanilows.) do not understand the dildos and other nonsense, such as branding anyone who doesn’t agree with your thoughts on Lambert a HOMOPHOBE, are doing nothing but hurting Lambert in the long run. Not only will be become more resentful of his fan base, but others will be turned off by such actions. It’s more damaging to his long-term career than going on Idol in the first place. In my opinion, the intense focus and subsequent scrutiny of Lambert will probably do more to further the careers of Kris Allen and Allison Iraheta because they’ve allowed to go “under the radar” in certain respects.
And yeah, I already know this is long but I also feel the need to say Perez Hilton is a douchebag. And for how “nice” he is to Lambert on his blog, all he did was bitch at him for not publicly coming out during the Idol season. Lambert was never “in” and frankly, I’ve always seen his sexuality as a non-issue, just as I think he does. Perez sees himself as the gay messiah and believes when someone is gay, they need to make a public declaration and shout it from every rooftop and in every interview. Devout Christians shouldn’t think being gay is a sin, just as Perez Hilton shouldn’t expect who you’re attracted to as a critical factor in every single moment of your life. Gay, straight, bi…we’re all human. Frankly, I’ve always found that belief to be the one of the most endearing qualities of both Adam Lambert and Kris Allen.
luvnlife: Technically, you are correct.
Unfortunately, sensationalized headlines are usually inaccurate to the news piece and most people read like business people reading the Wall Street Journal (you can actually skim their headlines for accurate news). Unfortunately, the public is busy and news agencies have become tabloids and, thus, reporting news is almost a joke these days.
ON the Bright Side! MJ’s blog is opinion based and should be taken as such. I think someone mentioned USA today picked this sensationalism up as “factual news” and then, the newspaper industry wonders (and blames the internet, etc.) why their “business” is failing. Granted, there are a lot of factors, but one of them, IMO, is the over use of sensationalism.
What I am watching on the net is how many journalist have their own blogs and “mini-papers” and are, like MJ, very smart in protecting their jobs as the print industry fails.
Of course, as a journalistJust curious, is Perez also considered a journalist?
Anyhow, this article has received 1,022 comments so far! Negative or positive, Adam will always be THE subject, it doesn’t matter what the topic is about, because HE will always be the topic. :clap_tb:
Rock on Adam baby! :wub_tb:
MJ, I really don’t know you, but I feel like giving you a hug today. I know what you mean by feeling like your head is going to explode and you can’t wait for Season 9 to arrive sooner. Adam baby is a trouble maker. LOL. And you are so right, he does react to things. Sometimes I feel like he is a big kid who likes to talk back. He will learn his lessons, probably the hard way. Hopefully his music does kickass, or else he will be in a little bit of trouble.
I don’t like it when people try to kiss up to you, MJ, but today I feel like doing it myself, I really love you and this blog and I am one of the biggest Adam fans in the world.
“I note that Kris can call America ADD in an interview, and that’s met with a big ole’ pile of yawn. Didn’t even merit its own blog post on MJ’s. And Kris is the American Idol.
Strange, that.”
-Maybe it’s because a lot of people are more interested in Adam that’s why every move and everything he says is a big deal OR maybe because Adam have this bad boy image that everything he says is negative while Kris is an angel and whatever he says bad doesn’t mean anything. Again, one’s interpretation goes with one’s perception of that person.
We have our own favorites. And MJ or the internet bloggers or the press are no exception. They try to be unbiased as much as possible but you could tell who they are leaning to. One can say that I am a fan of his but still he is not my favorite. But still…I might be putting words in their mouth and I can be wrong.
Okay guys. I think MJ has been more than patient and we should wrap this up. If we were dumping on a poster other than MJ, she would have deleted those posts long ago. I didn’t like the headline, but I give her tons of credit for taking the heat. I think she should just close comments now (we got to 1,000!) and let this all cool down.
Again. I’m not running a fan site. It’s never been all puppies and roses around here and it never will. And I won’t pander to the dominant fan group. Guess I’m stubborn like that.
@steve:
Typical male, don’t say much, just put in your two cents when it pleases you, oh, yeah, and when it matters. Congrats!
I’m busy this afternoon, and I should be pretty sweaty, maybe even smelly by this evening, it’s already in the ’90’s. Maybe I could be your fan? :wub_tb:
Lol, this is all so very hilarious.
Mark my words, the most impact Adam’s words will have months from now is that his fans, or those who remember, will be far more careful of their hygienic conditions near him. I will bet you this, he benefits in the end!
Could you imagine someone like Justin Timberlake or LadyGaga saying this? They might be dying to at times but they wouldn’t dare on record. Hahaha.
Sure i love all my fans even the OTT fans.
And you shouldn’t pander to the dominant fan group. No, you are not stubborn. The headline is fine. I find myself agreeing with you more and more. I think Adam is stubborn sometimes. I wish as fans we can stop defending his every action and word. It’s ok for him to make mistake once in a while and it’s ok for people to criticize him.
Do you mean like politicians do? lol maybe he is taking lessons from Sarah palin then.
Did I miss something? Did someone other than blogs criticize Adam for his remark?
…which would explain his facial expression while doing Wolfie’s eye liner for him.
OTT? You know it, that’s me all right!
You can be sure… if I’m sweaty & smelly, I’m not thinking about me, I’m thinking about…….. other things…. (like…like….I don’t know, just…touching you or something, ya know?) Maybe you could pretend you’re Adam & I could pretend I’m your love interest, if only for a brief moment…?(Just long enough for me to scream my undying adoration in your ear while my funky breath overwhelms you I could then rub my sweaty palms across your clothing and tweet to all my friends about it.) Wouldn’t that be fun?
Hey, luvnlife (shoving her hard and knocking down 3 little kids), that’s what I want to do!
Do i get a check the same size as adam’s for 1 tour show?If so ok tell me where and when. :smirk2_ee:
Write what you want; it’s your blog. I’m an Adam Lambert fan, but enjoy all the S8 contestants and really liked the entire Charlotte concert. But there are plenty of sites that are super snarky, and I avoid them. If you choose to go that route, I’ll just move on.
Cate….
with much respect, (bleeech!!!), steve is mine. I was here first! I’m raising my arms right now, …don’t mess w/a steve fan! And those three kids you’ve knocked down, forget about it, they were once full grown adults, shrunk & dehydrated from waiting in the sun all afternoon! Here goes, I’m raising my arms & opening my mouth….! Take a whiff of this!!
I think Adam’s twitter remark on twitter was good: “adamlambert -Pittsburgh is gonna rock tonight! I LOVE MY FANS!! please ignore those in the press who seek attention by trying to put words in my mouth.”
Adam is right. When you are in the public eye, some people will put words in your mouth and twist things around to fit their agenda. I saw reports yesterday saying that Brad Pitt said Tom Cruise’s new movie sucked, and he had to put out a statement saying that wasn’t true, that his words were twisted around. Its just part of the game and lifestyle Adam is in now. In the end, it doesn’t really matter. Life goes on. Adam should feel honored that people are taking times out of their lives to blog and comment on him. lol
As far as the discussion on his charity work, anytime you are helping someone else it is a good thing. There is nothing bad about that. The American Dictionary defines charity as: Provision of help or relief to the poor; almsgiving. So yes, Adam is doing charity work, along with many of the other idols and citizens of this country. One way is no better than another. some people have more means, but the end result is the same.
On another note, I notice adam’s twitter account followers keep growing (152,572). Hopefully for him each person will buy at least 1 of his CD’s when it drops. lol
Since I listened to the interview I understood he did not mean to be mean. So, he is standing to his statament. I did not get mislead by the “That might be crossing the line’ ¦” comment. Others did, though.
Actually I’m am in awe of Adam – from the moment he performed on the AI stage hubby & I said..What? What has AI done now – brought this overly-talented, Ott performer (for AI norms) to American TV? He is going to cause quite a stir!!! Hah……….that was an understatement! Well over 1,000 hits today on this thread alone!
Quite a stir indeed, for this alone, I am in awe and feel he has earned saying whatever he chooses, even if some may feel it wasn’t politically correct.
I agree with many here today let’s bring on the party & keep this baby going until concert time!!
:drunk_tb:
WOW steve-mates who would of thunk it.Luvnlife what a great funny post love it. :clap_tb: :drunk_tb:
I’ll drink to that!!
I just logged into my twitter account and say this from Rickey: Yay! RT @adamlambert: You smell… Like roses!!!! :)
hahaha. I just realized he didn’t blog a post on this topic. lol
Damn it, luvnlife! You need Right Guard, not a security guard. OMG. Worse than kangaroo sweat, I swear. I think Steve will be deleting his post now. :devil_tb:
Uh oh, does that mean he’s going to quit the tour now? :lol_ee:
HA HA HA Oh YES HE DID lol
http://www.rickey.org/?p=21489#respond
Nice headline, Rickey!
See how sought after you are MJ………
Shame on you Rickey! :thumbdown_tb:
This is the first time he had to say something. What other times did he do this? Spinning isn’t the same as defending what he said about loving his fans when a journalist is saying he doesn’t.
In the 8/11/09 interview, Adam said something that he felt he needed to explain. I think he was right to try and reframe it, because it was a thoughtless thing to say — plus there were 2 articles where Adam’s statement was mangled (Not this blog.) and Brian Mansfield had posted the second blog entry with the reference to Adam fans.
This is a really different situation than Clay or Gene Simmons. Can’t find that Adam chastised the press in either of these situations. Or any other time — although he has corrected some of the unsubstantiatied gossip, like the Twillight rumor.
In the specific cases of Clay and Gene Simmons, the press overwhelmingly supported Adam. Adam didn’t need to chastise the press.
Adam commented on Clay’s criticism of him, but didn’t say anything out-of-line and never tried to reframe his statement. Clay is the one who tried to reframe his original blog entry.
5/21/09 Clay Aiken blogs about Adam
5/22/09 Numerous press and blog pieces on Clay’s comments, many very critical of Clay.
5/23/09 Clay semi-apoligizes for his Adam comment.
5/28/09 Adam responds to a direct question about it in an Access Hollywood interview ‘If he wants to ride my coattails about it, good for him,’ Adam told Access, giving Clay the thumbs up sign.
Similarly with the Gene Simmons response, I can’t find that Adam tried to reframe his comment about Gene Simmons either. But Gene Simmons made at least 4 different comments about Adam.
5/22/09 – Referring to Adam: ‘He can come on tour whenever he’d like,” says KISS frontman Gene Simmons.
5/22/09 – In response to Gene’s invitation, Adam answered, “That would be amazing … I would love that.” He added, “That’d be such an honor. I had so much fun. To perform with KISS, I would love that. What a wonderful compliment. Thank you, Gene. That was very, very nice of him.”
5/22/09 – On his Website and attributed to Gene: “Respectfully,
I don’t think Adam is a rock singer. He sounds much more convincing singing ballads, and Broadway shows. His voice doesn’t seem to have a “rock quality.” But, I’m sure he’s going to do just fine.”
5/28/09 – Adam in response to Michael Slezak interview questions about Gene Simmons not thinking Adam was a “rock singer’: ‘Did you hear Gene Simmons sing? (laugh)’
6/11/09 – Gene Simmons in Fox interview: Adam Lambert “should shut up about his sexual preferences”
6/29/09 – Gene Simmons: ‘Adam Lambert Killed His Career By Coming Out’
6/30/09 – Gene Simmons explains his 6/29/09 comment:
‘I don’t think I’ve been talking smack at all. In fact, if anything, I’ve been soft-peddling. He’s enormously talented, best talent ‘American Idol’ has had, but I think he killed his career because now the conversation is not about his talent but about his sexual preference. He’s done. ,,, “
Setting aside the story Adam told about Gene being worried about Adam falling over in his platform boots in the Idol finale, I can’t find any other comments Adam has made about Gene.
There are no Adam tweets on either the Clay or Gene Simmons comments.
Not just you, jms. Like I said, some of the comments here have made me feel like I landed in Opposite World. People who dissect and scrutinize every little damn thing an Idol does, saying that he should watch this, watch that, etc. are playing amateur PR just like those Legendary “Claymates” and “Soul Patrol” did. Same coin, other side. I am not talking about fandom reaction to the comment like “oh, I don’t smell” or “Oh, I’m disappointed” but those who talk about his management, his etc. If he learns a lesson PR-wise, he learns, but what is to a fan of his or AI whether he gets a PR smacking? What does it matter if he follows the idol-by-numbers expectations? It’s bizarre.
AI is a very, weird insular place. Learning experience for me too, I guess.
WTF-get it right its “over 1000 comments(steve being the 1000 poster)thread” and where were my steve-mates to defend me on that post.I hope not taking a shower. :smile2_ee:
Wow, this is still going, huh? I’m getting in my comfy clothes and starting where I left off around page 12! :drunk_tb: Good times, until tonight’s concert thread!
My two cents, re: Adam’s tweet and previous remarks (Gene Simmons etc…) don’t we all defend ourselves when we feel that we’ve been taken out of context or misunderstood?? It’s human nature. I mean look at the back and forth on this thread alone and that includes mj’s own replies/rebuttals. Some could be interpreted as a little defensive. Personally, I’m glad Adam addresses things instead of ignoring them. That alone shows me he cares what people think and wants to set the record straight (in 140 words or less!) Maybe the explanation is less than satisfying to some but *shrugs*. And of course, it gives us all more to talk about!
Steve, Cate, it has been great fun to come back & find not only were my posts accepted but you both got into the spirit of it all. Cate, you were the catalyst for me to continue. I’m your cyberfan. That’s us…….no funk, lotsa spunk.
I apologize for running off, but really. I thought mj would have deleted my OTT posts so I left hurriedly, kinda beating myself up for being silly. Thanks mj, for allowing our playtime. As I said before, I don’t often post, but I’ll be following what you both say. Been great fun, but I must go…..it’s time for my bath :wink_ee:
I personally think that Adam either needs to learn how to take a punch or he needs to gain a filter. The comments and the reaction to them remind me of people who complain about society being too PC. It’s not about being politically correct, it’s about wanting to say whatever the hell they want to without any consequences.
And that, in my opinion, is some plain old triflin’ delusional bs.
Adam cannot have it both ways.
Again. I’m not running a fan site. It’s never been all puppies and roses around here and it never will. And I won’t pander to the dominant fan group. Guess I’m stubborn like that.
Neh, MJ. It’s not being stubborn; it’s just using the fine word to describe your very much transparent intention to make a nasty comment about the Idol you obviously don’t like and in some way to “justify” it. This whole thread, because of the tone you set, has turned to a tabloid. And what mostly got to me that you try so hard to keep it clean and fun (thank you!!!), and then ‘“ contaminate it just for kicks. So, pleeease ‘“ if it is what it is, “just own it, girl”. I give you props though for creating something from really nothing. You are an excellent blogger, even if I pissed right now with the way things progressed in this thread. This thread is a low point of the season, so to speak. And not because of its existence (you can put here whatever you want ‘“ after all, although being a commercial venture, it is YOUR blog, as you’ve clarified quite a few times), but because it was just nasty for really no reason at all, except for you not liking him. You may not like the guy (and he’s totally not perfect or anything), but while milking the Adam-cash cow, give him some respect or at least don’t pick on him like a child. Being stubborn has nothing to do with it. :thumbdown_tb:
I’m going to assume that this is absolutely no different from any other season…..
“So, I post a link to the actual review, plus a transcript of his actual words, and I’m putting words in his mouth?”
These words did in fact come out of his mouth. In print you are telling the truth – but I think that it reads wrong, unless you hear the interview and hear him chuckle. IMHO I think a lot of the posters on here by-passed the actual interview.
Really peeps…. you’re not sheep. Sad to think that people are that impressionable. The audio and transcript were there for reviewing so that you could form your own opinion.
ETA:
I’m a newbie and feel that way a lot. It’s not just the old-timers. The slightest criticism of Adam brings out claws – and Adam was even my second favorite of S8.
I think the big difference between the “ADD” comment and the “smelly” comment is that Kris was making a general comment about society (namely that if he doesn’t act on his momentum now, Americans will move on to something else) rather than a comment about particular people.
Adam’s comments are geared toward people in particular. I don’t think they were a huge deal personally, and really, he’s well within his rights to complain, but I can see why it would upset more people than Kris’s comment.
Personally, since seeing and watching Lambert on Idol, I think he has been/is game playing. He seems to have bought into his own hype. The guy just eekks me out totally. I doubt seriously that most American men will be interested or middle America…will be interesting how this all plays out…but I do think he needs to quit buying into the hype surrounding him…..
Neh, MJ. It's not being stubborn; it's just using the fine word to describe your very much transparent intention to make a nasty comment about the Idol you obviously don't like and in some way to 'justify' it. This whole thread, because of the tone you set, has turned to a tabloid. And what mostly got to me that you try so hard to keep it clean and fun (thank you!!!), and then '“ contaminate it just for kicks. So, pleeease '“ if it is what it is, 'just own it, girl' . I give you props though for creating something from really nothing. You are an excellent blogger, even if I pissed right now with the way things progressed in this thread. This thread is a low point of the season, so to speak. And not because of its existence (you can put here whatever you want '“ after all, although being a commercial venture, it is YOUR blog, as you've clarified quite a few times), but because it was just nasty for really no reason at all, except for you not liking him. You may not like the guy (and he's totally not perfect or anything), but while milking the Adam-cash cow, give him some respect or at least don't pick on him like a child. Being stubborn has nothing to do with it.Best post of the day.
That thread i could only read a little bit.So much fighting,they are getting all sweaty-smelly is only a matter of time.
This thread is all fun and loving because in the end it doesn’t matter what gets wrote here.The music is what will matter and can cure all. :grin2_ee:
Calliope I agree with your post @ 4:28 in general. Since I’ve joined this blog I’ve had many a conversation with my spouse about this. We are amazed at learning all the fan weirdness that transpires with American Idol. For eight years we had absolutely no idea it was ever happening! NONE
For my husband’s entire adult life he’s followed his favorite musicians and loved them all, but once the concert was over, well you know, it was over. We are talking some big time rock stars too!
It must be the t.v. & the voting business that turns it into bizarre, we still can’t seem to figure it out tho! :unsure_tb:
@ shark:
You’re aptly named, aren’t you? Possibly you’re not aware that there are many other fish in the sea. Some of us actually dine on shark, I’m sure mj’s had a taste or two throughout her blogging career.
Had my first taste at a fine restaurant in Seaport Village, San Diego. Why was it fine? Because shark was on the menu!
I also found this excellent shop that sharpens blades or all sorts. Since you have an axe to grind, you may want to avail yourself of their service. Your blade seems exceedingly dull.
@steve & cate: yes, I’m still in the bath! (Dreamin’ about you, steve!)
:smile1_ee:
In that dream did you cook us a “blacktip shark steak” for dinner. :smile2_ee:
Steve-
I’m so with you. All we need is a killer album, so we can focus on what really matters – MUSIC. And right now ‘“ I don’t care if it’ll come from plaid-guy, glam-boy or wella-girl. Just something to put us out of our collective misery.
@shark and LucyN
Oh geez. Is it ok to call these two glamberts? It’s called an opinion, deal with it.
:clap_tb:
November is very far away — and I will settle for one really good album — it doesn’t even need to be killer — from any of the three.
MrsB It is pretty amazing isn’t it. In all seriousness, I think AI fandom would make a great study for a doctorate student. The sociological and psychological reasons for all this I’m sure would be fascinating.
I too, have been a music fan all my life, and have not ever seen anything like this with any band outside the teeny bopper bands, but that kind of behavior is expected of young kids.
I had no idea about the various fandoms either until last year. Had no idea all this was going on.
MrsB, I think that is partially it. I’ve been involved in fan boards since I was very young and as a teen, when you went online (which was slow as can be) you either found porn or a music forum. I went for the latter. It gets intense, but it’s completely different from here. Going to multiple shows, getting tattoos related to your favorite artist, discussing variations in sets were the norm. Here, that is considered weird, where clinging to every word someone says, projecting their future on previous formulas and expecting an autograph seem to be the norm.
Both, I would say, are intense forms of behavior, but the way both things at looked are so different in non-AI world.
And I genuinely don’t think that BSC fans really affect an Idol’s career to the extent people think it matters here. When I saw Taylor Hicks I didn’t think he would go anywhere, but not because of his fans. I didn’t even know much about them. Like I said, I casually watched it before, so I knew of these people, but not the whole incestuous Idolsphere shenanigans. It is, like, the opposite of the normal music world. I can tell you as someone who knew who Kelly was, Clay, Carrie, Daughtry, etc.. I knew jackshit about their fanbase in the greater landscape of pop culture. It only matters to AI fandom because AI fans are so obsessed with the control they have over the Idol’s careers. Goes many ways though, really. It’s why Idols sink and swim based on their post-Idol work, not Idol stuff.
It’s definitely fascinating, it’s own sub-culture of pop culture, which is really involved in itself from IDF to VFTW. I’m still not quite sure what it all means though.
@steve….I did babe’s. Basted it in kangaroo sweat, yummmm!
All we need now is a sharp object to cut it with…..anyone have an axe?
yes Steve, you are so right. This is actually a fun thread, despite the grief MJ is taking, and that other is getting all kinds of nasty, sweaty, and smelly.
mmmmm luvnlife, you do smell good.
Hope tonight’s concert thread is as lol-worthy.
Surely you are not suggesting MJ is trying to turn Adam’s fans into the equivalent of Claymates?? She doesn’t HAVE to like Adam.
Good grief, this is getting totally out of hand. While I don’t think it read right (and thus caused this thread to explode), I can totally take it when someone is critical of Adam – the fugly photo thread was hilarious, and to tell you the truth, I love unfiltered Adam, I have NO interest in the goodly (yes, “goodly”) idols. They bore me to tears. All season long, I knew that we were in for a few surprises when it was over and that we would see something a little different on the other side. He is exactly what I was hoping for.
ETA: my “something a little different comment above”?? Just stepped outside of here for a moment only to see the Adam/Drake twitter exchange. How VERY un-Idol like. That’s what I am lovin’
Actually, at one time, shortly after Kris won AI, I thought I read that MJ wanted Adam to win (over Kris)…. Now, does that mean she “likes” Adam or just that she thought he was more deserving of the win? (I suppose it is possible to want someone to win but not actually like that person’s personality.)
Also, I have no clue as to what MJ thinks of Adam NOW…
@shark:
I’m not at all miserable, so count me out of “our collective misery”.
It is my joy and pleasure to watch the Idols develop into the artist’s they want to be. A true artist won’t let a little speed bump like “unfiltered” conversations or snarky journalists stop them. Besides, their fans wouldn’t allow it.
I’m enjoying the music now, as I relax in my bath, thinking of my guy, steve and smelling the wonderful aroma of shark basted in kangaroo sweat. Try it, you might like it. :tongue_wink_ee:
It’s really not a matter of reading this right. This thread took on a life of its own awhile ago and kind of went meta, many different sentiments that have been stirring finally boiled over from people wanting to mock Adam fans, fans wanting to have a go at Adam, fans wanting to have a go at MJ, and fans getting kind of confused by the whole AI process and fed up with that side of fandom (I admit, I fall into that).
LMAO..thank you for this.
It’s one thing to say something in what sounded like a light-hearted way, but to have it in print puts a whole new spin on a quote. I love Adam but he deserves a little rake over the coals for a rather thoughtless remark. It shows his age. People under 30 still have some maturing to do. For most people, the 20s are a time of discovery – finding that career and/or settling into that long term relationship. Why is Adam really any different? What sets him apart now is his newfound fame. He sang about the cost of fame himself in his own Pop Goes the Camera: “Fascination, saturation, stars are just like us, validation, exploitation, all cause a big fuss.” There is a big fuss right now over his remarks and rightly so, but this too shall pass. He should use it as a learning experience and grow from it.
This is totally my view on this thread and I’ve been guilty of it myself. It seems with this thread all baiting, fanwarring and attacking fellow posters guidelines were thrown out the window.
As far as this??? They did deal with it in their posts. Just liked you dealt with their posts in yours and I’m dealing with your opinion in mine. Isn’t that what we’re all doing here?
Thank you Calliope @5:05 – Your comments put things into a better perspective regarding overzealous fans. I was actually relieved to hear your opinion that in the ‘real’ music world outside of AI fandom their success will be measured by their music & not what is opined online. WHEW!
Dont be puttin words in Adam’s mouth yall. He says ya smell like roses. :) All is good in da world.
Actually, a lot of these posts would be deleted per the guidelines. BUT, because mj became a blogger/poster in this thread, she’s in an awkward position. If she deletes posts directed at (bashing) her, she’ll get even more grief. So now she just let us all run with it. Thanks for being such a good sport, mj.
I’m going to disagree (sort of) and say immaturity knows no age limit. A large contingent of the BSC fans are well over 30, then of course we could get into BSC politicans, who are generally over 30, and then we have your everyday over 30 person who still acts like they are in middleschool. But I do agree with the rest of your quote, particularly the “this too shall pass.”
This thread is like a Halloween movie. It just won’t die.
@ cate: Thanks for the compliment. You should recognize my scent: a mixture of dirty bathwater from my sweaty, smelly body as i lay in the tub and fantasized about how I’m (not you!) the number one fan of Adam….i mean steve, STEVE…. and the wonderful dinner I’m preparing for us of blacktip shark basted in kangaroo sweat. It’s cooking on the barby as we speak.
I just call it “Fan Aromatherapy”. And…I don’t understand what all the fuss is about on this thread today. I’m wearing the same scent most people wear after staying out in the hot sun hoping to see steve after working all day.
Somewhere MJ is smirking and saying CACHING!!!! $$$$$$$$$
Wow @ over 1000 comments. Job well done, MJ. Well done.
“This thread is like a Halloween movie. It just won’t die.”
But, it is funnier.
This is my first year on the AI blogs, and it’s a fascinating, very different world. And, it makes me glad that I’m not famous. Or stalking the Idols for their autographs. I wonder how much of this part of the AI experience people like Adam, Kris, and Danny knew about before they auditioned for the show?
If we get to 2,000 comments here, I plan on “celebrating” with a nice donation to Adam’s charity of choice.
HB @5:00 AI Fandom would be a good thesis for a grad student……..why don’t you take a stab at it, write up a paper and submit to this blog??!!??
MJ would probably allow, Adam would love it, and just think of the comments it would provide!! :smile1_tb:
It got absolutely ridiculous. And adorable. Where I’m coming from it called “the cucumber season”. It means – when you don’t have any worthy news at all, you keep digging, just to come up with something to make a conversation/news/title. This thread is a perfect example. MJ ‘“ this is your punishment for a REALLY slow news days. And as for Adam (for me at least) ‘“ talent and controversy, this is a star material. So, it’s all good. :thumbup_tb:
And on a totally different note ‘“ have you read stuff on The Spoof.com about Adam? Seriously, these guys are absolutely hilarious. It is sharp, snarky and funny – WHOLE LOTTA FUN. Good laugh guaranteed!
shark Yesssssss – I’m all about fun, besides some of us have a goal to keep this baby running until concert time and it’s getting close!!
Thanks MJ for allowing this to roll! :smile1_tb:
Those were legitimate stories to pick up though. The press isn’t picking up this story with Adam. Only blogs are, which proves to me its a non-issue. Just something for people to talk about until something more newsworthy comes along.
I remember when Destiny’s Child was getting a lot of scrutiny when the last 2 members left and Michelle Williams joined. Beyonce said in an interview that what the group needed and finally got was some controversy!! I say this because the press loves Adam. there is hardly any negative article about him. Most of the negativity comes from blogs…. I don’t think that will have the same effect.
My opinion has always been that Kris, Adam, and Allison all could be successful or flop. Kris needs to not “go under the radar” so much that people don’t realize he’s even there…. Allison has a connection problem, which is why she was always in the bottom 3 or 2, and Adam is entering a genre of music dominated by women.
A line in an interview that a few blogs decide to examine to get hits on a website isn’t going to make or break any of these contestants careers.
Refreshing myself with a bath, my mind drifted off, to our 1,000 poster, steve. He’s probably preparing himself for our encounter this evening, I’m his number one fan!
Also thinking about Adam. The way he’s been studied, as if…. he’s an insect. Like you’d study an ant through a magnifying glass when you were a kid! We’re all discussing him, looking at him, studying his every move, dissecting his every word, and the magnifying lens makes him appear bigger, larger, shinier than your average ant.
Thousands of eyes studying him, as through a magnifying glass. Those eyes have the light of the world in them and they’re very hot, very unforgiving.
Oh no, an ant, a magnifying glass….heat!
Poor Adam.
Oh come one now…. you know as soon as an album comes out, instead of focusing on and discussing the music, the topic of conversation will be Kris’s plaid shirt, Adam’s hair and/or makeup, and Allison’s hair color. lol We are too shallow to talk about anything else!
Wait a minute. Is that his passive-aggressive way to insult all his fans named Rose?
Uh oh….. I feel another 1,000 posts coming on!!!
I can smell it!
Nah. Thats just luvnlife.
Adam will get used to it.
You’re a good writer… I can feel the ant’s pain right now. :cry_tb:
No, it’s his passive aggressive way to insult all of his fans who wear rose scented perfume.
:smile2_ee: Just got back from my barricade signing.Love my fans they had toasting molded marshmallows over a (polluted river wood) fire.Sweaty Sassafras tea and did 1 shooter called snark and shark.Concert soon but love you all even the haters :smirk2_ee:
Steve, would you mind twittering what Adam and Kris are doing at every moment of the day? If it’s not too much trouble. If you do, I’ll be your fan!!!!
Just got back from a bite to eat – don’t have time for a bath like luvnlife – so I am totally smelly!!! :thumbup_tb:
I see the party is still on!! Yowza we are going to make it (almost time for the concert)………………I’m so excited!
Getting pretty obvious how dull my REAL life is, huh? :rolleyes_tb:
@steve & cate:
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LOL, snark & shark….most enjoyable!
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You both deserve my fan wave. steve……. as your OTT fan I’m assuming the position….arms over my head and allowing my scent to waft your way! Quick, let me touch you! i want to leave a lasting impression.
Holly toledo just thought of somethin……I’ve spent so much time on this thread today, do you think my Kris buds online will ever speak to me again??
I sure hope so or else I’ll be devastated. :sad_tb:
Gee, it’s been almost 20 hours since the last time I posted in this thread. How time does fly. After 1100 comments, the amazing thing is I haven’t changed my mind about my initial reaction to the interview (it didn’t bother me in the slightest), still think there are to many fans that really do think they are entitled, and still dislike the OTT Adam fans that make life miserable for the rest of us when they call out any and all negative vibes towards their BB.
I’ll add my thanks to MJ for running such a great blog site and thank her for finding interesting things for us to comment on. And I like some titilation, so bring on the snarky headlines…it gets many of our latent writing juices flowing.
And I like to remember the advise someone gave me once when I felt a thread was getting out of hand and I couldn’t deal….turn off the computer, take a walk, and when you come back skip over the threads and comments that take you to a dark place you don’t want to be.
Oh, and thanks Mr. Lambert. Your lack of filter, and your non PC comments, and your ability to create attention is superb and keeps me from being bored. I don’t do well with vanilla.
Nothing wrong with it. the point is Adam’s fans have spent the whole day here defending him b/cos nonfans have equally spent the whole day here attacking him. but whatever.
And Adam can have it any way he wants refreshingly honest or words in his mouth. it’s his call.
A few more shooters and you can throw your underwear :drunk_tb:
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!! :lol_tb: :lol_tb:
So I stopped on page 15 this morning, what have i missed? :mrgreen_wp:
Stop it, now!Please!!! Concert coming up!
USA Today didn’t do an article about this. Brian Mansfield wrote on his blog. So again, only blogs have carried this story. I just watched Saturday night extra, and no this was not mentioned. They were more interested in McSteamy’s nude video with his wife and some ex model. Now THAT is controversy. lol
“And I like to remember the advise someone gave me once when I felt a thread was getting out of hand and I couldn’t deal’ ¦.turn off the computer, take a walk, and when you come back skip over the threads and comments that take you to a dark place you don’t want to be.”
THIS Thank you Tess – from now on I am going to do my best to follow this advice & not get trapped into putting my foot in it! I’m still in the learning phase and I need all sorts of advice so I won’t turn my back on this blog with frustration over my missteps! :smile1_tb:
Yay 1000 posts!!! I think it’s time 4 a twitter party Adam( hint,hint )!!!!!!!!!!
i really don’t get the butthurt over the “smelly” comment…the tech @ my dialysis center sometimes is really smelly…he’s still one of my favorite tech’s…during the days he’s not smelling like roses i hold my breathe (while he puts me on the dialysis machine) but it doesn’t change how i feel about him… can i request another tech… yes i can… do i… no! he’s just having a bad B.O. day much like my bad hair day… he says nothing about my hair…i’m happy to see him funk & all.
Adam says he loves his fan…all of them… just as i luh my tech smellly days and all it’s unconditional!
AGREE.
Ok, so now Adam is employing the old “the best defense is a good offense” tactic. How pathetic.
He must think us stupid, stupid, stupid.
‘Course, what do we know anyway? Perhaps it was our ears that did deceive us. Yes, that’s the ticket.
And just how is that HER fault? MJ likely assumes that we are all literate adults and will do our due diligence.
Well, if they don’t, Mrs. B, that would just stink!
OMG this thread is epic! 23 pages of Adam! good job!
Man, Adam is one funny dude. I relish that Adam is so popular that he attracts so many haters. Hello haters!! Keep churning this thread! This Glambert is waving at you!!
Have a nice day. (And continue setting that thread count record.)
“Oh no, an ant, a magnifying glass’ ¦.heat! Poor Adam. ”
Wait, are we talking about Adam Ant right now? Is he still around?
“Don’t drink, don’t smoke, what do you do?” Ah, Goody Two Shoes….
You’ll also be too busy fan warring over the numbers to care about the music.
shark, I think you have overpersonalized MJ’s approach in running the blog. Think of her more as a referee in a soccer game who throws the ball into play. The ref knows that the ball is going to get kicked up and down the field, but the ref doesn’t hate the ball. You only really notice the ref much when it’s your favorite ball that’s getting kicked around the field. But other kids get kicked into play often enough, you can trust me on that one. That’s how the game is played. I don’t know how familiar you are with other sites, but this one is one of the few that is not allowed to wallow around endlessly at the bottom of the bell curve, in a manner of speaking. I think you are relatively new (not sure) but perhaps you will find more to appreciate over time.
Awww… I hope not. I hope they aren’t released in the same week :(
Does anyone remember a dual interview Adam did with Megan where they were asked questions about one another? I found Megan’s answer odd at the time, but when she was asked, something to the effect, what Adam liked, her answer was “clean clothes.” It’s possible that he’s just extraordinarily immaculate (have a child like that). In this vein, apparently he’s very aware of scents (try his perfume – Dior Homme – it’s luscious).
Some of the fans are sweaty, smelly, and too grabby. I heard the interview and he did say those things, while giggling and averring that he owes so much to his fans. And where would he keep a four foot inflatable kangaroo on a bus? I’ve seen fan photos where the fan has a deathgrip on Adam and thought to myself “yikes he has to put up with alot”.
I love his talent and watch every video about him and read lots of blogs about him – but I would never want to impose myself on him, grab him, or shriek in his face. If anyone is “upset at Adam’s disrespect to his fans”, please remember that respect goes both ways.
Years ago I saw Keanu Reeves in an airport (when Matrix first came out). I was a big fan. I smiled at him and he smiled back. We were close enough to touch. I simply said that I enjoyed his work and loved the film Little Buddha. He was very pleased and sweet, thanked me and asked my name. We wished each other a safe trip. How awful it would have been for him if I began screaming and grabbing at him.
I know the situation is very different at a meet and greet or event – but no one wants to be mauled or made uncomfortable. Really, can’t we just cut him some slack?
Ok, I have tried on several sittings to read all of the comments in this thread and since it just keeps growing and growing I may have missed it but I have not seen anyone point out that what Adam was responding to when he tweeted that the media are putting words in his mouth is a link his friend Cassidy Haley posted on twitter that said Adam said his fans “stink”.
There is a difference in the sound of and interpretation of “stink” and “smelly” and I can see why Adam took exception to it and then posted the “You smell…like roses” tweet. He did not deny that he said “smelly” and his tweet was an acceptance of it and a “let’s make up and keep loving each other” post to any of his fans who were offended by his words. I love the fact that he cared enough to address his fans in a fun way instead of being defensive.
MJ, thx for responding to my post. However, it seems as if you did not take into consideration my second paragraph before you responded. I never acted like you were running a fan site. I actually gave recognition that this was your site and your business venture. I found it unnecessary that you had to use such a tone as the header of this thread. I have only lurked and posted for one season here. Yet that was enough to see that this tread was an anomaly from the others. At the expense of Adam. It is a disappointment.
Oh well, there’s a new show tonight to wash it all away. Onward. My few hours away from the computer did me well.
True dat.
So what will happen if Lambert’s debut doesn’t outsell “Thriller”?
What topidol?! Adam’s not going to have the album if the century????!!!!!!! LOL
ok – I’ve been following this thing on and off since it first started yesterday. You all do realize that you’re the show that everyone else is watching from the lawnchairs, don’t you? I’ve had to refill the popcorn so many times, I’m getting sick of it. And thank God this started on a Friday, considering the number of drinks it takes to get through something this long! :drunk_tb:
MJ, thank you for a wonderful site where people can find out what’s going on with ALL the idols. It’s your blog, and you can post whatever the heck headlines you want. I just found the site this year, but I’ll definitely be sticking around.
Btw topidol I love ur blog
Nothing will happen. Who said that his album will outsell ‘Thriller’ anyway?
“So what will happen if Lambert’s debut doesn’t outsell ‘Thriller’ ?”
HERESY!!!
BTW, I love the kanga pic with the koala humping his head. No wonder Adam was like, “WTF?????????!!!!!”
I love you, too, luvadamlambert :)
It always makes me laugh when people say it’s “all about the music”. If it’s all about the music, all Adam Lambert needs to do is produce a good album and put on a quality show and his fans should be happy.
NVM
I really enjoy listening/watching interviews with Adam. He is such a breath of fresh air and always puts a smile on my face. In this interview I think a lot of information is lost when you simply read what he said versus listen to exactly how he said it. He was asked about fan encounters and he answered honestly. IMHO the comments about “some” fans being a “little sweaty”, “little smelly” and “touchy-feely” were simply real life events that happened to him. I did not get any sense that he was complaining about these things. More like, ya know it rained today and my feet got wet but it’s all good. To me those comments were not in any way personal. They were not directed at an individual. He has never pushed a fan away and said eww you smell. That would be rude. Fan reports from people who have met him have very positive.
His comments regarding the gift are more personal in that how many people have actually given him an inflatable kangaroo, probably only one. Honestly what adult would really want one as a gift? If that comment offends one person and stops hundreds more from giving him stuff he doesn’t need then maybe that’s what he wants. IMHO people need to get thicker skin.
I found several other comments of his in this interview far more interesting to talk about. He is asked about his album and in addition to a description similar to what he’s said before he also mentions something about vocals and guitar (I forget his exact words) which I was glad to hear. I love the 70’s rock he’s done because that’s what I grew up listening to. So I’ve been a little worried I wouldn’t like his album if it’s too electronic. Plus what I care about is hearing his vocals. I think he’s really smart and gets that his album needs to stand out, in a good way of course. You have to make music that people like but also sticks in a way that they keep coming back to hear it again.
Towards the end of the interview he’s asked what he wants to do right after the tour is over. Adam talks about how he really wants 3 or 4 days to just unplug from the world. Just go down a little hole for a while. I know I’m not remembering exactly what he said so please go listen to it again and how he says it. To me it was just another wonderful moment of real honesty. I just can’t imagine what Adam, Kris and Allison have been going through because they just aren’t getting any days off right now. I don’t think this means anything other than he just wants/needs some time to rest and be quiet to recharge his batteries. He clearly enjoys talking to people and I think he does honestly enjoy and appreciate his fans but like all of us he needs a break now and then.
Think of how boring Adam interviews would be if all he ever said were simple platitudes like: “the tour is great”, “I feel great”, “the album is great”, “life is great”. Granted no one would be offended but would anybody be listening.
That makes sense. That headline was very “national enquirish.” “Adam Lambert Says His Fans Stink.” Well…….not exactly.
One thing: Top Idol and maybe a few others mentioned fanbases and how some of the more infamous ones like Soul Patrol and Claymate were detriments to the Idols career. That sounds logical within the AI blog and board bubble. But, really 99.9% of the population neither knows nor gives a shit about any of this or any of that. I didn’t follow any boards until Season 3, and had no clue about Clays OTT fans and the fan wars and the bullshit. Also, the truth is, Clay and Taylor were never destined to be pop superstars. (This doesn’t mean they aren’t both talented.) Simon knew neither of them had what it takes, which is why he didn’t want either of them to win. They both did about as well as either of them could given their limited appeal and 19’s lack of support for Taylor. I actually liked Clay on the show during Season 2. Once the show was over, I heard a song from his album on the radio and thought, “Ew.” Guess what? That’s how it works. I didn’t refuse to buy Clay’s album because I knew about his OTT fanbase. I refused to buy it because I thought it sucked.
In other words, if Adam’s album sucks or doesn’t have a couple of hit singles that get intensive airplay, he will not be a success. If Kris has an album that sucks or doesn’t have a couple of hit singles that get intensive airplay, he will not be a success. Same for Allison. I liked all three on the show, and I hope they all succeed. But, I don’t spend money on crappy music, no matter how much I liked them during their season. (I’m looking at YOU, Jason Castro.)
So, one group of fans might be annoying as hell to bloggers, reviewers, and fans of other Idols. But, they in the grand scheme of things, they don’t have as much power as they or anyone else thinks they do.
LOL!!!!! You basically said in one sentence what I said in a 15 paragraph thesis.
I had no idea about the OTT fan behavior, with the exception of the Claymates, until after about one month after starting my blog last year. And I think the average Idol viewer has no clue, although I think it is beginning to seep into the “mainstream” a bit more, especially when stuff like Dildogate gets picked up on non-Idol blogs, et al, and there are more and more interviews with the male contestants where they mention some overzealous fan behavior.
I think Idol works against you when it comes to widespread acceptance as an artist/musician/singer/et al (and more so for the male contestants) because you have to appeal to non-Idol viewers, many of which will dismiss you simply for being on the show…a reality TV show/karaoke contest. Even after writing about so much of this stuff, I admittedly still have trouble seeing beyond the Idol stigma.
It will be interesting to see how the albums do when released in November. I think the rush jobs to get them to the public, as well as the stringent control 19E has over the entire production, can also be a disservice.
I find Adam’s comments very interesting coming from a man who attended the Burning Man Festival in the hot desert where people don’t bathe for days! There are even afew pictures on-line of Adam at the event and he looks like he’s “glistening” and dirty. I guess it’s ok for Adam and his “cool” friends to sweat & smell but not fans who stand out in the hot sun in the middle of summer hoping to meet a singer they “idolize” and get his autograph.
I was a fan of Adam’s. He was the only one I voted for this year on American Idol. I attended the concert this year and screamed my head off for him when he performed. BUT several of his recent comments (this isn’t the only time he’s slammed fans in an interview) and the obvious distain that he’s shown for fans who voted for him, bought tickets to the concert and planned to support his career in the future, have really turned me off.
I understand that fans can get “over-zealous” and it’s not always pleasant for celebrities to deal with but it comes with the territory. Ask some Idol “has beens” and they’d probably kill to go back to the days when “stinky, smelly” fans waited just to see them. Adam…if you can’t stand the heat or the “smell”…maybe you should get out of the oven!
And why, pray tell, would Adam’s friend post a link to that piece of trash?
ETA: OK, “piece of trash” may be OTT, I really don’t remember the article, but the headline was certainly out of line. And I really have to wonder what kind of “friend” of Adam’s would want to draw attention to all of this.
idolstyleblessed could you please post links to all of those interviews where Adam slammed his fans and exhibited such obvious disdain for them? I don’t recall any such interviews or statements from him. TIA.
Absolutely! It is interesting that, with the exception of Chris Daughtry, none of the male Idols have had huge commercial success. I DO think there’s some connection with the age of the fanbases of the male Idols. At the same time, the male Idols who’ve gotten signed have put out crap for albums. (Cook and Little Archie might be the exception. I don’t know. I don’t own either of their albums.) And Daughtry definitely has a large group of older women in his fanbase. And they’re quite rabid. So, I don’t know. It’s a crap shoot.
Will, I think Cassidy tweeted the link to Adam, specifically, to alert him. I think most people are still figuring Twitter out. They don’t realize if you don’t send something as a direct message, anyone who follows can read it. At least, that’s my theory.
The article was actually not anti-Adam. It was a positive article. Adam and Cassidy are really good friends. Cassidy is also the owner of SkinGraft which created that amazing jacket Adam is wearing on tour. This is a link to the article Cassidy posted http://www.examiner.com/x-4107-Gay–Lesbian-Issues-Examiner~y2009m8d22-Adam-Lambert-news–Overzealous-fans-flying-sex-toys-and-Idolmaking
What are YOU going to do if Kris’s debut doesn’t outsell “Thriller”? Exactly. LOL
Even Michael Jackson couldn’t outsell Thriller….. goodness. That example is so overused.
Of course. And if the albums suck, it won’t matter how many charities you worked for, how nice you are, what type of clothes you wear, how many people screamed for you at the concert, or even how many votes you got on the show or twitter followers one has, you’re album won’t do well. That is the bottom line. No blog post, tv spot, or newspaper article can change that.
Sorry, not buying it! I just started using Twitter a couple of days ago, actually, and even I know that if you want to send a private message you use DM. Anybody who hasn’t been living under a rock knows that otherwise the whole world can read them. After what Adam just did to promote Cassidy’s music, I am dumbfounded that Cassidy would post anything about this whole mess, much less a link to that article. What a boneheaded move.
I think you’re forgetting about Mr. Aiken.
Sorry, Will. Based on record sales, I suppose I should include him. However, unlike Carrie, Kelly, and Daughtry, he’s no longer a viable recording star.
Here’s the good news for Adam fans-my sister, who is an Adam fan, but doesn’t follow these blogs, knows NOTHING about the concerts, and any of the -gates, including stinky-gate. It just isn’t getting a lot of play in the news.
Ultimately, Adam’s success is going to ride on how good his music is, and how well those songs are promoted. Period, IMHO.
The majority of them will be, I think I missed your point if you are trying to argue the other side.
I do find it highly entertaining that a bunch of bloggers about Idol are accusing a contestant of buying into his own hype when they obviously have such a high opinion of themselves as armchair music critics, talk about the pots calling the kettle black. LOL. Proceed with the egomaniacal protestations please.
Just thinking out loud. The majority of fans that go to these concerts are women and girls/teens. Do you think Adam could be uncomfortable with the female response to him? For the record I wore deodorant and perfume to the barricades and hoped I did not smell bad. I sweated some but not profusely.
I just came in and checked the concert thread and guess what…Adam came out tonight and signed for the fans.
I guess security caught his stalker and the doctor took him off vocal rest on the very same day all the nonsense broke about calling fans sweaty.
Too bad he didn’t come out last night. Probably would have saved about 800 posts about how great “unfiltered” Adam is and how entitled fans suck.
Can we say damage control?
Sure, you can. I’ll counter with, maybe his doctor let him off of vocal rest.
Thanks jpfan, guess all is better now. Just wished he had gotten better on the 20th when I was in Philly.
What???? The stalker has been caught??? But…but. That’s impossible, as I’m still sitting here at my computer typing. I mean….er… that is…..
When Adam first announced on twitter that he would be on vocal rest he specifically said it would be for a handful of shows and so it makes sense for him to be out there tonight based on something he said a week ago rather than something he said yesterday.
BTW, even if it is damage control, so what? He is still out there for his fans and I am quite sure he was smiling and making sure that no fan felt like he thought they were smelly—even if they were. Adam DOES love his fans (as all of the Idols do).
I may be wrong but I think the barricades are probably a trip for all of the Idols. I can’t blame Adam for being uncomfortable with them because the barricades ARE MAJOR crazy for him. I know from experience. I was at the barricades in Oakland and the craziness is OTT when he comes out.
@jpfan
Maybe he has gotten better? He did attend pre-show M&G in Philly.
I’m sure they are, Allison and Kris have both mentioned this on occasion and Allison seemed quite freaked out about the time a fan grabbed her by the neck. That’s probably why some of the idols don’t come out at every barricade if they are feeling tired or just not up for dealing with the craziness. I don’t blame any of them.
..maybe his doctor let him off of vocal rest…
Yes. I’m sure that it’s just fortunate timing. As I posted in the concert thread, I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale for fans who think Adam came out tonight because “he felt better”….
Too bad he didn’t tweet that info earlier today or last night..would have have eliminated most of the 1,000 posts on smellygate.
Just…. YAWN So what! He’s young maybe he made a minor misstep earlier, maybe he’s trying to fix it. OK….. Is this the new Gate of the night?
Ha. But that would just make too much sense. We can’t be logical now can we? lol
Personally I don’t give a damn if Adam came out (though I thought he did that in RS months ago) to his fans tonight. And if he came out to mend fences, OK so be it. I could come up with 100s of conspiracy theories about why what has happened happened and never even come close to the actually truth…and really I don’t think it is important.
Some people like Adam some people don’t. And you know what, I think that is true for almost all of us. Some people like us, some people don’t….and in the grand scheme of things we try to please those who profess to like us and we really try and ignore those who don’t. And it seems to work and life seems to keep rolling along.
It is very entertaining. What I find funny, is to call fans OTT, but not find yourself OTT when you spend every waking hour posting negative posts about idols to prove a hidden agenda about a reality tv show. Focusing on negativity so much is even more OTT then people trying to defend every OTT unnecessary post.
Now I’m not talking about mj’s blog specifically, just some of these blogs in general. They are a riot, and will be the first to call you crazy. I guess it takes an OTT person to know another one huh? lol
“Ha. But that would just make too much sense. We can’t be logical now can we? lol”
The bridge connects two islands and is 100 years old. It’s beautiful and very cheap at $100,000. Fans who think Adam coming out tonight was pure coincidence and had nothing to do with smellygate must pay double though.
Because they’ll buy anything. Lol. I keed, I keed.
Thank God, smellygate is over. RIP.
I do apologize if you took my comment to mean that I cared one way or the other why Adam came out tonight. For clarification….I don’t.
I dont give a fuck one way or the other about Adam coming out to sign. PR move? Sure! So?
It’s great that no one cares about this topic. Although with over 1,000 posts you’d think they did. Oh well. Nothing to see here, move along please.
LOL! IKR?
At least the Armchair critics I know change the topics once in a while. But in Idol bubble land, not so much……………..
Does it really matter? Does anyone have a strong opinion one way or the other? That in itself is OTT to me. Why even care? How does it effect your life?
But you care enough for all of us which is good, join us in taking it to 2,000
Wrong. You should first try and find out if you have somehow wronged the people who “don’t.” And should you discover that you have done so, you apologize and try to better yourself in the future. And if going forward these people still don’t like or accept you and you have nothing left to give them, you then move on.
Of course it goes without saying that you should always do the right thing—no matter who’s professing what.
Pure idealism, no place in reality. If these idols or any stars for that matter spent time trying to always please everyone and backpedalling every time they make have an oops moment, they’d never get off the internet.
It will roll over like the bit of fluff it is and rightly so!No apologies required
My take on Kris’s ADD statement versus Adam’s sweaty and smelly is everyone sweats and smells, while only some people have ADD. Adam’s statement and use of fan can offend more fans. Kris’s statement would be insulting to people who have ADD or a child with it. I think all the idols say things that can be dumb at times. Adam and Danny and Sarver get more attention for their statements.
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i’m exhausted from seeing all of these comments :mellow_tb: :wacko_tb:
it starts with a little sweaty and ends with ‘stinky fans’
interesting though
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