Keep what’s left of this post FOCUSED ON THE SUBJECT.

If fans are dissing your favorite the WRONG ANSWER is to bait them. Leave fans of other Idols OUT OF THE DISCUSSION.

A couple of very chatty posters here are close to being put in moderation.

I could have sworn that Bucky originally was singing Lynard Skynard type music and said something about being mostly into that.

I remember him doing both. But southern rock is really a genre pretty close to country. It morphs into country quite easily, especially as country gets more rock-y.

Yes that is the music Adam has done on the show, but it is not, unfortunately, what he describes his post-idol music to be (and it is the music we will recieve after the show that I was referring to).

But it is pretty obvious that while I found it very difficult to enjoy Adam on the show, he is, FOR NOW, the break-out star of season 8 though he did not win.

We will see…

No, he’s not going to connect with everyone but it s doubful that any of the top three does.

And to tell the truth, sometimes these so called “performing skills”(movements,gestures,facial expressions), are just being acted out to look good and it is just performing.
Sometimes it is more phony than anything.
To me a heartfelt vocal is when the singer loses themselves in a song and lets go and sings from the heart, just not even caring what they look like in the emotion of it.
That is Danny. And why he has plenty of fans that see it and appreciate him.
I think a lot of singers are just performing and too conscious of their looks more than being into the song and the meaning. They “do” all the right movements and thats just not real imo.

I think we all just have to wait and see how well Danny will do. I personally don’t think he is all that great and never liked him as a performer, but he does have some fans. I don’t think the judges did Danny any favors by over praising him. This is one of the reasons why so many people dislike him. It’s not just people on the internet that don’t like his music style. I know many people that don’t follow AI on the internet and they never got Danny. I’ve actually haven’t met a person that likes Danny other than here on the internet.

And though Danny hasn’t the best personality in the world, it is hard to deny that he may produce songs of a bit more quality and meaning behind them.

I respectfully disagree. I am sure that there is a very heartfelt feeling in the Danny fan camp that his songs will come from the heart because of his life experiences. But in order, IMHO, for that feeling to manifest itself in song the singer must be able to emote that feeling not just talk about it. As has been referred to before, Danny wants to inspire through his words but he doesn’t know how to show it without talking about it. Real emotion is in body language and the eyes and the way someone breaths. And Danny doesn’t seem to know how to use his body. And if a singer doesn’t use all of himself to sing then the song is only about the voice and nothing more and it falls flat and doesn’t stir the soul of the listener.

I have listened to enough music in my life that I know when the songs are heartfelt. I know when someone “touches” me with their voice. Oftentimes I don’t even hear the words just the emotion. That is a singer that is meaningful.

And though Danny hasn’t the best personality in the world, it is hard to deny that he may produce songs of a bit more quality and meaning behind them.

Truthfully, I don’t find that hard to deny at all.

Aside from the huge talent gap, to me, Adam has more life experience and substance to draw from than Danny. And the quality of his work so far eclipses Danny’s. As for meaning, we have BoW, ToMT, MW, IICHY, FG, One, Cryin’, ACIGC and even NB as examples, as well as the many, many awesome pre-Idol songs he chose to cover. All in all, for me, for you, for me, not hard at all.

Mileage…

Seriously, all professional negotiators are appalled with Danny’s public comments regarding the progression of his record dealings.

Who are these professional negotiators, and for what business reason would they be appalled? I have negotiated many business deals. At times, such as with the acquisition of a competitor, it’s very important that the discussions are not publicly revealed. In other cases, people are quite open about saying that a potential collaberation is under discussion.

In this case, what is shocking about Danny “revealing” that he is in discussions or that other people have expressed interest? Doesn’t the organization that he has mentioned meeting with have an exclusive on him for a period of time? What in the hell would be shocking about them discussing it together? And what harm is there in saying that others have expressed interest? None. If it doesn’t work out, then Danny says that they didn’t come to an agreement. It happens all the time. BFD.

I think that this has about as much weight as the one where Danny cruelly handed Adam a humiliating photo to sign because he hates him and wanted to embarrass him, except, oh yeah, the photo was of Adam in costume for a role that I believe he was quite proud of. And these two guys like each other and express friendship for each other, which is of course quite inconvenient.

I’d be more worried if I was one of those three. No wonder they’re madly slapping songs together with songwriters.

Anyway, if he was to be signed, why is it taking so long? It’s been almost a month (or more than?) since we heard of Kradison’s deals, why is Danny’s deal taking so long to finish? Hmmm.

Honestly, I just want him to be signed to some small Christian label, release songs exclusively available to his church and foundation so we won’t ever have to hear from him again.

Check out Danny’s latest tweet with pic of the Top 4.

http://yfrog.com/0m36jmj check this

Oh well…Wish the best to Danny and we will see…

1. I think Danny is a good-hearted, sincere guy.

2. I think Danny has a great voice.

3. I think Danny’s great voice is buried under a lot of bad habits picked up from years of singing in a worship-singer-on-stage style.

4. That said, he could still get a hit if he’s matched with just the right song.

5. But he has a long way to go before he can sustain a high level career IMO. He just doesn’t know how to use his voice.

6. He also seems to lack the savvy needed to make the most of this short window of opportunity.

7. Good luck to him.

Even Carrie Underwood, who was the ultimate AI ‘vessel’  – pretty face, good voice, no real personality or identity – had some concept of who she was and what worked for her, and that was country music.

Again, I have to wonder if people actually watched the past seasons if they didn’t know that Bucky was country and Carrie was country. Carrie was always country, from day one. She never wavered, she never wondered what her “identity” was. Of course she had to sing different genres each week, but she was always country, the judges knew it, the audience knew it, there was no mystery or ambiguity about it. It was always known that she would put out country music when it was over. She was never an empty vessel, never. Just like Allison always knew she was a rocker, Carrie was always a country singer.

I think at this point, Danny has been hammered so much on the internet and twitter, that he’s got to be so much more careful about what he says than anyone else in the top 10.

Yeah, and I think that makes it that much harder to articulate. I think he often looks nervous out of his eyes because he knows that he’s going to take a beating pretty much no matter what he says. I mean maybe I’m reading it into him, but that’s what I see.

His last performance of YASB during top 3 night, when he said that he just had to clear his head and come out with a fresh head and heart and not worry about all of the opinions, I knew he had been beaten down by the Internet “bullies.” I think this affected him during the latter part of the season.

I think Danny is a good singer, I liked his voice second of all the idols after Adam’s. Like I’ve said before, most of my offline friends, family and co-workers were either Adam or Danny fans. His gravelly voice is the type of voice I usually like to listen to from a guy, but Adam’s this year just blew me out of the water. My ranking of singing for this year for the top 5 would be Adam, Danny, Allison, Kris and lastly Matt. I do have to admit, if Matt’s nerves would have been more controlled and he could have kept control of his falsetto and riffing, he probably would have been number 4.

Yeah, my lineup is very similar. I probably actually like Danny’s “voice” the best, but Adam had too much going on with his performing skills, range, style, etc. for me to put Danny over him. But I do love to hear Danny sing. Allison was also next for me, but I tend to think she is a little rougher around the edges than Danny, personally. She’s very young, though, and I suspect those things will be worked out. I tend to lean toward Matt next, but admit that he was not as consistent as Kris…..but on his best days, for me, Matt is better than Kris on his best days…if that makes any sense.

It never fails to amaze me how every year, former contestants and former seasons get re-written and misinformation gets passed down. I don’t think anyone could have watched that season and had any doubt that Bucky was a country singer. He said so every week, the judges said so every week.

I think Danny gets a bad rap because he is unfiltered, he doesn’t think about what he says before he says it. He’s like Adam alot in that way.

Wha??? I don’t think Danny and Adam are in any way alike, especially in this way. Danny puts his uncouth foot in his mouth over and over, while Adam has mostly been cool, savvy, and thoughtful in his comments. Adam has not said things to insult and belittle other people, the way Danny does. Adam doesn’t make crass comments like “we’re in it for the money.” He has more tact in his little finger than Danny has in his whole body.

there is a big difference in saying you have signed a recording contract (Allison, Adam, and Kris all spoke about their albums before the official announcement, but they had signed) and talking about going and talking about maybe having a record deal.

I totally agree. I have felt all along that Danny shouldn’t be talking about a record deal that he hadn’t even signed yet. Very uncool and unprofessional. The guy is a loose cannon and I am sure tptb are noticing it.

And for most of the his online fans, that soulful voice alone is enough for them to buy his music. Whether that will be a country/soul album or an R&B Latin album.

I don’t get that kind of thinking about music. There’s a big difference between a country album and an r&b/latin album. Also, a lot of people today don’t seem to expect artists to have any sort of integrity, any sort of inner guide about what music moves them. It’s like, “whatever, anything goes,” in the pursuit of making a few bucks. Today it’s like music is just a product, the singers are just commodities, and they should do whatever will sell. It’s so different than what I’m used to, where music is not a commodity and singers are actually artists and not salespeople. To me someone like Danny has no musical integrity and he will happily go wherever they tell him to go. He looks desperate to cash in. So yeah, based on that, I hope his ploy (and the record company’s ploy) does backfire.

“Never really found Adam to be that different. He always reminds me of the cool kid at high school with the fancy hairdo and jacket trying to be different.”

Compared to the sea of plaid we saw week after week this year, Adam definitely dressed differently.

I agree with alot of AEK’s sentiments regarding this article. I think Danny is a good singer, I liked his voice second of all the idols after Adam’s. Like I’ve said before, most of my offline friends, family and co-workers were either Adam or Danny fans. His gravelly voice is the type of voice I usually like to listen to from a guy, but Adam’s this year just blew me out of the water. My ranking of singing for this year for the top 5 would be Adam, Danny, Allison, Kris and lastly Matt. I do have to admit, if Matt’s nerves would have been more controlled and he could have kept control of his falsetto and riffing, he probably would have been number 4. I liked Kris for his ability for playing instruments, I thought playing instruments brought an extra dimension to his performances. His song arranging, eh, it was hit or miss for me. I love Allison’s voice, but her enunciation drove me crazy and I didn’t like many of her song choices. I’m not going to go into what I think about Adam, because I’d like to finish this post before it’s time for me to go to bed.

Danny lost me during the season because his performances became one-note. He never wowed me, or surprised me during the season. A major part of why he never did that is his lack of musical knowledge and popular music. On Idol, he had to pick his own songs, songs that he’d never heard before alot of times. Am I excusing his lack of knowledge? Not at all. He had plenty of time between Hollywood week and the start of the show to acquaint himself with popular music. I mean really, did Idol do one theme this year that hadn’t been done before in previous years?? The only one I can think of is maybe Classic Rock Week. Danny could have done some internet research, youtube research or even talking to friends to get some information about popular music. That being said, in the real world, where he either writes his songs (doubtful for a 1st album) or has PROFESSIONALS picking his songs for him, I think he could do well, because while he is not the best trained voice, he can sing.

I think Danny gets a bad rap because he is unfiltered, he doesn’t think about what he says before he says it. He’s like Adam alot in that way. The difference is that when Adam says something maybe he shouldn’t, he’s articulate enough to either explain what he meant in a more likeable manner or he charms the interviewer and the reading, watching or listening public so that it doesn’t seem as bad. Danny can’t do that. Do I expect him to be able to do it? Naaah…not really. After thinking about each of their experiences, Adam has been in the Hollywood bubble for a long time, he’s been around more people that have those PR skills and has probably learned from them. Danny doesn’t have that same experience nor those skills. I think at this point, Danny has been hammered so much on the internet and twitter, that he’s got to be so much more careful about what he says than anyone else in the top 10.

That’s my take on the situation and I think I’m sticking to it. :ponder_tb:

So Canuck, which do you like’ ¦clean-cut or scruffy? lol. He seemed a little embarrassed about the clean cut look, though.

The phrase “lipstick on a pig” comes to mind.

I’m not upset with Danny for talking out of turn for any other reason than Danny is setting himself up for ridicule if the talks do not gel into a contract. There are things to tell your fans and there are things that should be close to the vest until they are true facts.

As for Adam’s song list he has talked about the Bowie medley. A whole Lotta love came out because people heard it in the background of an interview, same with his Muse song where a snippet was heard. I believe he did confirm a duet with Allison and he may have said, though I don’t remember, that he was performing MadWorld.

It’s a pity that modern vocalists and musicians can’t be a wee bit more eclectic.

I think it’s probably less the performers than it is the record labels insisting on this.

Seems like when somebody says they’re eclectic or switch up genres or something, there’s a lot of consternation from the business end about how that won’t work because you won’t know which label to put on them.

I agree that it’s stupid. But I suspect that a lot of the actual performers would love to be more eclectic if they were allowed to get away with it.

It seems today that every singer wants to be, or is expected to be, a songwriter. That’s what makes so much junk music.

Well, that’s one of the reasons! I think another is that, rather than *anybody* writing songs because they’re the songs they want to write, most of the songwriters-for-hire shop themselves around to all and sundry, writing for anybody in any style, usually under the gun, and usually being told to produce something that fits into a very exacting pop format of the moment with a certain kind of hook and so on. Another is that there are so songwriting committees (other than songwriter/lyricist duos and bands, I mean.)

There are a lot of reasons, really. At bottom, it’s the whole industrial approach to music-making, really, I think.

That;s why I tend to like the alt stuff best in most genres, ecause there you’re more likely to find the songwriters or singer/songwriters writing something that they actually want to write rather than trying to put together a song the same way you order off a Chinese menu — hook from column A, lyric from Column B