Oh and as to the poster above, who reiterated the theme yet again that Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“actions speak louder than wordsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ , I addressed that. He can demonstrate love to another person without approving of everything they do. Actions may speak louder than words, but they donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t tell you what the words inside a personà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s head say either.

Actually, they have a word for this. Hypocrite. How does it work exactly? Kris comes up behind Adam when Adam is speaking to the press just after the final show and Kris throws his arms around Adam. But Kris thinks, “I will demonstrate love to Adam just for show but I really think gays are sinful and abhorrent in the eyes of God.”

Sorry, but no matter how you try to paint the picture, either Kris is demonstrating Christ’s love or he is not. There are no astericks allowed for Kris’ private thoughts.

Oh and as to the poster above, who reiterated the theme yet again that Krisà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“actions speak louder than wordsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ , I addressed that. He can demonstrate love to another person without approving of everything they do. Actions may speak louder than words, but they donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t tell you what the words inside a personà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s head say either.

“actions do speak louder than words”. noctem seizure, you are aware that SEVEN out of the top 10 Idols have deep Christian backgrounds, including Danny Gokey, not just Kris.

Matt is a devout Christian, who started off singing and performing in his church. Many of his cd tracks are Christian themed music. Lil grew up singing in a choir like her mother in a evangelical church in Memphis TN. Michael is leader in his evangelical church in Texas. Allison grew up a devout Catholic and I have seen her in church photos that were taken recently. Scott performed in his church and also sings Christian songs.

What I have seen is that many of them seem open minded to me and some don’t because “actions do speak louder than words”.

In California 60 percent of Latinos and a whopping over 70 percent of African-Americans voted yes on 8 against Gay rights.

So would you go down the line and ask each and every one of the contestants what they think of the Gay lifesytle?

That would be rather fascist don’t you think…and I am Gay.

What a way to make the tour WORSE and uncomfortable for Adam.

As for me “people’s actions do speak louder than words.” and what I have seen from Kris it is pretty clear that he is accepting of Adam as a person and doesn’t judge him for being Gay…and that is why I like Kris.

BootStar
Jun 19th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
This just sums it all up for me!

thank you, thank you, thank you….

this said it all!!

He canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t help that he is a Christian and shouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t have to apologise for it.
Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sure Adam feels that way about himself also.
Adam said he is who he is and proud of it.
Thats his right. But Danny has his right too.

Christianity is a choice. Danny could choose to become a Jew tomorrow or a Muslim or an agnostic. Adam can not choose to become a heterosexual. He can choose to live a heterosexual lifestyle despite how his brain is wired. He can deny his sexual desires directed at those of the same sex or he can choose celibacy. But Adam cannot become a heterosexual.

No one is denying Danny’s right to be proud of who he is or his right to speak out on what he believes. However, the days when Danny was saying these things to his church of fellow believers are over. Danny chose the public spotlight and he chose to speak out. He could have just as easily said that Adam’s personal life is none of his business. Instead, Danny, by his comments, made clear he does not understand the most basic aspects of being gay. It is not only our right, but it is our responsiblity as human beings, to correct him and not allow his misinformation to be spread. I am sure he feels plenty of pressure as he probably has never been exposed to different beliefs or at least allowed to consider them. But he is an adult, and not even a young adult, and if he wants a public career, this is his education on what the public is thinking.

I still think that overall this was a learning experience for Danny and his family. Adam has been the target of horrible comments his whole teen and adult life. For Danny, it’s only been going on for a couple of months. Maybe this will help Danny to understand what it is like to be judged and misunderstood by people who don’t know you. Sometimes you really can’t understand what someone goes through until you do walk in their shoes. If Danny is a clueless as everyone says he is, maybe this woke him up. Maybe he can influence and educate his family.

This AI season doesn’t appear to be a “run of the mill” season. I wasn’t around until the tail end of last year, so I can’t compare, so what does everyone else think?

http://unapprovedroad.blogspot.com/2009/06/we-get-to-carry-each-other.html

Love Kradam, let’s try to get this evolved before we die.

:cool1_tb:

Danny appears to Pretend that he is devoid of intellectual curiosity – he definitely appears to be a mean spirited person. Hiding behind the à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Oh I am a christian so how can I be mean? act – he really should go into acting, I think he would do so much better there than singing

See, I don’t see where Danny has been mean spirited at any time.
I have not seen where he didn’t get along well with all the idols, or said anything wrong.
I really don’t see any difference between him or Adam and Kris in actions, words, or deeds.

Danny never brought these things up or judged anyone.
He can’t help that he is a Christian and shouldn’t have to apologise for it.
I’m sure Adam feels that way about himself also.
Adam said he is who he is and proud of it.
Thats his right. But Danny has his right too.
Some don’t agree with Adam and some don’t with Danny either.
I guess I don’t understand the hating part just because of not agreeing with someone.
I do not believe Adam hates Danny, or Danny hates Adam. I think there is mutual respect between them and acceptance of who they are.
I truly don’t think that Danny, with the heart he has to help misfortunate kids and families, has a mean bone in his body.
I think he has been the most misunderstood idol I have ever seen on the show.

I think alot of the negativity on the internet causing Danny to be spurned, was because the issue of gayness came up this season with Adam, and sensitivities flared.
Danny just happened to be one with the Christian background that teaches against that, and imo has been unjustly treated.
I don’t believe these issues would have come up otherwise, and Danny was just unfortunate to be on with Adam this year. It may have happened to Kris without Danny being there.
There have been many Christians that have been on AI every year with no doubt the same belief system as Danny.
But he really hasn’t done anything but appear on the show and sing.

I think thats all I am saying about this dead horse subject. I can’t help giving the other view in defense of Danny, or trying to be a voice for him.
There are only about 3 Danny fans here on this thread and everyone else doesn’t like Danny, so I’m trying to just give my opinion without insulting or criticizing posters here.
Thats not the intention for sure, just my point of view on Danny and who he really is.

About the above post. I am trying to understand these people (Adam’s brother and Danny’s cousin). For some reason people always think that if you try to understand the motivations behind something, you are excusing it. I am not excusing it, and am simply trying to get in their heads as best I can.

I do think those comments made by friends of the girl are dispicable. But really, I didn’t even bother to read those. Friends of his cousin have EVEN LESS to do with Danny than his cousin…if that’s possible.

Do you really want to start to get into what the friends of cousins think about the contestents? Really? To me, this is starting to get CRAZY.

Kris is right, Twitter is the devil’s work!
:furious_tb:

http://www.idletard.com/blog/archives/8355#more-8355

I don’t really like Sarver or Gokey but am thinking all this Twit-crap is for the birds! Who needs it? Yes, you can block people but when it amounts to hundreds of tweeters, isn’t that time consuming?

Seems like a “celebrity” having a Twitter account is like hanging a “Kick Me” sign around your neck.

It won’t stop with Saver & Gokey.

So, homophobia is less awful if ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s expressed privately (even though it seems that her facebook was public, not private) than simply critical comments are when expressed semi-privately (somethingawful.com is not a completely public forum)?

No, what I’m saying is that I don’t think it was intended to humiliate Adam. I think homophobia is terrible. Please don’t put words in my mouth. I said that what she did was meanspirited and wrong. But I actually do think it would have been even worse if she tried to publically humiliate Adam in some kind of way.

And I do know that her facebook was set to private. Someone mentioned that the facebook settings had changed, and so people were allowed to see photo albums, and they said last night that we should go and check our accounts. I have no clue, but I do know that her account had been set to private.

I know people keep saying that Danny was party to this. I still think all he did is ask Adam to sign the picture. I don’t think he thought it would be upsetting for Adam. Noone who knows Danny personally has said ANYTHING but that he is a nice guy. I think those people that don’t know him are making assumptions as to what his intentions were.

And again, regardless of any of it, Danny can’t control his cousin. We are not talking about his immediate family. It’s a COUSIN, for God’s sake. With his large family, he might have a thousand. lol.

About Danny’s Comcast quote. Two things: 1. Danny was having to type out his answers very fast and he is not the most articulate person in the world. I didn’t even necessarily take it to mean that he was saying that homosexuality was a belief. The main message was that he wanted to accept others and he wanted them to accept him. 2. That all being said, Danny is a conservative fundamentalist Christian. I don’t think that he can be expected in the course of 5 or 6 months to change everything that he has been believing for his life. If this is going to happen, it would take time. Unfortunately, I personally feel that with the way he’s been treated, it would do nothing but to make him feel like clinging to his religion, and I suppose all at entails. Just my guess.

And make no mistake, Danny was being clobbered by everyone way before any kind of gay issue was ever brought up by him. Every facial expression, every word out of his mouth during his chats on tv, the clothes he wore, really everything he did was ragged on. He was constantly called a tool and a jerk….and he really had not done anything. When he didn’t get signed and the others did, people gloated and mocked. Yes, people have a right to do this. But it was still hateful

The hate has been going on since at least mid April….the first time I ventured online. To be honest, I was utterly shocked at what I read. And I personally feel it is very hypocritical to have participated in that hate and then get all upset about any other type of hate.

Hate is ALWAYS wrong.

Edit: Let me just say once again, for the record, I am pro gay rights. I am not a Christian, but rather agnostic. I do think the way to fight against any form of hate is not to reciprocate with hate. I don’t think we are going to change the veiws of conservative Christians overnight, and I don’t think bashing them and ridiculing them in the name of your “cause” will do ANYTHING to make them see them light.

I am really tired of this topic and ready to move on. I’m sure there are an endless amount of comments that we can make and we will all never agree here. I like both Danny and Adam, and I really wish everyone could just get along…pipe dream, I know.

In some ways what Neil did is worse than Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s cousin because he posted these comments in a public forum. I think Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s cousin posted hers in her private facebook account (some say it was hacked, and some say facebook changed the settings). At any rate, it seems she thought she was sharing this stuff privately amongst her family and friends. However, I still think she was meanspirited, but I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think she was publically trying to humiliate Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦she was still wrong.

Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s cousin. Well, she had a horse in this race, too. I have often thought about Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s family and how they would feel going to an AI website and reading all of the intense hate that was put out there. Most of it seemed to come from the fanbase that was the biggest competitor to Danny. Letà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s face it, for the bulk of the season, these two were the ones to beat. I imagine reading this stuff colored there feelings, through no fault of Adam. But it does happen.

So, homophobia is less awful if it’s expressed privately (even though it seems that her facebook was public, not private) than simply critical comments are when expressed semi-privately (somethingawful.com is not a completely public forum)? Had Danny’s brother made comments about Adam or Kris in the vein of those that Neil made about Danny–had he made comments that he personally found Adam or Kris annoying and that he didn’t want either of them to beat Danny–I don’t think any Kris or Adam fan here would have been that riled up. But these comments weren’t simply expressing dislike towards Adam–they were homophobic. They weren’t just mean–they were bigoted and hateful. Imagine if Adam were black instead of gay, and the comments on this girl’s facebook had been mocking and hateful towards his race, calling him vile names, etc.–would you honestly saying be making comparison between these comment’s and Neil’s then? Homophobia is bigtory.

“She had a horse in this race too”–I can’t quite tell if you are saying that the fact that Adam and Danny were frontrunners and rivals, and the fact that a lot of nasty stuff has been said about Danny online, in any way mitigates what she said or what her fb friends said about Adam. If you are: again, would you excuse racist comments on the part of a white contestant against a black contestant by saying that, well, they were rivals and a lot of mean things had been said about the white contestant?

Look at the comments. This girl found it hysterical that her dad is so repulsed by gay people that he didn’t even want to go near Adam. Her facebook friends called him disgusting, repulsive, a horrible role model for their children–these comments were not deleted or discouraged. One commentator actually said that Adam was a “what” instead of a “who” and that it was hard for her to believe that God loved people who dressed like that. Adam was an “it” to her, not a human being, because he’s gay, and these comments were not deleted or discouraged in any way. The hatred in these comments is unfathomable.

I can understand saying that we shouldn’t hold Danny accountable for this. He might just have been being insensitive rather than malicious when he asked Adam to sign that picture. If there were no evidence that he agreed with his family, he probably wouldn’t have received any anger over this at all. But between the Sarver video and his own statements about being gay being a “belief” rather than simply how someone is born, there is plenty of other evidence of his homophobia, and people don’t need to believe that he is evil or something to be angry about that. I don’t think he’s an awful person, but he is prejudiced and ignorant, and that makes people angry, as it should.

And even if we allow that Danny shouldn’t be held accountable for what his relatives say, there can be no logical equivalence drawn between the critical, possibly mean-spirited comments (depending on your perspective) from Neil and the thoroughly disgusting, bigoted, homophobic, utterly hateful comments made about Adam on those pictures.

Yes. I accept gay people, but people have to accept my beliefs,à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  Danny said. à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“We have to accept their beliefs, but they have to accept my beliefs. We agree to disagree. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t judge people, but at the same time, if they believe in what they believe, they have to accept me and what I believe. But I accept anybody as they come. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s my character and my personality.

I think something that is lost in all this is that being gay is not a belief. It is not a choice. Gays don’t gather in groups on Sunday morning to be preached to about how they should be going out into the world to try to turn the fallen and misguided heterosexual population into homosexuals. If you are truly gay, you are wired differently than heterosexuals.

I thought AI made a subtle attempt to make this point with the little pimp piece they did for Adam about how “different” he was from a very early age. And I think Adam has tried to make the point how difficult his early years were because he was different. No one would choose this for themselves. It is to Adam’s credit that he has come to accept it and feel good about himself.

So, in my mind, you don’t have to look any further than Danny’s comments here to understand that he doesn’t get it. He sees Adam as having made some kind of lifestyle choice designed to be a personal affront to Danny’s own beliefs. But Danny, being the forgiving and loving Christian that he is, is willing to accept Adam despite this. Danny’s comments are ignorant and condescending. And because he is now in a world outside of his sheltered church community where conformity in beliefs is demanded, he will be judged as such.

Also, like people have repeated several times, it’s not just about Danny’s cousin. Danny is in no way innocent.

And for the record – Danny’s cousins facebook was NOT private, I visited it myself. It was not hacked. Neil’s comments were made on a forum where you have to pay to be a member. I would also like to add that when Neil found out that his comments had been redistributed around the Idol fansites, he made a post explaining that it was not his intention for them to get out and that he would no longer be posting about Idol on that forum. At least he acknowledged it, unlike certain Gokeys I know…

à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦and it makes me sad to think of Adam being around people whom he knows disapprove of him.

Adam is going to be plenty busy to even worry about Danny and Sarver. Heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll be flying to LA/Hollywood every chance he gets during the tour. When he is with the tour and not performing, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll be on his phone colloborating, in meetings, and bouncing ideas with Kris. Danny will be reading his à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Grand Olà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ Opry for Dummiesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ .

Oh, I definitely think he’ll have a fantastic, completely amazing time on the tour–I wish he didn’t have to deal with anyone who disapproves of him, but I’m sure the whole experience will be unbelievable for both him and Kris (and Allison–it must be amazing to go on tour knowing that you are going to release an album).

In other words, Tony Campolo may call himself an Evangelical, but he doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t meet the standard, regardless of how he feels about homosexuality. I am NOT saying his beliefs are wrong, just that they donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t pass muster with any Evangelical branch, liberal or conservative.

Well, I’ll just have to respectfully disagree with you here, too, noctem!

Tony Campolo may be on the left-leaning fringe of evangelicalism, but iif he doesn’t meet the evangelical “standard” than a whole helluva lot of folks don’t either. In the northeast, we don’t allow the Southern Baptist Convention to tell us who is, and isn’t, a “genuine” Christian!

In some ways what Neil did is worse than Danny’s cousin because he posted these comments in a public forum. I think Danny’s cousin posted hers in her private facebook account (some say it was hacked, and some say facebook changed the settings). At any rate, it seems she thought she was sharing this stuff privately amongst her family and friends. However, I still think she was meanspirited, but I don’t think she was publically trying to humiliate Adam…she was still wrong.

Ultimately, you have two families that had a horse in this race. Perhaps Neil felt threatened by Danny’s never being in the bottom three, and he feared that his brother might lose to Danny. This may have fueled some of his “rage.” Because even if he didn’t like Danny’s singing, there was no need to really post publically belittling remarks.

Danny’s cousin. Well, she had a horse in this race, too. I have often thought about Danny’s family and how they would feel going to an AI website and reading all of the intense hate that was put out there. Most of it seemed to come from the fanbase that was the biggest competitor to Danny. Let’s face it, for the bulk of the season, these two were the ones to beat. I imagine reading this stuff colored there feelings, through no fault of Adam. But it does happen.

In the end, I think they were both wrong. However, I still believe firmly that Adam can’t control his brother and Danny sure as hell can’t control a cousin. It’s not their fault.

Danny appears to Pretend that he is devoid of intellectual curiosity – he definitely appears to be a mean spirited person. Hiding behind the “Oh I am a christian so how can I be mean? act – he really should go into acting, I think he would do so much better there than singing

However, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve read that Kris was a worship leader for something like six years.

im really not picking at you noctem (kisses) but really, as a non kris fan and someone who could care less about krs, its odd that you seem to remember only faulty information and then post it to prove a point.

here is kris briefly talking about his worship leadership experience on Huckabee…exact quote “yeah i did that for over like a year“….not exactly six lol.

http://www.krisallenation.com/2009/05/kris-performing-yesterday.html

bottom line, we dont know the true thoughts/feelings of ANY idol contestant, and i rather keep it like that. has nothing to do w. the music. however, danny has put himself out there for judgement with his words, actions and nonactions…its very unfortunate, but thats the difference btw kris and danny.

…and it makes me sad to think of Adam being around people whom he knows disapprove of him.

Adam is going to be plenty busy to even worry about Danny and Sarver. He’ll be flying to LA/Hollywood every chance he gets during the tour. When he is with the tour and not performing, he’ll be on his phone colloborating, in meetings, and bouncing ideas with Kris. Danny will be reading his “Grand Ol’ Opry for Dummies”.

Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s true that the vast majority of evangelicals think it is wrong, but I think Kris definitely falls into the Red Letter Christian camp, one of whose most prominent leaders is Tony Campolo. Tony and his wife Peggy famously disagree with each other about how to view homosexuality, and I have to say, most of the under-35, more liberal evangelicals (check out Jim Wallis of Sojourners for an explanation of that apparent oxymoron) I know are definitely more like Peggy than Tony on this issue. Mind you the Campolos and Jim Wallis are universally decried by the most conservative fundamentalists because they donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t take à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Godà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Wordà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  literally enough, but whatever.

Yes, I’m well acquainted with who Tony Campolo is. He and others like him probably represent examples of what I was talking about when I said that not every Evangelical agrees that every person who calls themselves an Evangelical truly is one.

For example, even if a “liberal” Evangelical Christian offshoot concludes that there is nothing morally wrong with homosexuality (which could be called a peripheral issue or non-”Red Letter” issue), there are certain core beliefs that do define Evangelicals– namely that “salvation” comes solely through having faith in Jesus Christ to forgive you of your “sins”.

But, Campolo has said, in effect, that Islam was the way God revealed himself to the Arab culture (just as Christianity was how God revealed himself to first Jewish and then surrounding Gentile culture). That right there puts him outside the bounds of any and all accepted Evangelical theology.

In other words, Tony Campolo may call himself an Evangelical, but he doesn’t meet the standard, regardless of how he feels about homosexuality. I am NOT saying his beliefs are wrong, just that they don’t pass muster with any Evangelical branch, liberal or conservative.

Look, I really donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think that Danny was trying to be cruel with his comments/acts either. But that doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t make them okay

Precisely. If a person said, “I don’t approve of interracial marriage, but I accept people who do, and we can just agree to disagree” would anyone here be saying, “Well, he didn’t mean to be offensively racist, so it’s okay”? I doubt it. Danny probably doesn’t intend to be offensive–but saying things like homosexuality is not “right and godly” etc. is indeed offensive, and reflective of homophobia. Homophobia is not okay just because the laws don’t cover it the same way they do racism and sexism. That doesn’t mean that Danny is evil or anything like that, and I don’t hate him at all–he seems to have good impulses at times–but saying that he doesn’t mean to be offensive doesn’t change the fact that he is and has been several times now, and after that video and his statements, it’s hard to blame people for thinking that whether or not he intended to play a joke on Adam, he probably shares a decent amount of his family’s views. And Adam may very well like him and get along with him, I don’t know–but a lot of gay people I know are used enough to interacting with people who believe that they are immoral in some way that they can still get along with those people to a certain extent. But they shouldn’t have to, and it makes me sad to think of Adam being around people whom he knows disapprove of him.

I think Danny is the Susan Boyle of American Idol. Both are out of their depths in some ways on these shows. At Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s age he should be able to learn and adapt more easily, but I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know how many more chances heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s going to be given, especially if he brings his more backward-thinking friends and relations any nearer the spotlight.

Interesting point. While some of the others (namely, Adam, Kris, and Allison) seemed to have wanted this their whole lives, I never got that from Danny. It’s possible that the only reason he tried out was to pay tribute to his wife’s wishes and her memory. Further, I think in the beginning, when he had a breakdown on camera talking about her, that was a genuine moment of grief that should not have been aired. Instead, the show exploited it for ratings. Disgusting.

It’s true that the vast majority of evangelicals think it is wrong, but I think Kris definitely falls into the Red Letter Christian camp, one of whose most prominent leaders is Tony Campolo. Tony and his wife Peggy famously disagree with each other about how to view homosexuality, and I have to say, most of the under-35, more liberal evangelicals (check out Jim Wallis of Sojourners for an explanation of that apparent oxymoron) I know are definitely more like Peggy than Tony on this issue. Mind you the Campolos and Jim Wallis are universally decried by the most conservative fundamentalists because they don’t take “God’s Word” literally enough, but whatever.

Divorce, inter-racial marriage, dancing and drinking were, at one time, universally abhorred across the evangelical spectrum. This is no longer the case, and I imagine homosexuality will be accepted across a broad swath of evangelical Christianity in another generation. It will be folks like Kris Allen who make that possible, IMVHO.

I think that ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s really him. I think that some of the Adam fans found out it was him a while back. Maybe it was through his myspace.

The point is, it is still an anonymous posting with no ties to Adam. The poster (whether Neil or not) is not posting pictures of Danny and himself and adding captions to them).

I can belittle anyone I want (except posters) on this forum. I can say whatever I damn well please….and what the hey, I might be related to someone on Idol.

I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think that Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s intentions were meant to be homophobic. I could see where people might say that he was acting clueless or insensitive,not putting the picture away when Adam didnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t seem that comfortable with it. But I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think that he was trying to be homophobic and deliberately hurt Adam because Adam is gay. And I bet if someone asked Adam if that was the case he would say no. And what the cousinà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s friends said on her facebook is not Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s fault.

Sometimes people have some people in their families or friends, that are bigots, or mean people. They shouldnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t be blamed for the stuff that their family members do or say, unless ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s their little kids or something. And they arenà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t disclipining them. But Dannyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s cousin is an adult, her and her friends are responsible for their own actions. Not Danny. And I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think that Danny should have been attacked as much as he was for what he said in his comcast chat. I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think that he was trying to be cruel to gay people.

You don’t know how Adam would feel about it. He might have thought it was totally cool, he might have been really upset, we don’t know. I will say this though – people like Adam often go through life experiencing this kind of passive-aggressive homophobia, so eventually it becomes a sensitive issue. To you or Danny it might not have been a big deal, but to someone who has dealt with it all their lives it can be hurtful. I’m not saying that Adam has, I’m just saying it’s a big possibility.

Look, I really don’t think that Danny was trying to be cruel with his comments/acts either. But that doesn’t make them okay, and I’m not going to sit back and let him talk like that. We made our voices heard, and let him know that we disagree with his point of view.

I think that people want to take a stand on homophobia, they should have done it another way. They ended up making themselves look really bad, IMO. I think that if one of the big media outlets like CNN or something had caught on to this, I believe that the people that had done this would have ended up looking really bad to the general public.

How, exactly? Twitter is completely uncharted territory in that it gives regular people the chance to interact with celebrities on a whole new level, and we used this to our advantage to get our point across. It got out of hand, and perhaps people overreacted, but the main point was still made.

And quite frankly, I don’t really care if people are offended by this. It’s freaking twitter. People who take offence to sh*t-stirrers on the internet need to go out and get themselves some lives. It was seriously not a big deal.

Way worse than they claymates ever did. Because they would have had to get all sides of the stories, including Adamà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s and I would bet cash money that Adam would say that he doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think that Danny is homophobic if asked about it. And that he doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t approve of what these à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“cyber viligantesà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  tried to do.

I don’t know what the Claymates have done, so idk. You actually have no idea what Adam thinks of Danny. Both Adam and Danny have actually said that they “agree to disagree” on certain issues regarding religion, so it’s quite possible that it has something to do with homosexuality. But, like I said, we have no way of knowing.

And he might have thought the situation embarassing like he could have thought that the AT&T thing was. I believe that at the very least he would think it was ridiculous and over the top. I think like tefra mentioned there is more to this story, and if the whole truth comes out, Danny wonà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t end up being the villian that a lot of people claim that he is.

I never said Danny is a villain. I think he made some really homophobic comments and I helped call him on it. I don’t think he’s a bad person in general, I just don’t agree with his views and I wanted to make that known.

You donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t sit a dog at a piano and then beat it because it canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t play, it simply does not have the ability. Expecting Danny to present himself in any other manner than he does, and then punishing him for his shortcomings, is just as unreasonable.

LOL that is very true and the imagine is funny. I agree that Danny may just be as clueless and incompetent as he appears to be and it’s not his fault. BUT, if your dog can’t play a piano – you wouldn’t sit him in front of a piano in a national competition / nationwide television. It’s kinda like that. When you choose to go on American Idol – you really have to be prepared for scrutiny and all the ill that gets tackled on. You just have to be prepared for it.

If you don’t know music and cannot handle the incessant media – you shouldn’t go into entertainment. If you get your foot in your mouth and aren’t PR savvy… please don’t be a politician. =\