ETA: The event has been canceled. A “last minute turn of events” is the reason given. I’m thinking it’s more like “19 said Oh, HELL NO.” It was a nice idea while it lasted…
David Archuleta will be performing a homecoming concert to thank his fans at the E Center in West Valley Utah this Friday, June 6.
He’ll be performing songs and answering fan questions. Tickets go on sale tomorrow through Ticketmaster outlets. Tickets are $1. All proceeds go to charity.
The first part of the TV Guide Up Close interview with Archie is up. Check it out here. David talks about the judges (he could never hear a word they said up on stage) and how he looks forward to making a modern pop album.
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Well, so did I, so that’s ok! Yeah, it’s too bad about Archie. Maybe after the tour he can do something special for the fans back home.
It could be the scale of the planned concert was far larger than the Idol folks were willing to allow before the official tour got underway.
Yes, carried away I see.
I was only trying to point out that it’s lovely to see Cook & Archie sharing the spotlight and that for archie to have so much attention and so many people paying so much attention to him, is well deserved b/c he is, in many people’s eyes, a winner too.
There are reasons he might not have won, but I now that Cook has a lot of fans and he did well in the competition… we can argue til the cows go home (well i will say this one last thing… by all accounts, archie had the blow away performance live during finale night.. it was only b/c the sound wasn’t that impressive on tv that simon retracted.. apparently everybody who was there was truly blown away by archie that night). But I know Cook won and he “deserves” it but Archie is warranted to get the attention he’s getting.. he’s sharing the spotlight but not only that the interviewers are reaping so much attention on him in particular. It’s great, he deserves it. That’s all. Sigh.
Archie, Cookie both are great performers.. They truly deserve what they get at this point. Winners, Runner-ups, who cares…As long as they will be successful in the future with their loyal fans backing them up..
trina
You are confused I think, nygel said he knew the results by 10:30 am the next day that Cook had won!..review your resources!
Mackie
I agree with your post 100%, as well as mrs Castro’s.
Both Davids are great, David A sings better, end of story! To anybody with a trained ear, this will hold true in every sense. Cook played his role really well in AI, maybe not too apparent to viewers who do not read between the lines. Both of them were pimped over the other contestants to great extent and at different moments of the competition.
I believe that David A had the most momentum during the first 4 weeks, both equally in the middle of the show, Cook during the latter part of it, and thanks in great part to HIS overpimping, not David A’s, the last night was clearly David A’s, as it was the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame week, without a doubt.
People, I’d like to believe that we all have a brain and that we “do not just share one”!, Even David A has said repeatedly that it is not only the last performance that counts, but all of htem and how the public perceived them throughout the entire show, he said also that if it is only based in the last night, it wouldn’t be fair to either one, because it would mean that people would not have realized all the hard work both put into the whole season!
American Idol needed to stir up things and get more people to watch, so they benefitted from David A and his high popularity ( like me, I’m 47 and hardly a tween!), once they accomplish that, they needed to do what was on their agenda: Make sure that a rocker won the season!! It was between that or not get to do an extra 2 seasons! Very clear to the naked eye.
I respect how graciously Cook seems to be in sharing the limelight with David A, I just don’t know how genuine it is to be honest. My perception of him getting closer to David A, even on the elimination nights, has been very shady. Cook knows and knew very well, how to be noticed and how to play in front of the cameras. I think he did a great job! He loves the media and he is a great performer, in every sense of the word. But David IS the better singer, he was dealt very bad and vicious cards throughout the show, and Cook seized the day (Carpe Diem), perfect timing, and he had talent that got better during the show.
David A had t endure a lot more, and he did so admirably, specially for a 17 year old. Cook won and he will do well, David A came in second and he will do great! long run future will be more for David A, age factor of course, but mostly, real talent. I give Cook 3 or 4 years max because that is how the media treats the millions of rockers that come out each year, unfortunately!
I reviewed them for her, and sorry, Trina is correct. Here is the direct quote from Nigel on Ryan’s radio show:
Question: I know there have been rumors that Archie will possibly be going to Jive but what is his management situation? Does he have a manager outside of 19 that set this up and then had to backtrack when he realized that 19 still has the upper hand until the tour is over?
I know this is OT, but since everybody else was doing it, what the hell?
I almost fell off my chair laughing when I saw some of the co-winner comments. With the exception of season 2, there are no co-winners. The only reason that season had co-winners was because of the narrow vote margin and it helped that Clay outsold Ruben.
I don’t think “people” think Archie should have won. If they think that, they certainly didn’t show it on itunes. Hell, Cook was able to outsell two of Archie’s new performances with two of his old ones.
IMO, if Jason (or even Syesha) hadn’t been thrown under the bus, Archie wouldn’t even have been in the final 2. It would have been Cook and Castro.
I also laughed when I saw the comment about Archie “sharing” the spotlight with Cookie. That’s an interesting take, but he has actually received no more or less press than any other runner-up (sans Clay). I understand that as a fan, one can have a tendency to overlook faults. I am very willing to admit that Cookie was far from perfect (Hungry Like the Wolf?). But he was far more consistently good than Archie (We Can Work It Out, You’re The Voice, Think of Me, Neil Diamond week as a whole, With You).
AI needed a big winner and so far, Cook is doing just fine. When was the last time a winner’s coronation single was still in the top 5 at itunes two weeks after its release? When was the last time one of those shlock songs actually got airplay? I hear “Magic Rainbow” on the radio several times daily and it is always on the most requested countdown(must be those other “people” who like him doing the requesting, because I haven’t called a radio station in years). If he comes out of the gate with a solid, angsty, pop/rock album with a couple gritty, lung-baring ballads thrown in, he will sell like mad.
IMO, if Archie gets the right material (not always easy for a runner-up), he could pull a Yamin and get a hit song and a gold record. But be a multi-platinum artist in today’s music market? I don’t think so.
Anyway, best of luck to both Cookie (the winner) and Archie (the runner-up).
I think DA has a better shot at career longevity than Cook as well. Cook is a talented performer. I don’t begrudge him of his win. His inventive arrangements have wowed me throughout the season but if you step back and listen to him objectively, he really isn’t all that much different from lots of other rock acts out there. He may have lots of hype and momentum now and he’ll certainly be the best-selling male winner A.I. has had but when all that dies down, DC is pretty much in danger of being lost in the shuffle along with other pop-rock acts.
DA, on the other hand, is still young with a lot of room to grow. I really feel that we’ve only seen just a hint of what this kid is capable of doing on the show. His voice is also quite distinctive. You hear him sing and it’s unmistakable that it’s him. Given the right material and proper guidance and training, the kid can surprise people in the long run since he’ll stand out more in the pop market than Cook can in the rock market.
Oh boy! MJ, I think despite you reminding us not to get carried away, it seems that this never-ending heated discussion on the topic between archie and cookie is never going to end. Can’t everyone just wish both of them the best of luck in their career and stop predicting who is going to be successful and who is not. Both of them have given their everything into the AI show for several months and always praising each other after the show finished. Just give them a break.
Thank you MJ for saving me the trouble of digging up the interview :)
19 must have had a slew of interns sitting on iTunes downloading Cookie’s tracks and ramping up votes on DialIdol to make his victory look legit. Its a conspiracy!!111
I see fan war season has started lol. Its all good, we had two great finalists with great fan bases to see them through. I just wish Archie had signed with Disney instead, if that was possible. Runner up is always held back because TPTB need the winner to be the “winner” in all respects. Song material is never as good for runner up although their press seems to be the same. I like both of them and have downloaded their songs that I liked from Itunes, although I didnt vote. MJ was my fav. They are 2 different styles with different markets to appeal to, so not as much competition to each other in that way. I didnt see anything false or misleading about either. During and after the finale, I gained a lot of respect for the way each handled it. They seem happy with the outcome so why can’t we ?
My last comment in this thread- Arch did repeatedly say Cook deserves to win AI as Cook have proven week after week that he had given the best performances despite Simon saying Arch gave a knockout performance Top 2 Finale night. The I tunes sales also proves this- Cook sales more! I agree with Archie that Cook deserves to win this thing, even he himself sees that. But whatever it is, its not that Arch wants the spotlight of this whole thing. Its AI who plans all these media spotlight on both of them. So don’t blame Archie that he shouldn’t get the spotlight. Geesh..
I have to point out, the night when there was a 1M vote margin between the top 3 vote getters was NOT Top 3 night. Ryan said this on the results night for Top 4/Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. At that time, Syesha was the one woman left vs three guys, and she’d had a big night with the Sam Cooke song. Archie had had a huge night and was told he’d crushed the competition. Cook had a relatively bad night. The fact that there was only 1 M vote margin under those circumstances was bad news for both Archie and Syesha, since that meant it was tight when they both did really well and Cook did badly (and if you look at Dial Idol, Cook won the night by a statistically significant margin over both Archie and Syesha). Also, note that what Ryan says is, the top 3 were separated by 1M votes from each other — which could mean that Cook had a 1M lead over Archie who had a 1M lead over Syesha, which would correspond nicely to the Dial Idol predictions.
The Top 3 night, Ryan said nothing about relative results. DI shows Cook as totally dominant by a huge margin — 10 DI score points over Archie. This is a night where Cook did well and Archie got criticized, so Archie’s fanbase would not have been complacent.
Top 2 night, Cook took an early lead on DI (he was leading by 5-6 points out of the gate), which widened to 12 points over the course of the night. This is confirmed by the final vote results and what we know from Nigel. So even if hardcore Archie fans had gotten complacent and gone to bed (unlikely; these were the people going *door to door* the days before the finale), he was already losing before they ever left.
DA just flat out lost. The Archies both casual and passionate were just significantly outnumbered by the respective groups of Cookies, and the iTunes results bear that out.
That doesn’t mean DA doesn’t have a bright future. The ~44 million votes he got would have won in any other season (right?) and he and Cook are so different that 19E would be dumb not to market them both enthusiastically to their respective markets. It DOES mean that Cook is significantly *more* popular, and his victory wasn’t actually a surprise at all to anyone following the statistics.
(And FWIW, I would bet a lot that Zabasearch is just plain bogus. Their process is obscured and as best I can tell just relies on internet search statistics — ie, how often people are searching for a contestant and/or how many hits they have online, which does not necessarily have any direct relationship to voting for that contestant. They are not actually measuring text messaging (I am pretty sure there is no way anyone COULD do so without AT&T’s cooperation, since the text voting goes entirely within the AT&T network) or phone voting. Dial Idol is the only site that has a transparent and statistically sound process. Even though it only predicts phone votes, there’s no actual evidence to think text votes break in a significantly different way and a lot of evidence that DI gets it right once the # of contestants dwindles.)
Let’s move forward!
DC won. His vocal range and ability to color outside his box handed him the win. Not to mention his charisma - it’s huge !
Archie has serious limitations. He has one constant when singing. Every song sounds the same due to his vocal cord problems. Sad but true. Too many notes he can’t hit.
Archie also lacks confidence when performing (he ups it 10% during interviews but that doesn’t when count when it comes to sales).
astolat — zabasearch is merely a wannabee.
Oh yeah, don’t worry Cook fans, the moment Cook won, all spotlight is on him. This is a radio interview with Archie in which one of the DJs mentioned that he saw Archie after the finale, hanging out by himself while cameras went for Cook.
http://10.130.200.1:3128/ProgressMessages/KZZP_DAVID_ARCHULETA_5-28-08.mp3?proxy=10.130.200.1&action=complete&index=416&id=179200519&filename=KZZP_DAVID_ARCHULETA_5-28-08.mp3
or here http://idolforums.com/index.php?showtopic=562327
I do believe I read somewhere that both Cook and Archuleta are the first and second highest vote getters respectively in “Idol” history. Yes, DA would’ve won easily with 44 million votes if this was any other season.
The 12 million vote difference may SEEM huge but not if taken to account the total number of votes: 97.5 million. Even David Cook himself said that the number is misleading. I read a post by a guy who said he texted 4,000 times in all 4 hours. If 3,000 people did the same, that would total 12 million votes.
I disagree. I’ve listened to a lot of studio versions of his songs. The kid has quite a range. He uses an absolute killer falsetto in the “Love Me Tender” studio version. He’s just not confident with it and seldom uses it. With more experience, he’ll learn.
The tour will take care of that.
pattyb, “David A sings better, end of story”? Spoken like a true Archie fan who’s unwilling to accept runner-up status.
I started out exclusively a fan of David A but Cook got me at “Hello” and wouldn’t let go. :P Towards the end, I couldn’t decide who I wanted to win and was able to come up with reasonable arguments why it would be better for Archie or Cook to win and for the other to finish second. Ultimately, I think it worked out for the best for all involved - Cook, Archie, and both fandoms, though some Archie fans may not be ready to come to that conclusion for a while yet.
pattyb, how is it that you can read David Cook’s thoughts? I don’t think you’re respecting his graciousness of sharing the stage with Archie at all if you feel his befriending David A on stage is “shady”. As for performing in front of cameras and the media, Archie has far greater experience than Cook. Who won Star Search at the age of 12 in front of a national tv audience? Archie was already performing on Jenny Jones and The Early Show 5 years before Cook got the same sort of exposure. I loved Archie’s performances during this season but he most certainly was not “dealt very bad and vicious cards throughout the show”. When he messed up, the judges either ignored the mistakes or gave toned down criticism. Perhaps you can point out the “very bad and vicious cards” he was dealt.
TylerWV, fan wars have always bugged me. Yeah, I realize everyone is entitled to their opinions, but it is possible to cheer for one’s favourite without denigrating someone else, usually the fan-perceived rival. Because I’m often a fan of more than one, I find it difficult at times to slog through fan forum postings that bash the other guy(s). It was like this with AI5 between the fans of Taylor, Elliott and Chris, with Rock Star INXS between the fans of JD and Marty and now between Cook and Archie fans.
I have to address this comment of yours. This might be the case if both winner and runner-up were signed to the same label and were the same style of singer, but neither scenario is ever the case.
In season 1, AI had no clue what they were doing and fumbled the ball for both Kelly and Justin. Kelly’s career recovered; Justin’s never did. In season 2, there certainly was no “holding back” of Clay in favour of Ruben. In fact, AI seemed eager to promote them both out of the gate. In season 4, I think Carrie was fortunate that Clive Davis admitted to being clueless about country music and let real country music producers handle her debut CD. Regrettably, he didn’t take such a hands-off approach with Bo, who ended up with a watered down pop-rock concoction bought mostly by just Bo’s AI fans but shunned by non-AI-watching rock fans. Instead of learning his lesson, in season 5, Clive again exerted his influence over the winner’s CD, resulting in Taylor’s rather bland post-Idol album that pales in comparison to his earlier work. I guess he was too busy messing up Taylor’s CD to involve himself much in Daughtry’s, for which Chris will probably be eternally grateful.
David Archuleta is the better vocalist. David Cook is the better performer.
Rock is the popular genre at the moment so of course David Cook is the more popular and probably his album will sell gajillions.
David Archuleta fans, do not get discouraged. DA has great potential. It is better to be under-rated. I think he is going to surprise a lot of people.
I wish David Cook all the best.
David A, I can’t wait for your album.
Boy these posts have devolved, that’s for sure.
The original point is, even though DC won, DA deserves just as much spotlight as he does… I don’t CARE about the vote count, and all this nonsense talk, in the end. It’s not really the point I was initially trying to make. I just had a hard time swallowing that a cookie would actually have a problem that DA was getting so much attention in their joint appearances.. or have a problem with the appearances together in the first place, b/c as your fellow cookies have said… it’s not that unusual. What is unusual and very deserved is the quality of attention he is getting. Nobody is treating him like the runner up, they are treating him like he could have very well won (and acknoweldging left & right that the public thought he was going to win), and it’s great b/c Archie deserves it. I was watching idol tonight before the results show, and i think 99% of the people who were interviewed (famous people) said they thought Archie had it in the bag. I am not saying that 99% of them were his fan or supporter, but they admitted he really blew the audience away and he sure seemed to have it in the bag. So, after he didn’t win, all the attention that was given to him in the joint appearances was b/c he was a winner in a lot of people’s eyes. Honestly, this isn’t up for argument b/c it’s just the way it came down to it in the end, and how I saw it on tv with my very own eyes. And, my point is, he deserves it.
Astolat,
I didn’t take the 1 million vote comment to mean there was 1 million between each of them.. he said it as if there was 1 million voting separating all three together.
Ouch. This is my first time dealing with the contestants’ fan factions and it looks like it has potential to turn all kinds of ugly.
I’m sorry for the Archie fans that his show was canceled. Hopefully, it’ll be rescheduled.
Now I think I’ll slowly back out of this thread, lol.
That’s how I took it.
That has more to do with Simon’s declaration of a “knockout” than people believing he deserved it. Public perception is easily swayed. What MJ said about how Cook’s lead going into the finale having to be huge is true.
This is why they announced the vote totals– so that people would know that Cook’s victory was not an upset at all.
2 more points:
1- Archie is an incredibly gifted singer and seems like a great (albeit goofy) kid.
2- They were both pimped. In fact, Cookie was the only one given a standing O by Randy. It was Cook that was proclaimed as “(I feel like I’m looking at) the American Idol right there,” “the person who could win the whole thing,” and if the show remains a talent competition, versus a popularity contest- the winner.”
Speaking of fan wars. We don’t do that here. When I ask folks to get back on track, I mean it, OK?
The dead horse. It is beaten. Now, either get back on track, or I’m going to close comments in this thread.
Oh BY THE WAY. When I ban someone, it’s not a CUE to rejoin with a new name and continue the same shenanigans.
A tip: It doesn’t take me long to figure that crap out.