Idol Headlines for 10/21/08

David Cook Sings About Brother, Adam Cook, on New Album

David Cook, American Idol and Blue Springs native, doesn’t shy away from too many personal conversations. He readily admits the absurdity of parts of his star status. He tells interviewers about his current crush, former American Idol contestant, Kimberly Caldwell. But, one person he usually stays quite about is his brother, Adam Cook, who is battling brain cancer.

My Fox KC.com

Leo, Cameron Diaz In Hollywood Shuffle

Thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s big news in the Hollywood management world this morning. Rick Yorn, who manages Leonardo DiCaprio and Cameron Diaz among others, has broken with Jeff Kwatinetzà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s agency called The Firm.

Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not a total surprise: I told you on September 10, 2007 that Yorn was negotiating to leave The Firm and take his clients with him. As it turns out, heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s decided simply to start his own Firm.

When I wrote about The Firm breaking up last year, two things were happening: Kwatinetz had had two major disasters. One was with singer Kelly Clarkson, who released an album despite her labelà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s advice not to do it. At the same time, Britney Spears made her unfortunate appearance on the MTV Music Awards.

Fox News

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Clinton, Sting, Trudi Styler Honored At Oceanaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s Partners Award Gala

The 2008 Oceana Partners Award Gala was held in Los Angeles Saturday evening in honor of former President Bill Clinton, Sting, and his wife Trudi Styler. On hand to celebrate were a number of famous faces such as Ted Danson & Mary Steenburgen, Barbara Streisand and James Brolin, Dustin Hoffman, Pierce Brosnan and Keely Shaye Smith, Diane Keaton, Kirsten Dunst, Adrian Grenier, Katharine McPhee, Zach Braff, Melissa George, Rosanna Arquette, Kristin Chenoweth, Arriana Huffington, Laura Dern and Ben Harper, Norman Lear, Sarah Paulsen, Laird Hamilton, Sugar Ray Leonard, Karina Petroni and Lisa Anderson.

Ecorazzi

`Whatever you do, Jennifer, don’t hit anyone’

But for Hudson, who plays the defiant housekeeper Rosaleen Daise in The Secret Life of Bees, the filmmaker devised a particularly effective preparatory experience. Looking to instil in the Chicago-born actor the anger and humiliation of a young black woman in the segregated South, she sent her and Dakota Fanning off to a drugstore with a list of items to buy.

To Hudson she said, “Whatever you do, Jennifer, don’t hit anyone.”

The Star

Reba McEntire and Kelly Clarkson

The Reese’s Peanut Butter Cup analogy cited by some people to describe the Reba McEntire-Kelly Clarkson joint concert on Friday night fit very well.

The two women might have different flavors, but when you merge them, you get an unexpected and delicious combo. Middle-aged country queen McEntire and 20-something pop princess Clarkson spent the entire concert onstage together, with each singer having some kind of presence in the other’s songs. Some they sang together as a duet, while with others, one woman sang background vocals for the other’s solo hit.

Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

‘Argument’ With Fantasia Turns Golden

While putting together her self titled debut, Jennifer Hudson had some trouble piecing together an argument -or- shall we say a ‘soulful throwdown’.

That ..’throwdown’ was “I’m His Only Woman,” a duet that she had envisioned singing with Whitney Houston or Fantasia Barrino.

So what’s a girl to do when you want the hottest track ever?

Hudson nabbed the advice of Missy Elliott.

Singersroom

Carrie Underwood brings country, sort of, to the city

Carrie Underwood’s first album, 2005′s Some Hearts, is the fastest-selling country debut in history. In her brief career, the 25-year-old American Idol winner, described as “a superstar who’s won every award in sight,” has hobnobbed with Ryan Seacrest and Oprah Winfrey, hugged African children on an A.I. charity special, and graced the covers of “just about every magazine out there,” including Cosmopolitan, Entertainment Weekly and In Style.

Philly.com

Simon Cowell’s ‘long-term’ lover

Simon Cowell and Terri Seymour are not splitting up.

The music mogul’s brother Tony – who made the revelation in a new interview to promote his spoof book ‘The Secret Diary of Simon Cowell’ – claims the couple have learnt to compromise over Simon’s reluctance to start a family.

Tony said: “It’s very difficult for Terri, as she would like to have a child and spend more time with him, but he will never want to marry or have children and she has learnt to accept that now.

MyParkMag.co.uk

Simon Cowell XPOSED! the 10 things he REALLY, REALLY doesn’t want you to know

Can you imagine what X Factor’s Simon Cowell was like as a lad?

If you are thinking of a fondness for mirrors and an acid tongue, you are not far from the truth.

There’s one man who really knows – Simon’s older brother Tony who grew up with the music mogul in Elstree, Herts.

With a dancer for a mother and a music executive for a father, showbiz was in Simon’s blood.

But that’s not the whole story. Here, in an exclusive interview, Tony reveals 10 REAL things you never knew about the 47-year-old multi-millionaire.

mirror.co.uk

SIMON COWELL – COWELL DENIES RETIREMENT PLANS

Music mogul SIMON COWELL has denied he plans to quit showbusiness next year (09) when he reaches the age of 50.
The American Idol judge previously stated that he plans to step out of the spotlight after he reaches the milestone birthday in October 2009. But now, the star has backtracked – insisting he is to carry on with his reality show projects.
Cowell’s spokesman Max Clifford says, “Simon’s not going anywhere. He’s told me he’ll go on and on. And so he should.”

contactmusic.com

Dancing With(out) the Stars

If “Dancing With the Stars” is really all about the dance competition, 82-year-old Cloris Leachman already would be eliminated. But, like gymnastics and figure skating, dancing is about subjectivity and entertainment value and maybe even crooked judging (in the way that fans can vote early and often for their favorite).

LA Times

Dancing With The Stars: Week 5

The folks down at Dancing With The Stars had something a little different for us this week. Keeping things new and interesting, it was time to debut four new dances. The hustle, jitterbug, salsa, and west coast swing were all brand new to the show. With eight couples, and four styles, the stage was set for four showdowns as we saw each style twice, back to back. The results ran the gamut, from outstanding (29), to could have been better (21). A look at all of the performances, and another instance of insane scoring, is after the jump.

TV Squad

‘Dancing With the Stars’: Swingtown

I wonder if, a few years ago, Warren Sapp could have imagined that a sexy Australian dancer babe would one day chirp at him to ”Do the hustle!” à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  you know, instead of a gnarly coaching staff barking gruffly at him in unison to, like, literally hustle. I bet he’d have retired a lot sooner. Last night, Dancing With the Stars introduced four new dances à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  the hustle, the West Coast Swing, the salsa, and the jitterbug à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬’  to the ballroom. DANCMSTR Len Goodman had warned us last week that the judges would be emphasizing performance over technique. That was nice for them, but with only a half-baked explanation of the new dances from DANCMSTR, involving the footwork-unspecific terms ”oooooooooooh” and ”zowie wowie,” we viewers didn’t really know what we were looking at, or for, with these performances. (Then again, honestlyà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦do we ever?)

Entertainment Weekly

  • ozarka

    HERE is David Archuleta’s radio interview at Star 94.1 FM in Seattle yesterday. It was way too short.

    HERE is a video of the meet and greet pizza party at that radio station. It almost looks like he’s the only one who didn’t get any pizza. Maybe he wants to keep his pearly whites gleaming for all the cameras.

    HERE is a gallery of 147 photos of his visit to the station.

  • frogcooke

    that was san diego yesterday lol

    He just got done with Seattle right now. It was awesoem!! hahaha they had a video stream too. Talking about allsorts of stuff and he was pimping out cooks cd lol talked about his album, his retarded laugh and not picking his nose(he uses toilet paper).

    lol Cant wait for the mp3 version and hopefully the vid is up later

  • ozarka

    Sorry, I stand corrected… it was San Diego. Thanks Froggie. Today he will be in Seattle. Did he really talk about all that stuff? I can’t wait to see that video.

  • mac

    “Light On” finally showed up on mediabase at number 50. Now we can track the daily progress. Congratulations Cook for having two songs now in the top 50!!!!!

  • Autumn

    Is there an article about David Archuleta up there? I don’t see it…………

  • frogcooke

    http://www.snarkyarchies.com/2008/10/david-in-seattle-sorta-live-blogging.html

    sort of ‘live’ blogging from the seattle interview. lots of screencaps and soem comments as it goes lol
    ————-
    some info about Touch My Hands:

    “They just played Touch My Hands. He didn’t write it, but it was written for him. They kinda wrote it because of things he said, during another song he recorded with them. The people who wrote it wrote stuff for Natasha Bedinjfield.”

  • Autumn

    David Cook says “But, what you can’t say, sometimes you can sing.” I like that line. Really looking forward to Permanant!

  • frogcooke

    the audio is for the interview in seattle is now up at snarkys link above.

    ETA: there is a little audio clip on the site but the download is the interview at 19 mb

  • ozarka

    Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s been officially announced that David Archuleta will be performing at the Q102 Jingle Ball 2008 near Philadelphia on December 14th. Actually the venue is in Camden, New Jersey, but ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s just a hop, skip and a jump from Philadelphia, PA. Scheduled to perform on the same stage are Jesse McCartney, Katy Perry, Shontelle, Lady Gaga, the Pussycat Dolls, and Metro Station.

    Also officially announced and advertised is Davidà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s performance at the KISS 98.5 Kissmas Bash in Buffalo, NY, on December 9th. The other performers scheduled to appear are Boys Like Girls, Metro Station, Brandy, and Shontelle.

    Below is a listing of his other December Tour engagementsà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦

    December 3rd: KDND 107.9 Jingle Ball in Sacramento, CA.
    December 17th: Star 94 Jingle Jam in Atlanta, GA.
    December 12th: Z100 Jingle Ball in Madison Square Garden, NY. (this one is not yet officially announced)

  • Autumn

    I may have to get Tony Cowell’s book. Simon may play the ass on Tv but I am personally a fan. The man knows what makes money and he does it well.

  • frogcooke

    New alloy blog: http://www.alloy.com/blog/5/108/

    Then I’ve just been doing more recording, LOL, which is mainly just redoing parts of songs and touching up. We’ve been wrapping that up, though, to start doing final mixes for all the songs, which is happening any day now. So I’m pretty excited about that too because I can’t wait to hear all the songs I’ve been recording as finished tracks. “Crush” has been the only song that has had the mastered mix, so I can hardly wait for the rest. It’s craaazzyyy!

    ———————————
    also info on the interivew he call into for today, The End.

    They had a bad connection. He could barely hear them.

    They asked him if he had a girlfriend, and we all know the answer.

    They also asked who the last person he dated was. He said he didn’t want to name any names. The DJs said Miley Cyrus and he was “Aha, no.” He just said he dated just for fun and it was nothing serious. They asked where he went and he said the Cheesecake Factory.

    They told him the lineup for Jingle Ball, and he got excited. He’s definitely going, btw, and he’s really excited because Sacramento was one of his favorite tour stops.

    They asked him if he could guess who people were most excited about seeing at Jingle Ball, and he said “No” because he so knew the answer and then they told him it was him.

    So many questions, but he couldn’t hear them, so not many answers!”

  • frogcooke

    well apparently he will be at the houston jingle ball too, found this at snarkys:

    Do You Want To Come Face To Face With David Archuleta?
    The Bert Show is going to get you up close and personal with David Archeleta. It’s a once in a lifetime meeting with David himself. We are flying you and a guest to see David’s show in Houston (with Rihanna, Colbie Caillat and Gavin DeGraw) on December 7th. Not only are you going to the concert but we guarantee you will come face to face and meet David Archuleta!

    First you have to prove that you are a HUGE fan. Do anything you have to do to convince us….make a video, email us a poem, send pictures of your Archuleta Shrine or send a marching band to the studio! ANYTHING to prove your point! Your Deadline is noon on Thursday. But whatever you do, be sure to include all of your contact info because you never know if we’ll be calling you!

    Email the Bert Show at Tracey@allthehitsq100.com

  • ozarka

    Wow! You’re kidding! That’s great news for me! I didn’t even know there was such a thing as a Houston Jingle Ball!

    Check out Archie’s bro, Daniel Archuleta, singing Jason Mrazà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m Yoursà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ …
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHOnog3liaM

    Looks like the music gene runs in the family. I think he’s got lots of potential. I can picture him touring with David sometime in the future, maybe as a backup singer or even doing duets together. I believe his only 14 years old right now, but doesn’t he look older than David? His personality seems different as well.

  • redridinghood

    LO is climbing up on itunes (#78 now). Is that because of the album pre-order thing? Cos I thought that would count towards the album sale.

    And another question, in itunes, can a pre-order be cancelled?

  • kathrynTX

    YAY Light On is back in iTunes AND you can pre-order the album. I wonder if LO single sales were affected by the glitches over the past weekend? I think they count single sales as single sales only and album sales as album sales only, even if the album contains a single. Yes, you can manage your pre-orders in your iTunes account. Just go to view your account and I believe it’s actually a button on the main screen, MANAGE PREORDERS.

  • frogcooke

    I think the single LO from the album pre-orders are counting towards the singles sales. As some have said they get charged for the single when you go to preorder the album.

    I assume when the album drops it will be similar to one of those ‘complete my album’ things on itunes in regards to having LO now and downloading the rest when its available. Which takes away from the single sales total once you complete the album but the historic charts will stay the same for the single sales. Its a bit confusing but I think thats how the are handling the pre-order and LO download.

  • elisad

    Yes it can be cancelled any time. It’s too hard for me to explain the pre-order thing with my broken english, but pro-orders are counted on both charts. It’s an iTunes thing.

    Aw, Daniel Archuleta is not nearly as talented as his brother. I hope people can quit covering this song already… One of the few Jason songs I don’t like…

  • Jabkmc

    Here’s the missing first paragraph to Archie’s new Alloy.com blog.

    Hey all! This week has been fun so far, haha. Last Friday, I got to go to Tampa, Florida to sing “God Bless America” at the Rays vs. Red Sox game. It’s been a while since I’ve sung that song, so it was really neat to sing it at my first performance at a baseball game. My brother got to come down with us to the game because he’s a huge baseball fan, so it was cool to spend some more time together.

  • Michelle

    I guess Archie is still in San Diego? He has another in-studio interview up from this morning. There’s a link on the station’s front page. It’s a fair length so that should make up for what I guess was a short interview at Star 94.1 yesterday.

    I’m listening to it right now…they chitchat about stalkery fans, sudden fame, a tour (?), THE tour, his management (when asked to namedrop some other famous ppl who share his mgmt, he rather adorably pauses and goes “…all of them?”), David Cook, his album, the new judge on AI… good stuff :)

    LOL his giggle–

    And, Slezak names the Davids his Entertainers of the Year over at EW.com. Oh look, an EW Idol article that doesn’t try to stir up a fanwar :D

  • frogcooke

    lol michelle.. @ the EW.

  • Trina

    Obama on SNL Weekend Before Election?

    I heard from one of Sarahà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s aides this morning that at the obligatory SNL after party, a slightly affected Seth Meyers blurted out something to the effect of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦yeah, but just wait til you see what we have cooked up for Obamaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s appearance right before the election.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  You may remember that Obama à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“canceledà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  his appearance on the show on opening night because of Hurricane Ike. But sources now say that it could have been a ploy cooked up by Lorne Michaels and David Axelrod to save Obama for the November 1st showà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ right before the election.

    Please, please, please, please let this happen! :jittery_tb:

  • frogcooke

    I think that radio sophie interview was after the star interview yesterday.. hes got the same shirt on in the pic. He’s on his way to chicago and milwauke now

  • mac

    I wonder if LO single sales were affected by the glitches over the past weekend?

    I think glitches are there with the album now. I tried to pre-order David’s album yesterday and I had problems. It downloaded Light On, but I see no record of my pre-order and I don’t see a “Manage My Preorders” button on my account page. I emailed iTunes about the problem.

  • Michelle

    Trina, I am crossing fingers and toes for that to happen!!!

  • frogcooke

    Evidently Kara wrote a song on his album and did backup vocals for it too. Cool

  • elisad

    Aww… I was hoping for Joe the Senator. He’s the only one who’s never been on SNL. (McCain even co-hosted once.) Obama will do too, but you betcha it would not get higher rating than the Palin one LOL.

    Mac, I had the same problem. I just pre-ordered again, when it tells you you’ve already bought it just ignore that, then it’s all good. And I only have one pre-order.

    frogcooke, no, that’s not what I’m talking about. Yesterday or before when iTunes was really wonky and at that time they put up the pre-order, some people did and also got LO, but never get charged for it, or really “pre-ordered” it, i.e. no “Manage Pre-orders” button under “Account”.

  • frogcooke

    eli.. the already bought thing is probably because you already have LO and it automatically downloads LO lol

  • frogcooke

    Angels is up on RateTheMusic.com

  • maturin

    On Light On orders, I wonder how they will straighten out both the payments and the charts for purchase of the single and the album.

    I know I should have waited till hearing all the probs were cleared up, but eagerness got the better of me.

    I clicked through from the link on this site, then the Cook banner currently at the top of the iTunes home page. Like other people, once I clicked “pre-order” album it did give me the confusing message “You already own this” (I own the single), but when I hit continue it went ahead, and I now have the “manage pre-order” tab with on my account page saying I have preordered the album.

    However, for albums where you already own the single, “Complete an album” is supposed to kick in and deduct 99 cents from the album price for each single you already own. Instead, my account says it charged me for one more single (.99) instead of the cost of the album 9.99 minus .99 for the first purchase of LO.

    I’ll check back to see if this gets updated.

  • mac

    Mac, I had the same problem. I just pre-ordered again, when it tells you youà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve already bought it just ignore that, then ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s all good. And I only have one pre-order.

    Thanks elisad. I will try it again. I was afraid to because I didn’t want to have two copies on pre-order.

    frogcooke, you’re right about the already bought message. It threw me at first because I thought it meant that I had already downloaded the album, but I think you are right and it is referring to Light On already being purchased. iTunes has made this sort of bad. I use iTunes all the time, but I was confused by their messages. Plus, having to do it twice, seems confusing also. Hopefully people won’t get discouraged from pre-ordering the album, or think they did pre-order it, when in fact, they didn’t (having to click pre-order twice).

    Oh well, iTunes did post a nice BIG picture of Cook on their main page, so I might forgive them.

  • Michelle

    I tried preordering DC’s album again this morning just to see what would happen…I still don’t have a “Manage preorders” or whatever button in my account, and it doesn’t show up in my purchases. But I don’t think I have extra LO’s around either, maybe at least they’ve fixed that!

    I made an mp3 of the snippet of Archie’s “Angels” from that ratethemusic survey…if this is inappropriate let me know and I’ll delete. LOL come on universe, throw some Cookie crumbs my way too!

  • dante

    forgcookie – Where is Angels on ratethemusic.com? I can’t find it. Thanks

  • ozarka

    OhmygoshAshley!!! There’s another music survey at Rate The Music of David A’s music. I’m listening to Angels right now. That’s the first song. Talk to you later.

    ETA: Unfortunately, that was the only song being surveyed. It’s a 1:33 minute snippet. It sounded awesome!

  • cheese

    Archie’s new version of Angels sounds great – I like that 100 times more than Crush and 1,000 more than the other songs that leaked, probably because he kept the vocal so simple.

  • frogcooke

    Cheese, Im loving that version of Angels, even though Ive heard every tour version and the ai one. I really like the production on it.

  • kathrynTX

    I know this isn’t the iTunes help desk blog…. On my account, when I go to View My Account, about the 3rd little section has the Purchase History button. Right below that is the Manage Preorders button. It only shows up if you HAVE any Preorders though. Other than THAT, Light On is back up to about #78 on the Top 100, up from 98 this past weekend. AND the new record is #7 in the Top Albums on iTunes. WOOHOO! YAY Cook! And the David Cook Band. hee.

    When I pre-ordered the album, I did get a message that I had already purchased “this song.” I said buy anyway. Then it told me the song had been purchased but not downloaded. So I checked for available downloads. Oh looky, NONE! WTF? WHATEVER. I just made sure that I had David Cook, The Album, pre-ordered! And I got no additional copies of LO with that purchase, btw. In my history, I have 1 copy of LO and 2 gifts, which is exactly what I bought.

    Well. I can’t wait to hear ALL the songs on the new album, and especially the ones David mentioned as some of his faves. I bet he loves them ALL though. I hope.

  • IGetCranked

    That minute and a half clip of Angels packs a punch. Brittany and Rhianna need to get off my radio. THIS is singing.

  • maturin

    I got one part of the billing question answered. It seems that normally, if you preorder an album that has one single already availabl, you are charged the cost of one single (the item that downloads right away) and then not charged for the rest of the album until the whole thing is available. So on album release day, all they have to do is combine applying that standard with “complete an album” logic, and it will all be reconciled! I’m certain! Frig it, at least I get my Cooke album and extra track.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    I just posted “Angels” out front.

  • Layla

    I heard from one of Sarahà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s aides this morning that at the obligatory SNL after party, a slightly affected Seth Meyers blurted out something to the effect of à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦yeah, but just wait til you see what we have cooked up for Obamaà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s appearance right before the election.à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  You may remember that Obama à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“canceledà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬  his appearance on the show on opening night because of Hurricane Ike. But sources now say that it could have been a ploy cooked up by Lorne Michaels and David Axelrod to save Obama for the November 1st showà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ right before the election.

    Please, please, please, please let this happen!

    I have to second this! Please Please Please please! And right before the election!

  • KarenLE67

    I was having the same confusion with iTunes as others have mentioned and only got automatic (useless) responses form support. I was afraid I was ordering half a dozen copies, so I appreciated the info posted here about clicking through all the “you already own this” nonsense. For those still having problems, if you are successful in pre-ordering, you will get a page specifially saying that you have successfully pre-ordered and when you check your account the “manage pre-orders” button will be there.

  • GEEK4VOCAB

    You’re right, soundscene. David Cook would hate that email. What are they thinking?

  • mac

    I am not seeing anything wrong with that statement from RCA soundscene. What do you think is wrong with it? I am reading it like the fans voted for David to be the American Idol, and he wants to prove to them that he will not let them down and prove to them that they didn’t waste their time voting for nothing and that they made the right choice. I am reading it as he does not want to let the viewers down.

    Not understanding all the “UGHs”.

  • idolfan86

    soundscene, what can you say? rca is desperate. cant let cook be outsold by the runnerup again. lol

  • soundscene

    I deleted the comment because I think it’s too volatile of a topic.

  • idolfan86

    i dont see what was wrong with your post…it just showed the email. cant we talk about it? i know fanwars are bad but rca itself is trying to start one. but desperate times call for desperate measures. they gotta drag up a competition that ended 5 months ago just so they can *remind* us who really won. cause apparently we dont remember? lol ok then…

  • soundscene

    i dont see what was wrong with your postà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦it just showed the email. cant we talk about it? desperate times call for desperate measures.

    The internet is both big and small. This is one topic I think I’ll pass on here. I’ve said enough on another board. But if somebody wants to repost, that’s cool.

  • ianamy

    lol why can’t you post the email? Everyone in US with an itunes subscription is getting one. RCA, is desperate, pathetic, epic fail, and all that. They must be so stressed with Cook’s sales.

    New Music Tuesday email from iTunes:

    “The Battle of the Davids” was one of American Idol’s fiercest competitions ever, as David Cook ultimately outlasted his younger competitor to win it all. With his self-titled debut, the rock-oriented vocalist is out to prove that viewers made the right choice. Pre-order the album on iTunes and get the pre-order-only track “My Last Request” when the album is released on November 18 and the single “Light On” will begin to download immediately.

  • maturin

    Both of the top two are having a great fall and a great week.

    The snippets from Archie’s album sound amazing. Maybe he’ll bring Angels the radio success in the US it never had when sung by Robbie Williams. The upcoming SNL live performance for Cook is naturally exciting to people who enjoy him. Neither the singers nor their fans write marketing copy. Copywriters do that, and they often reach for the easiest storyline. The singers know they’re part of a contest, which will inevitably result in . . . results, I highly doubt they take offense at every reference to the fact. Each of them has been so gracious all year about the other.

    The backers of the show, artists’ managers, and labels must be rubbing their corporate hands in glee at having such a successful start for their top two, each of who have had a hit single, gotten overwhelmingly positive press, and each of whom have plenty of promising signs for their about-to-drop albums.

  • mac

    11 “Adds” for LO on AllAccess for top 40. Really great!

  • Jlyn

    OK. You all are going to have to explain something to me. I’m a casual fan. I’ve watched Idol since the beginning but this is my first time following anything online. I don’t follow fansites and usually just check in here to see news once a week. (I’m American but not living in the US right now, which is why I’m following Idol via the internets for the first season.) It has been an interesting experience. Can anyone tell me why it is bad for itunes to remind people in the marketing email that they sent out, emails they send out for lots of artists (as my inbox can verify), just who the hell David Cook is? Folks, most people just don’t care. They watched Idol while paying bills and folding the laundry. Large portions of the audience only saw a few episodes, the Battle of the David finale being the most memorable. Most people, even if they liked either David aren’t waiting with baited breathe for their albums, if reminded they will buy, if they get around to it. Is basic marketing 101, Hey! remember this guy! You liked him, you really liked him! really all that mysterious?

  • cheese

    Wait, RCA has minions writing copy for iTunes e-mails? I did not know that.

  • spritely

    Plus being #1 in adds for HAC!

    One of the things I’ve liked and admired most about the Davids is how they take pleasure in each other’s success, and promote each other generously every chance they get. It’s a sign of fine character to be able to be celebrate other people’s happiness. Good for them. I couldn’t be prouder of both of them if they were my own sons.

  • Deejay

    lol why canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t you post the email? Everyone in US with an itunes subscription is getting one. RCA, is desperate, pathetic, epic fail, and all that. They must be so stressed with Cookà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s sales.

    I know, right?! I’m literally pulling out my hair as I watch TOML go platinum! FOR SHAME, COOK! Those sales are abysmal. I don’t think I can bear to watch you epicly fail all over Saturday Night Live on Nov. 1!

  • jenni

    Jlyn,

    You completely nailed it. The American viewing audience has the attention span of a goldfish on crack sometimes. Case and point: I was a viewer of most past seasons and I pretty much forgot, until the VMAs and a little incident with a promise ring, who won last year. I get years and contestants screwed up all the time and I actually watch the damn thing. The email made no value judgments; it just said that the guy won and that he wanted to show the people who voted for him that he deserved their votes. Not even that he DID deserve their votes but only that he wanted to convince people that he did. So really, I don’t see the big deal either.

    I think we forget because we actually frequent a website devoted to a show that ended 5 months ago that the rest of the world doesn’t and that the majority of the universe went on their way and, now that albums are coming close to release dates, can use the reminder. I’m sure that every Idol contestant that releases an album, whether in November or in the future, will name-check the show. Maybe they’ll talk about how far they came in the competition or maybe about a shocking and supposedly unfair elimination (see: Johns, Michael). It’s not a bad thing to remind people of those trigger memories associated with Idol, like a win or a placement.

    I think they’ll both do well and that they’ll both be promoted well. They should be; they both deserve it.

  • http://www.myspace.com/swood1104 Sarah

    Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m literally pulling out my hair as I watch TOML go platinum! FOR SHAME, COOK! Those sales are abysmal.

    And for a throwaway coronation song, at that. OMG, don’t those things usually go like triple platinum? What a waste of money and votes on David Cook. I should have been voting for Kristy Lee.

  • Trina

    Plus being #1 in adds for HAC!

    A sure sign of desperation. RCA must have paid those stations since he’s such an epic failure.

    Actually I’m also thinking not only did RCA pay Lorne Michaels a crapload of money to make sure DC got on SNL but I bet they used all their money and power to ensure Obama makes a cameo on the same episode to ensure big ratings :laugh_tb: Obviously the biggest sign of desperation!

    In all seriousness, what’s the big deal about RCA spending a lot of money promoting him? I agree the wording in the iTunes mail was bad, but everything else, so what? He’s their winner, he sold a shitload of downloads over the course of the season and his coronation song is turning out to to be probably the biggest one to date. Maybe they can afford to spend a little. I wish Taylor had this much effort put into him.

  • jpfan

    There’s nothing wrong in sending out e-mails, paying for ads on I-tunes, having a big shot direct your video, etc. The only problem will be for David Cook since the artist picks up 50% of those promotional costs. And if Blake was out $100K for the crap video he put out, I can’t imagine what Cook’s will cost.

    I’ve followed Idol for three seasons and this is the most aggressive marketing ever for a winner. Maybe Jordin got the same promo but I just didn’t notice. I don’t remember an Idol album every going on pre-sale on iTunes for example. However, big however, the industry has changed considerably in those three years as in it’s fallen off a cliff. So the marketing for Cook is probably the way all albums get marketed these days.

    I don’t think the RCA e-mail is a big deal. Although why bring up the Davids when Cook has so many record breaking achievements to boast of. In the end, it’s just an e-mail and no big deal.

  • Deejay

    Anyway, those backing Cook are doing their jobs. He did win the show after all. The promo goes along with that. That’s why people want to win. But Archie’s getting a lot of promo himself. There’s nothing to be concerned about, as there’s plenty of room for both.

    I don’t think bringing up the battle of the Davids in that promo was necessary, as the battle is now over, but…it’s not a big deal. Their target markets are different. Again, room for both. :thumbup_tb:

  • soundscene

    Sorry MJ for originally posting the email. This is what I wanted to avoid here.

    For the record, I said absolutely nothing bad about Cook in my original post. I like the guy and I want him to succeed. I just don’t want to get into this particular topic because I realized (too late) that it would turn out bad.

  • http://www.myspace.com/swood1104 Sarah

    Although why bring up the Davids when Cook has so many record breaking achievements to boast of.

    Yeah, jpfan, that’s really the only thing that bothers me. I get weekly reminders from Amazon and iTunes about albums that are available for pre-order, purchase, whatever, so I really see absolutely no problem with an email letting iTunes users know that David Cook’s album is available for presale. That’s the way business is done these days it seems.

    But the drudging up the old fanwars shit? That’s not cool, RCA.

  • http://www.myspace.com/gwendolyndiane GwendolynD

    Not the desperate marketing tactics again. Say it ain’t so! Please, say it ain’t so!!

    BTW, David’s pre-orders have pushed the album to #7 overall and #2 on Pop at iTunes.

    What a waste of money and votes on David Cook. I should have been voting for Kristy Lee.

    ROFL!!!

  • JOJOSIE

    I have ordered from i-Tunes and haven’t gotten an E-mail but even if I did I would think much of it, I get promotional e-mails alot. I just consider it junk mail. Do any of you know if getting downloads from Amazon with Pepsi Points count? I have already purchased Cook’s LO on iTunes but it’s also available with Pepsi Points and he’s on the banner there. Great SNL may be coming with both Obama and Cook. Two of my favorites. Lots of good news out there.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    For the record, I said absolutely nothing bad about Cook in my original post. I like the guy and I want him to succeed. I just donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t want to get into this particular topic because I realized (too late) that it would turn out bad.

    The fall partisan fan wars are worse than politics, I swear. It’s ridiculous. Anyway, I just went ahead an deleted your entire post, until I realized it was way too late for that!

    Since the cat is out of the bag, is it too late to ask to have a rational discussion about this? You know, a discussion that doesn’t devolve into petty bickering?

  • soundscene

    Anyway, I just went ahead an deleted your entire post, until I realized it was way too late for that!

    Yeah, I actually modified to say nothing a minute after I posted it, but it was too late.

  • wordnerdarchie

    Thereà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s nothing wrong in sending out e-mails, paying for ads on I-tunes, having a big shot direct your video, etc.

    I’m not going to comment on the I-Tunes e-mail. I don’t know who’s responsible for the content. However, there was a discussion elsewhere regarding what determines which artists get featured on I-Tunes’ home page. The following link was posted which sheds some light on this subject, which I thought was interesting and informative.

    http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB117340340327331757-OZTwdOgBiRz0flPHET_MBcnOfmc_20080308.html?mod=blogs

    Apparently the Record companies have less control than we think, and I-Tunes appears to be in the drivers seat, with the record companies needing to make concessions.

  • hypertwink

    There’s a David vs. David iMix so maybe, it’s not RCA but iTunes that was the leading creative force of the email. Maybe.

  • Jlyn

    jenni, Your S6 example (forgetting about it) reminded me of my S5 experience, which I think is an example of most AI watchers. I liked S5, I watched, I liked Daughtry best, I didn’t really care who won. I read the fall EW music issue and saw that he had an album coming out, I thought, hey I should check that out. I forgot. The weeks between me reading the article and the issue of the album were apparently too many for me to remember. In the interim I didn’t listen to the radio (I don’t live in the States.) I completely forgot, and didn’t know he was a hit until my husband downloaded a couple of his songs on the ipod he got me for my birthday around the time of the S6 finale.

    This is normal casual fan behavior. This is why itunes is reminding people who the hell this David Cook guy is. It isn’t to start fan wars. Itunes doesn’t care about fan wars. They include all of a few thousand people at the most generous estimate. Maybe.

    Oh, and yes RCA is desperate. So is Jive. So is the entire recording industry. Everyone is trying to figure out how to actually make money on music again. Do we go with itunes or not? Wal-Mart exclusive? Starbucks! Yeah, that’s the way to go. No, MySapce music. No one knows. For all Jordans success she is still not raking in the cash for herself or her label. I bet she is nowhere near paying back her advance.

  • CathyMK

    Apparently the Record companies have less control than we think, and I-Tunes appears to be in the drivers seat, with the record companies needing to make concessions.

    That’s an interesting article, Wordnerdarchie. So, we get an extra song and digital booklet with DC/DC, and David gets front page promotion. Seems like a win-win situation to me.

    The article does fail to mention that having exclusive content is an industry-wide practice these days. Walmart and Target in particular do it a lot. The down-side is that we consumers have to buy multiple copies to get all of the content available. The up-side is that there’s more content in the 1st place, which I’m all for!

  • http://www.myspace.com/swood1104 Sarah

    Thanks for that article, wordnerdarchie.

    So, that leads me to this thought process:

    - iTunes saw what kind of numbers David Cook brought in with his available weekly downloads during the AI season.
    - The label is trying to get front page placement for the single and album when they’re available for purchase, which sounds to be pretty standard for most major label artists.
    - As the iTunes and RCA “enter into discussions”, a few gives and takes are made – RCA gets front page placement and whatever other perks by giving iTunes a ‘pre-order exclusive’ track.

    And, maybe someone at iTunes just happens to also like DC. But honestly, I’m guessing it’s more about iTunes having already seen what kind of numbers DC can pull in. And wanting to continue to capitalize on that by having iTunes exclusives.

  • http://widyatarina.wordpress.com widz

    This is normal casual fan behavior. This is why itunes is reminding people who the hell this David Cook guy is. It isnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t to start fan wars. Itunes doesnà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t care about fan wars. They include all of a few thousand people at the most generous estimate. Maybe.

    I like your posts, Jlyn!

    I don’t really see what the problem was with the e-mail(no offence to people who sees it as a problem), it is true afterall that he won the Battle of the Davids and isn’t RCA/19/whoever allowed to use the fact that Cook won to promote his album ?

  • 123abc456

    It is weird that the majority of the posts on this thread have nothing to do with the headlines posted. I wanted to address the one about David Cook’s song about his brother, I found the article touching. I am thinking the song will be beautiful and heartfelt. I really am loving the snippets we are hearing about the record and am anxiously awaiting it because everything I read makes me want to listen to the album more.

  • jpfan

    Thanks for the link to that article about ITunes. Quite a fascinating read. So am I right that those big ads on iTunes are NOT paid for by the label but put up by iTunes itself often in exchange for exclusive material? Aren’t any of the ads on iTunes paid for by the label/artist? I thought for sure the label paid for some of that placement.

  • Michelle

    Jlyn and wordnerdarchie — thank you for the perspective and the verrry interesting article. Now I wonder if that’s how Target and Walmart get their exclusive tracks too? (Ad placement, in-store placement) Always something new to learn about the business!

    About whether Jordin and David will ever see any of the profits — I really truly hope that part of winning means that you are credited some towards the costs for your first album. Otherwise you might be better off finishing lower, leveraging the exposure and negotiating your own deal!

    eta: Cute “on the scene” article: EW at the filming of DC’s Light On video…featuring a pic of the band all together :)

  • Trina

    That’s interesting that he sang as opposed to lip syncing. At least his singing should look real in the video :) And why must Joey and Kyle be so pretty?

  • http://myspace.com/pm68 Pam

    Here are today’s top 40 station adds from All Access for Crush and LO.

    Crush

    WAKS-FM Cleveland (#28)
    WWHT-FM Syracuse (#82)

    LO

    KDWB-FM Minneapolis (#16)
    WRVW-FM Nashville (#44)
    KJYO-FM Oklahoma City (#48)
    WHTS-FM Grand Rapids (#67)
    WVYB-FM Daytona Beach (#85)
    KSAS-FM Boise, ID (#102)
    KSMB-FM Lafayette, LA (#104)
    WYOY-FM Jackson, MS (#120)
    WJIM-FM Lansing (#125)
    WIXX-FM Appleton, WI (#135)
    WXXX-FM Burlington, VT (#137)
    WSKS-FM Utica – Rome, NY (#162)

  • CathyMK

    So am I right that those big ads on iTunes are NOT paid for by the label but put up by iTunes itself often in exchange for exclusive material?

    That’s what the article says. Exclusive material would equal higher sales, which makes more $$ for both Apple and the record label/artist. It’s a mutually profitable arrangement. As Sarah pointed out, David Cook is already a proven seller and both RCA and iTunes would like that to continue. It’ll be interesting to see what deals are cut for David Archuleta, if any, and if DC will have different exclusives for other venders. I know the Jonas Brothers had different arrangements for exclusive content with both Target and iTunes for their new album, so a deal with one doesn’t exclude separate deals with others.

  • RV65

    (i) I dont find anything wrong with the context of the iTunes email; (ii) Archie’s Angels is fantastic; (iii) Happy for both Davids; and (iv) isnt there a law somewhere prohibiting a candidate from appearing in a TV program as a form of campaigning?….or is November 1 still campaign period? Sorry to ask, Im not familiar at all if there are any…(am i making sense? lol)

  • frogcooke

    Trina I dont think its that odd.. from what the actors in Archies said, he was singing crush along with the track even though his actual singing wouldnt be used…

  • http://www.myspace.com/gwendolyndiane GwendolynD

    isnt there a law somewhere prohibiting a candidate from appearing in a TV program as a form of campaigning?à ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦.or is November 1 still campaign period?

    Who’s campaigning on a TV program? If so, does that include talk shows – like Ellen, Leno, or Letterman?

    Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ll be interesting to see what deals are cut for David Archuleta, if any, and if DC will have different exclusives for other venders.

    Did I read somewhere that Archie would have a song available exclusively through Wal-Mart?

  • E

    Being a DA fan, it’s hard not to be put off by that email. Congrats to David Cook. I’ll consider it as a new way of promotion. have no doubt his album will sell like hot cakes. Whens Archie’s album going on preorder?

  • FolkFan

    Interesting article on itunes, wordnerdarchie. Definitely sounds like itunes is the big gorilla in the music scene. It also would not surprise me if itunes wrote up the blurb there. Plenty of outlets have seemed to think that there is some value in trying to stir up D2 fanwars, either to get more eyeballs onto internet posts or to sell music. Maybe if fans don’t buy into that mindset and instead just shrug their shoulders at it, outlets would stop doing that.

    RV65, there is no law banning candidates from appearing on a program. That’s why you’re able to see candidates on the various talk shows (Letterman, Daily Show, whatever). What networks cannot do is to refuse equal time to candidates—if NBC were to refuse to permit candidates from one party to appear on its shows but allow candidates from the other party to appear on its shows, that would be a violation of the law. (Note: I don’t know that a network is required to permit appearances of a candidate on the exact same show. I do think that the opportunities must be comparable. I also don’t know the circumstances when candidates other than Republicans or Democrats must be given equal opportunity.)

  • frogcooke

    Yeah Archie has an exclusive bonus track for walmart.

  • luckeee55

    I am happy for both Davids successes. The only problem I am having with RCA vs. Jive in terms of promotion is RCA seems to be spending a load of Cook’s money. Jive is being much more frugal with Archuleta. True, the RCA strategy could pay off in spades with huge sales, but look at Daughtry’s story. He apparently is still paying off RCA’s promo costs and he has 4x platinum sales. I am sure Cook’s video, for example cost 10x Archuleta’s. And the promo is costing Cook, even if it is just free dl’s of LO for purchasing the album in exchange for banner adds on itunes. This all adds up. Archie does not have to sell nearly as much to pay back Jive if the trend continues. Also a lot of Archie’s promos are paid appearances at Jingle Ball, etc courtesy of his management Azoff.

  • Jlyn

    luckee I don’t think any new artist can pay back the record label on their first album anymore. The sales are just not high enough for anyone. Even major names these days put out the album not so much to make money on the actual album, but to have material to tour on, where they will be able to make money. The purpose of the marketing of the first album (from the artist’s perspective) is to sell enough so that the record label thinks the artist is worth the bother of making a second album. Both Davids got advances. I doubt either one of them will see any more money from the label unless they have a second album that sells very well. They will tour, make paid appearances, and hopefully get endorsements to earn their income. Ironically, given the current discussion re the itunes email, I think these days the album itself has become a form of marketing for artists to actually make money in other ways.

  • luckeee55

    Jlyn, you are so right. Touring, merchandise sales and endorsements are about the only way to earn money these days. But Cook’s expensive promo by RCA may indicate that they expect huge, huge sales from him and if he doesn’t deliver, well they are not known for their patience. He, being the winner of AI, and being given so much freedom with his album must deliver or else. Would not want that kind of pressure, IMHO.

  • cookcricket

    I’m sorry, but I can’t help but think that DA fans being put off by the itunes email are still holding a sore spot for DA not winning. The fact is, DC won fair and square. It was a competition and the competitive show continues yr after yr.

    DA is going to do (and is doing) awesome in the music industry and really this is the bottom line.

    Too bad the info was posted here, but it was and so I’m responding to it.

    I’m so glad that DC and DA are able to be such great (seemingly) friends!

  • Nattevakt

    I don’t understand that “paying back for the promo” thing??? Aren’t the labels/managment getting their cut out of the album’s sales because of this jobb precisely? Or are the artists hiring/paying the labels to promote them, while getting all the incomes from the albums (minus the making costs and royalties to the songwriters)? I think it will be pretty interesting if someone could explain that to me :)

  • ozarka

    LO went from #78 a couple of hours ago to #49 currently at iTunes! That’s a huge leap! Go David!!

  • jpfan

    I’m no expert but I’m pretty sure if the artist owes the label money, they just take it from the profits on the second album. So it’s possible to put out more than one album and still be in recoupment. I also remember rumors that the contracts this year were very tough for the Idol contestants. Labels now wants more of the touring/merchandise $ as well.

    Where are peole getting the info that Daughtry owes $ to his label? If an artist who sells 4 million plus albums is in debt to the label, the music biz really is in the toilet.

  • Trina

    I know artists make most of their money from touring and endorsements so how would David’s Skechers deal work out in terms of money? I remember him saying over the summer he had a deal with Gibson guitars too. Like how much of that does Simon Fuller/19 get?

    I don’t know if my itunes is messed up but I’m seeing the album at #4 :ohmy_tb: but both feeds I check are showing 6.

  • Jlyn

    jpfan, sorry if I wasn’t clear when I mentioned the second album actually paying out. I said a second album that sells really well to imply that it they would probably need two albums that sold well to pay back the label completely. As for Daughty, I don’t know anything, but it wouldn’t surprise me. Think about how many of those albums sold for $7.99. The retailer keeps a third, so the label, is receiving just over 5 whole dollars to start dividing up to the artist, songwriters, producers, and of course themselves. What do new artists make 5% or so? (Although Daughtry would get a bit more for songwriting royalties.)* So thats $.25 per ablum. Even x 4 million that gives Daughtry $5-8 million to pay his band, 19M, and the label back. I would actually be more surprised if he had managed to pay everyone back by now with just sales.

    *Tangentially, I read recently (and can’t find the article right now) that songwriting singers don’t get fully paid for the songs if they are the performers. For instance if the performer gets 5% and the songwriters gets 3% a singer/songwriters does not get 8%, but more like 6.5%. How that is fair I don’t know.

  • ozarka

    I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know if my itunes is messed up but Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m seeing the album at #4 but both feeds I check are showing 6.

    Mine is the same way. From what Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢ve read in previous threads, the home page has the more accurate pecking order. The rankings page is not updated as frequently.

  • mac

    I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know if my itunes is messed up but Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m seeing the album at #4

    My iTunes is showing that also! :ohmy_tb:

  • Aileen

    Trina, according to the latest RSS feeds, LO is #28 and DC’s album is #4 overall and #2 on Pop.

  • tinawina

    My guess is RCA is putting money behind David Cook because they believe in the project. They know his sales figures from his Idol run, and they see what happened with TOML, PLUS, they’ve heard the album.

    I didn’t take the wording of that email as a slap to Archie. I didn’t even think about Archie when I read it in fact. But, to each his own.

    Nobody cares about fanwars but us. I don’t think whoever wrote it did it on purpose.

  • http://www.myspace.com/gwendolyndiane GwendolynD

    LO is #28 and DCà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s album is #4 overall and #2 on Pop.

    Well…he passed TI, finally. Don’t know how significant that is. Noticing the HSM album at #1. That’s another formidable one. :laugh_tb: This, actually, is pretty dang awesome.

  • http://widyatarina.wordpress.com widz

    I think if the rumors get out that Obama may appear, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s even more exposure for Cook. That said, I donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t think his appearance means heà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s endorsing anyone. I agreeà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦ for the Idols right now, ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s best to be neutral.

    LOL, I’m not even counting HSM now..let’s just think David as being #3 :P

  • http://widyatarina.wordpress.com widz

    ^ I quoted the wrong comment. Meant to quote Gwen’s comment and now I can’t edit my previous comment haha

    was going to quote this:

    Wellà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬ ¦he passed TI, finally. Donà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t know how significant that is. Noticing the HSM album at #1. Thatà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s another formidable one. This, actually, is pretty dang awesome.

  • E

    “Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m sorry, but I canà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢t help but think that DA fans being put off by the itunes email are still holding a sore spot for DA not winning. The fact is, DC won
    fair and square. It was a competition and the competitive show continues yr after yr.”

    nope. I’m glad he did not win :D

  • cookcricket

    Thanks E. So I take it you’re not one of those being put off by the itunes email…;). This is the only reason I would see someone being put off by them, but well, I could be wrong and if so I guess I want to understand…

  • ianamy

    It’s not about David should have won. It’s about a record company targeting another artist and slighting him in an advertisement they paid for.

    From that email I’d think the sole purpose of Cook’s album is to prove viewers “made the right choice.” What about his music? Outselling the runner up should be a given for winners. It shouldn’t be so hard, and so desperate to do. Cook should distance himself from this email one way or another if he wants his music being taken seriously. The competition ended long ago. Just move on already, RCA. Remember Daughtry wasn’t “viewer’s choice” at all?

  • cookcricket

    Oh yeah, and once again I truly believe the bottom line is their success in the music industry. And by success, I don’t mean always being #!, or beating one another out, esp. since they are in two completely different genres, but I mean earning their living doing what they love to do.

  • Jlyn

    To say that another record company is “targeting” DA from that email is IMO ridiculous and taking this shit way too seriously. This was an email that was probably composed by an itunes marketing intern for crying out loud. These emails aren’t targeting the rabid fans who get off on the fan wars. I’m going to guess those folks already have their orders in. This is targeting the people can barely remember which David is which.

    You know reading these types of threads reminds me of my husband watching the superbowl. He is a lifelong Oakland Raiders fan, as such he hates the Patriots. (Sorry MJ.) When the Pats lost he was ecstatic. I told him that I thought he was happier with the Patriots going to the Superbowl and losing than he would have been if Oakland been there and won. He laughed and admitted I was probably right. Sometimes I think AI fandom is football for chicks.

  • cookcricket

    Oh I think I understand now. However, I don’t think DA’s music can be underminded in his genre.

    They are selling to different audiences, I think, and so why shouldn’t a record company (if they WERE the ones to put it out there) capatilize on someone winning a competition.

    As Jlyn said, people are forgetful. It’s a fact of life. So maybe this email will reach those who forgot all about AI and help some folks out there to enjoy music they may have otherwise missed.

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s not about David should have won. Ità ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s about a record company targeting another artist and slighting him in an advertisement they paid for.

    Those deeply entrenched in the Idol bubble need to read Jlyn’s posts. She adds some much needed perspective from the outside. She makes a great point, which is that your average record buyer can barely remember either David after 5 months.

    Ah, cooler heads. Thank you for prevailing! :)

    ETA: jlyn is back. I spoke too soon…

    Sometimes I think AI fandom is football for chicks.

    Bingo.

  • http://myspace.com/saltwatercures pj

    Sometimes I think AI fandom is football for chicks.

    Hell no. Roll Tide! :)

    ETA: For some chicks, it’s an extension of football.

  • Jlyn

    Ah thanks MJ. I just want to add a quick thanks to you for your great (and sane) site. Your place is a great place to go for this periodically homesick American expat to get a dose of American pop culture.

  • cookcricket

    LOL! Idol fandom football for chicks! I love it! What a great link/bridge to understanding my hubby’s love for the sport(s). :exclaim_ee: :hmm2_ee: I just like that last “smiley. :)

  • elisad

    LOL, Ià ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢m not even counting HSM now.

    HAHA, you’re funny.

    I see Idol fandom as politics for…people who don’t care much about politics.(Because for those who do, like me, the campaign has been too fascinating. I don’t care much about Idol right now.)

  • RV65

    “Whoà ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã¢â€ž ¢s campaigning on a TV program? If so, does that include talk shows – like Ellen, Leno, or Letterman?”

    Gwendolyn what I meant was, would Obama’s merre appearance not be construed as a form of campaigning (Im assuming though that there is a law prohibiting the same…and i do not know that) anyway this seems OT already…thanks for the inputs guys}

  • http://myspace.com/girlgeek mj

    Reminder:

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  • RV65

    Great jump for LO on iTunes…Soundscene I know youre knowledgeable on this…so if I pre-order DC’s album through iTunes, I get LO for free (automatic download according to the flyer)…is that free download counted by iTunes as a sale? Can a pre-order be canceled? if so if I have pre-ordered and got LO as a free download, what happens if I cancel my pre-order…the freebie remains counted as a sale?…

    oh btw…the reason i asked is because i cannot pre-order from where i am…do you have to pre-pay as well if you pre-order? i would think that if you have to pre-pay and you cancel the pre-order the 99 cents for the free single will still be charged…so that would be a legitimate sale…

    did i just answer my own question? lol

  • elisad

    ^Pre-order is just like buying a single then “complete the album” later, except there will be an email reminding you to download the album when it’s available, with the extra pro-order bonus track. You will be charged for the single immediately(if there isn’t any glitch), and the pre-order can be cancelled anytime before the release date. You will be charged for the rest of the album(usual price – 0.99) after it’s downloaded.

  • frogcooke

    SAles numbers for this week:

    (lw)(tw)
    15 16 ARCHULETA*DAVID CRUSH 56216 -7 60490 750012
    26 32 SPARKS*JORDIN ONE STEP AT A TIME 38527 -10 42725 871108
    49 61 HUDSON*JENNIFER SPOTLIGHT 19447 -22 25017 221561
    73 69 DAUGHTRY WHAT ABOUT NOW 16751 -2 17091 426114
    43 77 COOK*DAVID LIGHT ON 15083 -51 30966 155084
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    AI before recurrents removed:

    No. 11 – Jennifer Hudson ( 1.6 million)
    No. 36 – Daughtry (-1.7 million)
    No. 43 – David Archuleta ( 0.2 million)
    No. 556 – David Cook ( 1.6 million)

    On R&B airplay, Jennifer is No. 1