Monday Morning Mediabase Update – Up Until Midnight 11/01/09
Carrie Underwood is currently sitting at 3 on the Country chart with the two songs in front of her losings spins. Will she get yet another number 1 song next week, or will Lady Antebellum nip by her? Meanwhile, Kellie Pickler now has herself another Top 30 Country song. Kelly Clarkson has a single that’s currently charting Top 10 in 2 formats and Top 20 in three formats. Kris Allen moves in to the top 30 of HAC and edges closer to the Top 40 on Pop. Cook’s “Come Back To Me” has gone re-current.
Watch for Adam’s FYE going for adds this week!
Here are your Monday Morning Mediabase Updates for airplay as of midnight of 11/01/09 after the jump.
Note: AllAccess has been slow lately on updating the charts so this is a mix of charts. The data for the Top 40 are up until midnight Sunday. Rankings for top 41-50 and CAC are from midnight Saturday.
Brooke White:
“Radio Radio”: 49 AC (48)
Carrie Underwood:
“Cowboy Casanova” : ^3 Country (5)
Daughtry:
“No Surprise”: 5 HAC (4), ^9 AC (9)
Elliott Yamin:
“Can’t Keep on Loving…”: 43 AC (43)
Jordin Sparks:
“Battlefield”: ^17 AC (20), 35 HAC (24)
“S.O.S. (Let the Music…)”: ^35 Pop (41)
Katharine McPhee:
“Had it All” : ^32 AC (39)
Kellie Pickler:
“Didn’t You Know How…”: ^30 Country (32)
Kelly Clarkson:
“Already Gone”: ^4 HAC (6), ^9 Pop (10), ^20 AC (21)
Kris Allen:
“Live Like We Are Dying”: ^26 HAC (32), ^43 Pop (49)
Mandisa:
“He is With You”: ^21 CAC (21)
Phil Stacey:
“You’re Not Shaken”: 18 CAC (15)
Ruben Studdard:
“Don’t Make ‘Em Like…”: ^25 UAC (26)
Note: Numbers indicate position on the chart while numbers in brackets indicate the position on the chart the previous
Upcoming Add Dates:
Pop:
Nov 3: Adam Lambert: “For Your Entertainment”
Nov 10: Jason Castro: “Let’s Just Fall in Love”
Nov 10: Daughtry: “Life After You”
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“I am going to do the music that I like. I hope people like it. If they don’t, that’s OK, too.” – Kris Allen
LLWD currently at iTunes #39 on pop and #108 on overall singles!
TFM at #54 and #144 respectively. I’m sure FYE will do a ton better tomorrow.
“That wasn’t the case for Light On either, and David Cook was an Idol winner who (unlike Kris) already had a successful radio single under his belt with TOML.”
I am glad someone brought this up. Kris is really starting way back of any other idol winner. NB was not well received (it sucked) and dropped from the tour. It was not promoted after it was dropped and now it is not on his album. Kris did not have a bridge between the show and his album and no chance to add additional fans outside the AI bubble with an original song. Kris starting out slow is no suprise to me, he has to rebuild his base from the ground up.
“That wasn’t the case for Light On either, and David Cook was an Idol winner who (unlike Kris) already had a successful radio single under his belt with TOML.”
I am glad someone brought this up. Kris is really starting way back of any other idol winner. NB was not well received (it sucked) and dropped from the tour. It was not promoted after it was dropped and now it is not on his album. Kris did not have a bridge between the show and his album and no chance to add additional fans outside the AI bubble with an original song. Kris starting out slow is no suprise to me, he has to rebuild his base from the ground up.
ITA-instead of people thinking of Adam and Kris as “co-winners,” perhaps they should be thought of as “co-runnerups” in regards to the launch of their post Idol career. TOML was so popular that people were ready to give Cook another listen when LO came out. One of the benefits of winning AI is to launch your “first” single on national TV with millions of viewers. Kris got stuck with a lemon and I guess there was no making lemonade out of that song.
Hm, since Jive knew this about NoBo, why was it that they waited SO long to release Kris’s first major label single? Jordin’s coronation song did not get heavy radio play either. What was smart of Jive was to release her first single when her AI coronation song was going declining in spins. Jordin’s Tatoo dropped in August 2007. She had time to gain some traction and her single got great play on CHR. Why did Jive wait so long for Kris? There was nothing on radio for either Kris or Adam all summer. Archie had all of August and September to get radio play last year. It’s thoroughly confusing to me why they waited so long for LLWD.
Idol comparisons are inevitable, regardless of whether they make sense or not, in terms of genre, timeframe, etc. Just to add some additional fun to the comparisons: the radio format charts are not static. To give an example:
On 11/2/2008, LO had 937 published CHR spins, but it was only good enough for #44 on the chart, because at that time, #40 on the chart had 1095 spins.
On today’s 11/2/2009 chart, 937 spins would be enough for #42 on the chart and would be very close to breaking into the top 40, as #40 on today’s chart has 957 spins.
By 11/4, LO had broken the 1000 spin-mark, but it did not make the top 40 until 11/10 because of that high threshold for the top 40 at that time.
On a similar note, CBTM’s peak spins on HAC were similar to LO’s, but LO outcharted CBTM because the HAC chart had stronger performing songs when CBTM was in the top 10 than when LO was in the top 10.
So… you can compare different songs’ chart placements, but the comparisons can be flawed in a number of ways.
ETA: To me, the concerns about SOS are less about how well it is doing on radio relative to other Idols (or artists in general), and more about the fact that, if Jordin can’t sell albums better than she has been doing, then she needs to sell lots of singles. To date, SOS has not been selling the album, and it isn’t selling itself. Given Jordin’s particular situation, SOS is not doing as well as it needs to do. I don’t like the song much, but for her sake, I hope that it starts to sell better.
I don’t think this is the case. TOML’s radio success was far more the exception than the rule for Idol coronation singles. Kelly’s AMLT is really the only one other than Cook’s that had a sustained presence up to the release of a subsequent single. This graph has not been updated with chart positions for Kris’s NB, but compare the Hot 100 trajectory of all the other singles against AMLT and TOML. None of the other coronation songs can really be considered hits, and Kris’s line would look pretty much the same as Jordin’s, Carrie’s, Fantasia’s, etc.
And I would agree that having a hit or two under your belt and thus being a proven “name” on radio can help garner airplay. But I think you can also make an argument that a song like LO was slower to take off than it might have otherwise (and was much-maligned for it) due to the fact that TOML was still charting and getting significant spins on three formats when the new single was released. So not having NB “in the way” could end up being a boon for LLWD. (Shrug?). I still think it’s way too early to make a call either way, but I would say I’m very optimistic about the song’s chances, especially on Adult Top 40, per tinawina’s great posts above. I think it’s a solid single and it’s going to do its job for Kris.
I agree, LadyM. Regarding the Rainbow’s effect on things, I’ve been looking back at LO’s numbers from last year, and it was very slow to start up on HAC—even though HAC ultimately adopted it wholeheartedly, and to this day, it routinely drops down 90-100 spins a day on that format. You can actually see exactly when LO started to take off on HAC—that would be when Magic Rainbow dropped out of the top ten on HAC.
“Mgmt: Simon Fuller, Stirling McIlwaine/19 Ent.”
Holy shit! This makes me very happy. It reads exactly like Chris Daughtry’s management listing on his CD. Word for word. If this is correct then I’m feeling a bit more zen-like as far as Kris and 19 are concerend. Again cautiously optimistic.
On the 19 site, it shows Kris, Allison, David C. and Daughtry recording for and being managed by 19 Entertainment. Adam’s read much differently. Perhaps it hasn’t been updated or Adam has chosen different management.
edit: from 19R to 19E I find the alphabet soup very confusing. lol
evanjane, can you link me to the 19 site? Thanks.
Just one other item of interest, well, two: #1 I forgot Carrie Underwood is listed recording and managed by 19E, also. #2 What I found most interesting is Kelly Clarkson is no longer listed on the site. I know her manager is Reba’s husband, but she still should be under RCA/19 Recordings. Correct? I swore I saw her picture on the site not so long ago. I’m confused.
Well I agree it shouldn’t matter in comparing them to each other. I wish that would be all the way around, but I know that’s impossible. sigh. Concentrating on Kris, well I hope you’re right and that Jive sees that concentrating on HAC is where it’s at for him. Not sure if that’s how he describes himself, not sure if that’s where their strategy is really lying though. Isn’t Z100 a pop station? And not sure about the other Jingle balls and interviews, are aren’t they at Top 40, not HAC stations? could be totally wrong or it could be a mixture (hope so). But agreed that Kris should be marketed less towards Top 40 and more towards HAC. Will that happen? Not sure and if so? not sure why not.
Really late but Jive is working both Top 40 and HAC with Kris’s promotional events.
Very first event he did off the tour was the Boston radio event which was at a HAC event. Then he debuted his single at z100-top 40 and WPLJ-HAC. They gave him adds in three different formats, including Pop and HAC.
He’s been calling every HAC/Top 40 radio station for the past two weeks or so. The other day he did WDVD a huge HAC station in Detriot. Yesterday he called into WABB a Top 40 station.
His next big event this weekend is Live in the Vineyard which is sponsored by a slew of HAC stations all across the nation. These stations have been advertising the event (and Kris Allen attending) for months.
As for the Jingle Balls he is doing a mix of Top 40 and HAC. The ones in Chicago and Worcester are HAC.
HAC is called HAC for a reason. Lots of them lean CHR anyways and there are quite a few artists on HAC who can easily crossover into pop and vice versa. I see Kris doing very well on HAC but I also see him doing well in Pop. It would be stupid for Jive to ignore pop when he has a CD full of pop/rock songs. Last I heard, pop/rock still sells and does well on the pop charts.
I don’t think that tinawina is suggesting that Kris/Jive ignore (or are ignoring) pop. I think that she is suggesting that his core format will be HAC, with some songs crossing over to pop. Given how fickle CHR can be, and the fact that it specifically is less open to pop/rock in this era than it has been in past eras, having HAC as an alternative core format is a good thing.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-music&field-keywords=adam+lambert
FYE tracks are up on amazon UK and you can listen to snippets!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you VAlilac! And if anyone gives it a listen, we’re discussing the sound over in yesterday’s headlines thread until MJ puts a new thread up!
Vanjess38, sorry so late on this.
Here is the site: http://www.19.co.uk/
Sorry this is late. Overnight shows versus primetime shows. Exactly what it says, basically. The classic radio model is to try out songs in the lower rated hours – overnight – and then move them to the prime time shows if they get traction – morning and afternoon drive time. Clear Channel stations have a slightly different model, but some (many?) non Clear Channel stations still do this. KRBE, a top 10 top 40 station in Houston moved Live Like We’re Dying recently, according to another poster.
Also, my name is Erinn. No biggie, but for future reference.
Well, said, SpenserJ. Also…HI!!
I mostly agree with what you’re saying, tinawina, but not entirely. I do, however, very much agree with this statement! Different goals. Different approaches. No competition.