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Great post JoJosie I had no idea that had so much in common!
Also I know this can’t be right but when I see YMMV all I can think of is You Make Me Vomit.
Sorry they had so much in common
im not sure where to post this but this is the closing group number (don’t stop the music):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFQP6Jvsl08
Thanks for these great pics MJ!
Ummm have you all seen the pic floating around of the two Davids doing handstands today? LOL I don’t know about those two.
I love the two David’s. Would love to see the picture of the handstands. Thanks for posting these pictures from the concert last night. Also, thanks to Mesmerized for the link to the final group song. I am so excited for all of Season 7s contestants and hope the tour is all they hope it will be. Judging from the cheering and audience response, last night’s show was a winner. Can’t wait until they come to Chicagoland.
Here is the handstand pic.
Thanks for that link Mesmerized! That is a fun group song!
ShariG, I just went and looked and Rickey posted it!
ETA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiisF8sTeYY
Video of the handstand! LOL
this is a video of cook filming the crowd:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmPUS1IzngA
there seemed to be someone holding a sign “i demand a recount” or something like that .. he responded to it with “me too for what its worth” which was great on his part .. the competition is OVER there is no need for these kinds of signs :/
Agree completely. That’s the part I hate most about AI - even when you’re successful and you win, there will always be a group of people resenting you and holding a grudge, simply because of the way the show is built - for one person to win, others have to lose. It’s a shame fans can’t just support and love their favorite, and feel the need to bash and discredit the FORMER competition.
It’s so obvious that Cook and Archie have a great relationship, and yet - you read the comments on that silly handstand video and you can only go “WTF?!”.
UMm… I think the “I demand a recount” sign is a joke!! It’s supposed to be…. FUNNY?!!!
wow….i’m impressed, lol, cook didn’t last as long as archie though, lol
If you haven’t seen it there’s a video on U-Tube of him in a high school version of Singing In The Rain where during the performance of Make Them Laugh, he does lots of antics and at the end not only stand on his hands but actually walks a little on his hands. The boy has moves I was surprised he could do.
Here is an interview that both Archie and Cookie did yesterday in Phoenix.
Idol One on One
Does anyone remember that Kimmel episode when he said that Archie looked like a Monchichi (sp?), those little monkey baby toys from the 80s?
His look here must be The Monchichi Creepy Vegas Edition.
That is a bad look, sorry. YMMV
Seriously? Oh, I forgot how many male fans contributed to the initial success of pop/rock artists like Bon Jovi, Nickelback and our very own Daughtry. I’m sorry, I couldn’t even keep a straight face while typing that. They may have gained some male fans along the way but I think we all know the majority of their fans are of the female persuasion. Certainly goes a long way toward explaining why singles from those artists sell more when marketed through pop and HAC. Why, you ask? Well, because most men listening to rock radio are not music buyers. They will go to a concert or buy an album after they have liked an artist for a long while (sometimes) but they make up a small minority of the music buying public. If you doubt this statement, take a look at the BB rock charts and compare to the Hot 100. You will find few, if any, similarities.
That having been said, my personal adoration of Mr. Cook began sight unseen. I wasn’t watching this season initially, until my local radio station played his Billie Jean the morning after that performance. The voice and the style are what hooked me, anything more than that is just icing on the cake. As far as any Taylor comparisons, I will grant that both men are great performers. The problem was that Taylor never had a commercial look or sound and radio was completely not receptive to him. Cookie does have a commercial look and sound and radio is apparently receptive to him, even with a coronation song. Apples and oranges, IMO. And, looking at RCA’s artist roster (complete with Foo Fighters, Daughtry, The Strokes and Velvet Revolver) they seem to be quite rock-friendly and Cookie fits right in.
But, on the subject of fans, I wonder what will happen to the Archie fans who are fans of his pretty ballads if he puts out a Disney type pop album? Will they go the way of Kat fans who wanted the performer they saw on the show and not the one that the record label tried to manufacture? Or, on the other hand, if he does make an album of what he does best, will the little Disney types who squeal because he’s cute (really?) and young buy it? We know that he can’t go the urban route; that would be absurd (he is no Timberlake and I giggle thinking of Archie bringing sexy back). And, looking at Jive’s artist roster, the only non-urban male solo artists are Nick Carter and Nick Lachey (former boy banders who have struggled with solo careers). Good luck Archie.
Yep, the Idol fan base is primarily women. Then, the idols move past that and get a more diverse fan base or they fail. In terms of music, that older fermale audience didn’t do much for Taylor in terms of sales. Cook will do much better no doubt. I just don’t think he’ll be selling millions of records based on “he’s so hot.” Or maybe he will.
Archie has his own problems.
NIckelback, Daughtry, Lifehouse and the other “rockers” out there have tons of male fans. And it’s much better to sell albums than singles. I don’t think Cook wants to start his rock career assuming men don’t buy music. That might be a mistake.
Unless you take a nationwide survey there’s no way of know exactly what kind of demographics someones fanbase consists of. Just because there aren’t men squeeling on message boards doesn’t mean they aren’t fans. Lots of boys my daughter goes to school with LOVED David and voted for him, one I just discovered the other day even has Billie Jean his ringtone. When David was interviewed on Ryan’s show two weeks ago some guy called up gushing all over him telling him how phenominal he was. There’s no way of knowing how many more like that guy is out there.
I don’t see anyone making fun of Archie personally or his actual looks, I see complaints about the horrible outfit he has to wear, which even some of his fans don’t like.
Archie’s fans are much more diverse and much more savvy than most people give them credit for. The “Disney” comments are not even a worry as that is as laughable as you say going the urban route is. The young girls who are squealing now are squealing for everything he’s done so far, so I don’t see a problem. If the album is less ‘ballad-y’ than some older fans like, they will stick with him anyway. Archie has a much broader appeal than Cook and a much longer career, because of his age and the changes he will go through along the way.
Huh? This theory doesn’t wash for me. I was in high school during Bon Jovi’s late 80’s heyday. They had a ton of male fans, and if the most recent concert I attended is any indication - they still do.
All of the Nickelback fans I know are men. And, my husband loves his Daughtry cd. I also attended one of Daughtry’s first concerts, and while there were plenty of fangirls in the room - there was also a respectable representation of men.
I guess maybe it’s a perception thing, but my perception is just the opposite. I think huge success usually requires both male and female fans. I also think the more you move away from the pop rock and into the harder stuff, the more the male fans outnumber the women.
I agree, and to take it further, the appeal has to go beyond looks and personality if the artist is going to have any sort of longevity in the business.
I’d love to know what you’re basing that assessment on (not fanwaring, actually curious). I’m refering more to the first part - How can you tell Archie has a “much broader appeal” without having some kind of survey in place? I just don’t get how anyone can do anything but guess at this point - we really don’t know what their albums are going to sound like, so how can we say who they will and will not appeal to?
I’m not that familiar with modern rockers but the ones I’ve seen aren’t particularly hot. I’m sure Cook has male fans but I’m mostly seeing the “thud” focus. Most guys don’t usually get off on that But I know a couple of male Idols who’ve had their careers hurt by overinvested female fans.
Archie has one fan who isn’t a teen. Barbara Cook(Bway legend) did a recent interview and raved about him. Archie has enough to deal with overcoming the curse of the runner up. So far only Clay has survived that one.
So I’ll stick with my comment, that the most male fans Cook gets the better off his career will be. :) I remember reading a comment about a guy at the Idol concert running back to his seat (and forgoing a beer) to hear Daughtry. When someone posts that about a Cook this tour, I’ll predict platinum plus sales.
LOL, I’m always amazed by the rock star hysteria that overtakes women and turns them into groupies for seriously fug dudes like Mick Jagger. In my early 20’s, I worked in an office building that housed the local rock station. On occasion, I would quite literally bump into some famous rockers on the way in or out. The one that sticks with me the most - was Aerosmith. Their collective fugness in real life nearly knocked me over. Yet, the hotest women in the world will have sex with them because they’re rock stahs!
But, on another note, I think the thudding is pretty harmless. I’m not typically a thudder (for instance, I can plainly see that my dearest beloved Billy Joel is kind of homely), but I totally understand how people can become overcome by such things. I don’t think it becomes troublesome until fans get, as you say, “over-invested” and defensive and protective and start pearl-clutching and mother-henning all over the land.